Israel preparing for 'large scale war': cable Jan 2 09:20 AM US/Eastern

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


What??? I'm not trying to control anyone, I just don't want my son seeing grotesque images, I don't expect them on here, so i don't feel the need to be cautious, most people have the decency to forewarn. You can make your point without subjecting people to sick photos of dead babies when they, or their family, may not want to see them.

And FYI I have a 23" monitor at the end of the sofa which is positioned so ANYBODY in the room can see it, and I can sit back in comfort, no need to look over shoulders, handy for playing videos to people or multiplayer games.

EDIT: Do the right thing, go and remove the image, link to it, and put a warning about what it is.

reply to post by woogleuk


Ok and I removed the large photo as courtesy. Removing anymore would be censorship and an insult to the memory of victims of the zionist state.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Didn't that war start because Hezbollah attacked a convoy and kidnapped 2 soldiers after a long quiet period?

And as for this war you're reporting- Israel isn't planning on attacking the PA or the West Bank, are they? What does that tell you?

reply to post by Eliad


Bottom line here... Does it matter who started it at this point?
1.Isreal claims that it has had right to the land in question for thousands of years.
2.The Palestinians claim that it has been their land for thousands of years.
3.There is no end to this dispute. In the forseable future.
Isreal has defended it's borders with the force with which it has in it's arsenal.
Lebanon is still accepting rockets for "defensive" purposes and allowing know terrorist groups to operate within it's own government.
Let's look at this from another perspective.
Mexican drug cartels start bombing across the border in San Diego beacuse hundreds of years ago this use to be Mexican territory and they "feel" as if the U.S. has not been around long enough or use terrioristic tactics to oust the good people of Mexico back across the border.
Hatfields and McCoys anyone?
Do you see where this is going?
Does it matter who started it?
It matters how it ends.
Oh! and OP.... Pics of dead babies arfe propaganda ment to terrorise and shock our brains. I'm sure there are just as compeling and shocking photos from the other side as well.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by woogleuk

 

Ok and I removed the large photo as courtesy. Removing anymore would be censorship and an insult to the memory of victims of the zionist state.

Those are bad pictures. Have a look at them again. This is what you get when you attack convoys and kidnap people. If your beloved Lebanon does it again, I hope the destruction is 100x worse. The state of Israel has every right to exist and I will always support it in it's struggle for survival against it's backwards, cultist neighbours.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Don't waste your time. These threads are started all the time by Jew hating Muslims and their allies in an attempt to smear and distort Israel and its people. They are constantly twisting facts and providing mis-information from sites like PressTV, the Iranian State Sponsored propaganda agency.

Israelis, and all reasonable people who support democracy and the State of Israel's right to exist will never persuade the Jew hating Muslims and their National Socialist friends that Israel has the right to exist.

Note: I'm not generalizing. Many Muslims, most notably, most Muslim Heads of State like those from UAE and Turkey secretly like Israel, but they need to cow to the voice of their street and the more radical contingents in their countries. People need to get over it. If Palestinians, the Lebanese and Iranians (to name a few) stopped threatening Israel there would be no war in the Middle East.

reply to post by ScepticalBeliever


Only problem is, your siting Irgun, and yes they were founded back in early 1900's, but when the First World War ended, discussions commenced on the future of Palestine and the region as a whole. On April 19, 1920, the Allies (Britain, France, Italy and Greece, Japan and Belgium) convened at San Remo in Italy to discuss a peace treaty with Turkey. It was decided at that conference to assign to Great Britain the mandate over Palestine on both sides of the Jordan and the responsibility for putting the Balfour Declaration into effect. While the conference was in session, the Arabs launched violent action to foil its implementation.

The first Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover (April) 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction, and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Eretz Israel (Palestine) were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which in 1929 became the Jewish Agency). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze'ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defence. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky established the Haganah (self-defence) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack.

Key word: Jewish self defense.

It goes on further to suggest the wrong doing's of the allies of the 1940's.

In 1943, it was already clear that the victory of the Allies was only a question of time. The dimensions of the Holocaust were known in Palestine, but the British government adhered to the White Paper policy, and continued to bar the gates of the country to Jewish immigration. Moreover, those immigrant ships which succeeded in escaping from occupied Europe were not only prohibited from entering Palestine, but were sometimes even forced to return to Europe, although the fate that awaited their passengers was clear to all.

The conduct of the British government further infuriated young Jews in Palestine. The Irgun General Headquarters came to the conclusion that the truce it had proclaimed when war broke out had to be ended, and that it was essential to take action against the British without waiting till the war was over.

