Bob Lazar seems to confirm Zecharia Sitchin

By the way, if any of you are willing to spend 2 hours watching this video, your time will be well-spent. If any of you still think Lazar is a total hoaxer, watch the video posted below. You'll hear from him about 20 minutes into the video. It's from the early 90s, but I've never seen it before. UFOTV gets their hands on some really good information.

I just finished watching the entire video and I'm more convinced now than ever before. It's definitely worth it and it's best to watch the whole thing instead of skipping through it.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
By the way, if any of you are willing to spend 2 hours watching this video, your time will be well-spent.

Boy that's an understatement! Great find Condemned0625!!! You can always tell when Nippon TV is town because John and Bob always put on their Sunday best for the interviews (thats why the interviewer is a little hard to understand.) They had asked Bob to come to Japan to be interviewed on TV, which he accepted, but he suddenly received a direct threat on his life via phone stating that if he went, he would never make it back. So they came over here instead and interviewed anybody connected with the case.
It gets even better - this is the only video outside of George Knapps' original News Broadcast (not available anywhere unless you have an original taped at home) on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas where the video from that fateful night when Bob took his friends out for a look is shown!! I can personally guarantee you: The footage shown here is 100% legit and was taken from the mailbox road area looking south. It is mounted on a tripod.

A few technical notes on the propulsion of the craft you are seeing here:

Note that the craft appears to be sort of "sparkling". I suggest you download this video to your hard drive and watch it frame by frame. You will then see that the light goes off then back on every other frame, which means it is strobing at 1/16th of a second.

The only reason the craft is registering on film at all here is because it is at extreme brightness for a short time at this point. 90% of the time during these test flights, the craft are the same brightness as the stars, and so do not register, as evidenced in this film. The odd thing is their brightness has nothing to do with their speed, which throws you off, since we are accustomed to seeing propulsion that gets brighter the faster it is going. These get brighter and dimmer during testing, with no correlation or connection to the speed of the maneuvers they are performing. They can go super fast either dim or bright, and can go slow or hover while being dim or bright.

The reason I know so much about it and can guarantee this footage is legit, is because the footage I took from the same place is exactly the same, strobing and all. A few displays of time distortion can also be seen. What is even more impressive are the moves performed while they are dim, visable only to the naked eye, not on film with the basically no Lux capability videocam recorders available to us back then. Basically the maneuvers involved:

Speeds of oh say, horizon to horizon in the blink of an eye! Hows that for starters. And being able to cut corners at this speed, even 90 degree ones, without slowing down! A stair-step maneuver of about 8 stairs at these speeds, (that you can hear Gene Huff raving about) also slow continuous gyrating figure 8 like moves (but more complex), they would then stop and pause for a while, then start a new pattern, as if they were trying out new buttons or controls each time. Sometimes 2 craft would hover next to each other, and somehow lock their navigation systems together and start performing the odd patterns in perfect tandem. Then after a while stop and unhook their navigation and go back to independent testing. All totally silent during the entire time (roughly 3 hours).

Now, back when all these interviews were broadcast and got world wide attention, if you did not get off your duff and go down there to have a look for yourselves... YOU BLEW IT!!!... BIG TIME!!!
For whatever reason (probably priority) they continued testing at this location for a full 2 years after Bob spilled the beans. And you could have seen it!! (If you used some common sense of course). The word was out, you could watch from public BLM land! However during this time they did illegally expand their security perimeter on those nights, stopping and confiscating film and equipment from anyone who entered the area. When you are out under the stars in the desert facing Cammo dudes with guns, what choice do you have? Highway 375 was not renamed "The ET Highway" until after this 2 year period, when testing was moved elsewhere.
The only reason I could think of as to why they come drifting up over the Papoose mountains over to the public mailbox road area to do their testing, was that in case there is an accident, they cant afford to have the explosion take out their irreplaceable stock of Extreme Advanced Technology.

reply to post by A51Watcher


You do realize that this whole "threat on his life" stuff is just him stirring up support, right?

I mean, think about it. So there's some people who tell him they'll kill him if he goes to Japan to have an interview...but then let him alone if the very same people interview him in the US?? That makes no sense whatsoever!!

Both Bob and Zecharia are shills...they're like the Hovind of alien conspiracies

Originally posted by Condemned0625
. There are grays that visit occasionally, they're from the Zeta Reticuli star system, they did genetically alter us 65 times (so far) and the government has been keeping this a secret since the 1940s.

Well its time they did it again methinks! I can compile a list of what needs altering if they are interested.

Interesting video, will have to find some time to check out other info available on the subject.

reply to post by A51Watcher


Yeah, I know. I know of other propulsion systems besides the one Lazar studied. You should read my thread (main thread) that's called "Predictive Dreams". There's a lot of useful information in my thread.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

You do realize that this whole "threat on his life" stuff is just him stirring up support, right?

And you would happen to KNOW this conclusively because??...

I mean, think about it.

Oh I see, because you "thought about it". I see.

So there's some people who tell him they'll kill him if he goes to Japan to have an interview...but then let him alone if the very same people interview him in the US?? That makes no sense whatsoever!!

Are your "think about it" skills so limited you can't imagine a scenario in which the stated threat happened? Are blackboards available here? You need me to draw a picture for you?

Trolling with limited knowledge of subject matter with only "shill" as a vague charge won't get you many sparks.

reply to post by LiberLegit


Hi LiberLegit,
answer to your question re: Close Encounters;

Gosford NSW multiple witness UFO sightings Dec 30/31 1995, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I had to report that back to CDSCC Canberra, this was during Desert Storm #1 time period. Hence the milpol escorts at the time to and from my office. We were on the 2nd highest security level alert at that time, so I performed my duty using internal channels. I can only provide factual evidence with no subjective comments, nor names.

What you read from the above link is what I reported in an official capacity, except for the orb skipping down the Lane Cove River. I kept that under my belt for a while, but did tell my "army intel baby sitter" about the contrail movements I saw early last year. no explanation, just observational anaylsis.

I don't know why tachyon communications are hidden, but current science has made "transport" of data in a simlar manner as StarTrek, eg;

Just Google "tachyon bound particle transportation verification" for "Faster than Light applications"

"They" don't like complex things explined simply, hence the scrubbing of data, I even had warnings from the ATS moderators for breaching policy, I asked them to specifically point out the breaches but there was no comeback. Usual claptrap. I must have jumped the gun.

HADES

reply to post by Condemned0625


Howdy, the following informatio is for yourself and A51Wathcer

Tachyon bound particle transportation verification;

www.worldnpa.org...

Extract

ABSTRACT
Previously, based on the law of energy conservation, we figured out that, the steady state electronic motion around a given nucleus generally depicts a rest mass variation throughout, though the overall relativistic energy remains constant. Consider for instance, the simple case of the electron in a stationary elliptic motion around the proton. Thus, according to our approach, an infinitesimal portion of the rest mass of the electron is transformed into extra kinetic energy, as the electron moves toward the proton, and an infinitesimal portion of the kinetic energy of it is transformed into “extra rest mass” as it slows down away from the proton. Note that our approach is, in no way, conflicting with the usual quantum mechanical approach. Quite on the contrary it provides us with the possibility of elucidating the “quantum mechanical weirdness”. It requires, though, the revision of the concept of field, which cannot in anyway be determined without the concept of force. Our approach is, solely based on the factual concept of force and the related concept of energy. This makes that it is more natural than the standard approach, based on the concept of field. Thus, regarding a bound electron for instance, it is not the “field energy” that we decrease, but the “electron’s internal energy”, or the same the “electron’s rest mass”.
We happened to develop our theory originally vis-à-vis gravitational bodies in motion with regards to each other; hence, it is comforting to have both the atomic scale and the celestial scale described on just the same conceptual basis"

End Quote;

Sorry for the heavy duty stuff, goes for 44 pages, just want to back up what I know with facts.

Blame the dreams

HADES

reply to post by A51Watcher

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and "minutiae" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

From 25 rules of Disinformation

Oftentimes people who are sincere but skeptical by nature will come on a forum like this and parrot the activities and statements of paid disinformation agents.

I would suggest to the person to whom you were replying that they recognise that methods of reply which follow such patterns will be called out time after time, and as you so rightly highlighted:

won't get you many sparks

At least, not from the awakening ones at ATS. The disinformation agents (few that they actually are) will likely have a snicker as they slurp their coffee at their desks in their operations command centre.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by LiberLegit

 

I don't see any reason for him to lie about it. What reason would there be? Of course things are kept in secret and of course the public is not actually ready for this kind of technology yet. Most people are too ignorant of what happens behind closed doors, so I actually agree with the government on the premise that the ignorant don't deserve to know.