The actions of one man changed how Irgun was written in the history books.

Also you have to understand one important fact,In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.ish people did not take anyones land, it has belonged to them for over 3000 years.It has never belonged to any one alse, it has never belonged to any Arabs.

The Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount.

Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

reply to post by Whereweheaded


When Jews go to Palestine, they are zionists. Nobody says that zionists appeared overnight sixty years ago, it is your own straw man proposition.

The Zionist Theodor (Binyamin Ze'ev) Herzl, founded the fanatical land grab idea in 1878 and by the 1900s, wild eyed and bearded Eastern European fanatics started to descend upon the Palestinians.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


The only problem with your claims about Israel being several thousands of years old is that all of Israels prime ministers have been Ashkenazi Jews, this means that they have absolutely no ancestoral relation to the Israel of old. How can the country's claim for the land be legitimate if their leaders have absolutely no relation to the promised land? Also, the argument about Israel existing previously should be worthless anyway. How many countries that are currently established today are under the exact same ethnic rule of 3000+ years ago or? Going by that logic, USA has no right to exist- or at least, large chunks of it don't.

I don't see that you can dispute that Israel hasn't acted the exact same way as Palestine has. I think many today would argue that they're acting wrongfully, just as you say the allies did. As Israelis are quick to point out, even if they are acting wrongfully, this doesn't give Hammas the right to kill innocent civilians- yet Zionist militants used to do the exact same thing- sheer hypocricy.

Also, the main reason for Israels power in the area today is because of their massive stockpile of nuclear weapons, which were produced illegally. The only reason the world found out about this was because of a whistle-blower, known as Mordechai Vanunu, after he released photos to The Sunday Times in the UK. As a result of this, he was drugged, abducted and after a behind doors trial, sentenced to an 18 year sentence, of which 11 was spent in solitary. I believe he has also been jailed an additional two times for attempting to speak to the foreign media about his mistreatment and also for trying to leave the country.

The reason I mentioned those Zionist militant groups is because several of Israels prime ministers were involved with them, and were either directly or indirectly responsible for killing innocent civilians- an act which Israel as a nation is quick to condemn any Palestinian or Arab for.

reply to post by ScepticalBeliever


You will never get these Ashkenazi anti-true-Semites to put down their hate. It is like trying to reason with a brownshirt race supremacist.

Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

The only problem with your claims about Israel being several thousands of years old is that all of Israels prime ministers have been Ashkenazi Jews, this means that they have absolutely no ancestoral relation to the Israel of old. How can the country's claim for the land be legitimate if their leaders have absolutely relation to the promised land? Also, the argument about Israel existing previously should be worthless anyway. How many countries that are currently established today are under the exact same ethnic rule of 3000+ years ago or? Going by that logic, USA has no right to exist- or at least, large chunks of it don't.

I don't see that you can dispute that Israel hasn't acted the exact same way as Palestine has. I think many today would argue that they're acting wrongfully, just as you say the allies did. As Israelis are quick to point out, even if they are acting wrongfully, this doesn't give Hammas the right to kill innocent civilians- yet Zionist militants used to do the exact same thing- sheer hypocricy.

Also, the main reason for Israels power in the area today is because of their massive stockpile of nuclear weapons, which were produced illegally. The only reason the world found out about this was because of a whistle-blower known as Mordechai Vanunu, after he released photos to The Sunday Times in the UK. As a result of this, he was abducted and after a behind doors trial, sentenced to an 18 year sentence, of which 11 was spent in solitary. I believe he has also been jailed an addition two times for attempting to speak to the foreign media about his mistreatment and also for trying to leave the country.

edit on 3-1-2011 by ScepticalBeliever because: (no reason given)

I've read a numbeer of your posts now, and I would like you to answer me a very simple question:

When has the State of Israel instigated, or otherwise attacked another nation or population, without there having been provocation in the first place?

Now you are a smart individual, your posts are well thought out and you are extremely eloquent, and sound educated, so I'm guessing that this question will not be too hard for you to answer.

Originally posted by Constantlysilenced

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by woogleuk

 

Ok and I removed the large photo as courtesy. Removing anymore would be censorship and an insult to the memory of victims of the zionist state.

Those are bad pictures. Have a look at them again. This is what you get when you attack convoys and kidnap people. If your beloved Lebanon does it again, I hope the destruction is 100x worse. The state of Israel has every right to exist and I will always support it in it's struggle for survival against it's backwards, cultist neighbours.

You are a supporter of war crimes and state terrorism. The allegation made by Israel against the Lebanese is untrue.