Don't people have deficiencies where they just lie and make stuff up? I mean, that is all I can think of. The dude doesn't seem to be selling anything, posts pretty informatively, and presents some mind-opening concepts. I will remain skeptical for now though.

I do agree with you though, people really haven't earned the right to know any of this stuff yet (assuming it be true.) Regardless, I continually see society live in robot mode on a constant basis, concerned with the pointless and ignorant of the truth. Whatever the "truth" may be, it certainly is completely different from what man commonly believes it is now.

Maxwell, I read that thread related to the UFO crash. Very interesting stuff. I can't but help be curious how your employers discovered you had this ability, did you apply for these jobs and show work you have done? As for the link you posted for condemned and area51 dude, this seems like the type of information which would be censored according to you.

Hence, we can well establish that, the superluminal interaction speed u (with respect to the object in question), varies between ∞ (for the object of concern, at rest), and (for the object moving with the speed of light). As tautological as it may seem, this yields the fact that, light cannot interact with anything, via a speed above the speed of light (since its “superluminal jet speed” is, at best, ).

Entertaining the thought of particles achieving FTL speeds based on mass conservation and energy release/retreival and space-time manipulation (adding factors like rotational spin of large masses causing counter-rotation of space-time fabric, etc.) It is interesting to deduce from this paper that mathematically you can create a link correlating existing particles with behavioral characteristics that could make Tachyons a possibility. Definately a stretch, but that goes without saying. Very cool stuff, but I still can't shake this science-fictiony feeling I get from all of it that leads me to not believe it. Either way, fascinating stuff.

reply to post by A51Watcher


So instead of refuting what I said you choose ad hominem attacks? You do realize that you can't hurt people through words on a forum, right?

Look, it makes no sense for anyone to forbid him to have an interview in Japan (at threat of killing him), but then letting it all happen in the US. NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!!

Get a book about micro-expressions and body language...then rewatch this video. The amount of times where the "LIE SIGNS" go off is astounding. For startes, look how often Bob looks to the top left from our perspective while pretending to recall stuff...that's a sign he's CONSTRUCTING what he's saying rather than RECALLING it. It's a very clear sign someone's lying.

But keep on believing in fairy tales Or call me a government disinfo agent if you want and if you're paranoid enough...

reply to post by MrXYZ


I feel like if the dude were really good at what he does, he would already know what to say to questions that he assumes he will be asked. Maybe there are strands of credibility to some of his statements, I mean the best lies are definately ones mixed with a bit of truth. The fact that he can just toss this stuff up out of nowhere is pretty difficult. As far as the mannerisms, I find myself doing that with my eyes when i'm lying or just simply trying to remember something. Definately something you can't draw a conclusion on. I mean come on, this isn't that portion of the O'Reilly Factor where they have the body language lady come in hah. Either way, I can definately see where you're coming from, this stuff sounds simply ridiculous. It's best to just entertain the thought, and not directly accept it. Didn't he take a lie detector test or something?

reply to post by LiberLegit


That's exactly it...they mix in some truths, and then add a ridiculous amount of speculation or lies. Anyone who's ever taken a body language course or professional lie detection course (awesome for business people btw, helped me a ton in negotiations) can see that they're pulling stuff from their ass...

Again, I'm not saying everything they say is a lie...but there's too many things obviously wrong (such as the claimed MIT education) and the body language that make it very clear that they aren't honest.

Of course some hardcore believers will attack me now, just like religious believers will when you attack their BELIEF that isn't backed up by evidence...so got my flame suit handy. Some people can't deal with reality

As for lie detector tests, you can learn quite easily to cope with them. We had one in the army and they let us test it...I successfully managed to convince that machine my name is "Martin" and that I'm 55 years old...I was 19 at the time

Another sign is that they relate to Sitchin...and anyone with a science background who ever read that shill's work knows he's a liar and pseudo-scientist

reply to post by MrXYZ


You are talking fallaciously and dressing it up as an irrefutable truth.

The 'signs of lying' (let me guess, you enjoyed that show "Lie to Me") are not useful at all in many situations. Polygraphs similarly are of little use when dealing with a professional liar. If Bob Lazar has really been lying regarding the issues raised in the video, chances are that he wouldn't be 'making it up as he goes along'. Let me quote the following, from a well-balanced source:

In fact, the nonverbal cues that have been identified vary widely from person-to-person, situation-to-situation, and the nature of the lie being told (see, Ebesu and Miller, Buller, Burgoon, Buslig and Roiger, Buller, Burgoon, White, and Ebesu; Burgoon, Buller, Ebesu, White and Rockwell).

So, in any given situation anything might happen, and the nonverbal cues that have been found ONLY emerge when looking at group averages.

Long story short, because only small statistical differences in detection cues have been discovered. It is very difficult to identify group members (liars versus truth-tellers) based on the cues that have been identified.

Most people, however, do not believe this claim.

Most people believe that nonverbal behavior can be used to detect deception. But, all the research shows that people no better than "flipping a coin" when trying to detect deception, especially when it comes to love and romance (see, Miller and Stiff).

The nonverbal cues that have been identified are not useful because truth-tellers and liars are more similar in their behavior than they are different. And there are many reasons why the nonverbal differences identified are so small and of little practical use (see, Fielder and Walka, McCornack).

Taking all of the above into account, it is entirely unreasonable to suggest that any 'nonverbal clues' displayed by Lazar are definitive evidence that he is lying.

There is always the chance that he is a consummate professional liar, but given the stacks of evidence alongside his, I would suggest that it is at least 'highly possible' that he is telling the truth. The other problem is that even dishonest people, or those prone to exaggeration, can come into contact with amazing things. Learning not to throw the baby out with the bathwater is key in this type of field of study.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


What makes you believe what he claims is "highly possible"??? He hasn't provided the slightest bit of evidence other than his word for crying out loud...and we all know in science human witness testimony is the LOWEST form of evidence. Especially if it comes from a man who obviously lied about his educational credentials

As for constructing pictures in his head when making claims, even if he made up the story beforehand, his brain still has to "construct a coherent picture" before he's able to tell you about it...if he had really seen those things, he could just recall them, but he's obviously not. Of course the body language alone isn't proof enough to say he's lying, but together with his wrong educational credentials, and hilarious stuff like him claiming he was threatened to be killed if he did an interview in Japan, but it's fine in the US, it's pretty clear that at best, he's highly questionable as a source of information.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Haha, that's funny. I heard it is very possible to trick a lie detector, maybe that's why they aren't admissable in court. Anyways yeah, I read over the Bob Lazar timeline. Dude had some crazy financial issues, and barely attended any of the places he says he did. I guess the fall-back is something along the lines of "the government fudged his papers" or whatever.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

So instead of refuting what I said you choose ad hominem attacks? You do realize that you can't hurt people through words on a forum, right?

I did refute what you said, line by line no less. If sarcasm blinds you as to the point being made, I can't help you.
Now, lets hear some facts (with evidence) about what Lazar and Sitchin are "shills" for? That IS what you stated in your post, so if you are not a hit and run poster, lets hear it.

Originally posted by A51Watcher

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

So instead of refuting what I said you choose ad hominem attacks? You do realize that you can't hurt people through words on a forum, right?

I did refute what you said, line by line no less. If sarcasm blinds you as to the point being made, I can't help you.
Now, lets hear some facts (with evidence) about what Lazar and Sitchin are "shills" for? That IS what you stated in your post, so if you are not a hit and run poster, lets hear it.

You refuted nothing, lol...you only attacked me personally. Look, the sign language confirms they're lying...if you don't trust that, fine. You also have the incorrect educational credentials, and several statements of theirs that are just plain ridiculous. I mean, comon...you're trusting a guy who obviously lied about his entire education just to seem more credible. Quite sad really...

Continue believing in your fairy tale...

Originally posted by A51Watcher

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

So instead of refuting what I said you choose ad hominem attacks? You do realize that you can't hurt people through words on a forum, right?

I did refute what you said, line by line no less. If sarcasm blinds you as to the point being made, I can't help you.
Now, lets hear some facts (with evidence) about what Lazar and Sitchin are "shills" for? That IS what you stated in your post, so if you are not a hit and run poster, lets hear it.

Dude, this entire thread is stuffed with evidence against Lazar, and very little for him. Take a look at the timeline, I think it was posted 2 pages ago or so. That thing is a serious blow against him. As for Sitchin, his translations are goofy as hell man, but I'm not saying that makes him some type of shill, it just means that I disagree with the way he interprets information. Sitchin definately isn't a "hoaxer" or anything, but Lazar, well, that's a different story.