No Israeli convoy was attacked and two zionist goons who crossed over the border were arrested after Israel trespassed for weeks and Israeli airplane flew over the Lebanon causing sound barrier booms.

Israel is still illegally bounding into Lebanon;

An Israeli incursion into Lebanese territory provoked a clash near the border between the two countries, Lebanese State Minister Michel Faroun has said. Three Lebanese soldiers, an Israeli officer and Lebanese journalist were killed in the fighting. Lebanon says troops opened fire after Israeli soldiers entered its territory. Israel denied the charge.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Israel is both a terrorist and pirate state.

reply to post by Constantlysilenced


Well, I gave a list of events in my previous post. Obviously some of those mentioned were retaliation, but the specific attacks aimed at the British, in the form of the King David bombing, along with the assassination of the British Minister. The attack on the U.S.S Liberty incident is also a good example, although I realise that is still under dispute, but often that dispute is fueled by bias. Nevertheless, I re-iterate my point- the Israelis condemn Hamas for killing innocent civilians, yet Irgun and various others did the same on several occasions.

Where does retaliation end? I'm sure the Arabs only started the war initially because they felt it was retaliation for stealing their land, then it just escalated completely out of control. At the end of the day, if all we do is constantly seek retaliation, there will be nothing left. The problem is, for many Palestinians now, they have nothing left, so there will be no chance of it ending until they are all dead, it seems. Just to re-iterate, I am not condoning their actions whatsoever, but by Israels non-compromising stance with Palestinians, all they have done is fueled the fire by leaving many men left with nothing other than anger. If the two sides would compromise, then there would be a chance at peace..I know, I'm a dreamer.

Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever
reply to post by Constantlysilenced

 

Well, I gave a list of events in my previous post. Obviously some of those mentioned were retaliation, but the specific attacks aimed at the British, in the form of the King David bombing, along with the assassination of the British Minister. The attack on the U.S.S Liberty incident is also a good example, although I realise that is still under dispute, but often that dispute is fueled by bias. Nevertheless, I re-iterate my point- the Israelis condemn Hamas for killing innocent civilians, yet Irgun and various others did the same on several occasions.

Where does retaliation end? I'm sure the Arabs only started the war initially because they felt it was retaliation for stealing their land, then it just escalated completely out of control. At the end of the day, if all we do is constantly seek retaliation, there will be nothing left. The problem is, for many Palestinians now, they have nothing left, so there will be no chance of it ending until they are all dead, it seems. Just to re-iterate, I am not condoning their actions whatsoever, but by Israels non-compromising stance with Palestinians, all they have done is fueled the fire by leaving many men left with nothing other than anger. If the two sides would compromise, then there would be a chance at peace..I know, I'm a dreamer.

In that whole post, you outlined one single event that occurred at the hands of the Israeli State. Therefore, it is safe to say that the claims that Israel is a war hungry evil nation are now completely quashed.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady

Originally posted by Constantlysilenced

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by woogleuk

 

Ok and I removed the large photo as courtesy. Removing anymore would be censorship and an insult to the memory of victims of the zionist state.

Those are bad pictures. Have a look at them again. This is what you get when you attack convoys and kidnap people. If your beloved Lebanon does it again, I hope the destruction is 100x worse. The state of Israel has every right to exist and I will always support it in it's struggle for survival against it's backwards, cultist neighbours.

You are a supporter of war crimes and state terrorism. The allegation made by Israel against the Lebanese is untrue.

No Israeli convoy was attacked and two zionist goons who crossed over the border were arrested after Israel trespassed for weeks and Israeli airplane flew over the Lebanon causing sound barrier booms.

Israel is still illegally bounding into Lebanon;

An Israeli incursion into Lebanese territory provoked a clash near the border between the two countries, Lebanese State Minister Michel Faroun has said. Three Lebanese soldiers, an Israeli officer and Lebanese journalist were killed in the fighting. Lebanon says troops opened fire after Israeli soldiers entered its territory. Israel denied the charge.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Israel is both a terrorist and pirate state.

edit on 3-1-2011 by Ilovecatbinlady because: (no reason given)

Sorry dude, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Lebanon attacked a convoy and kidnapped two Israelis. This is enough of a reason to go to war. You are an extreme anti-semite, probably with ties to either national socialist groupings or islamist terror organisations. I pity you.

reply to post by Constantlysilenced


I highlighted three. You can also add the Lavon Affair to that, as well. Again, I will say, just because you're retaliating, it does not give you the right to kill innocent civilians. Also, you will notice I never said Israel was a war hungry nation in the first place- I said they were hypocritical for their condemnation of Hamas and various other Palestinian terrorist groups. You will see in this thread I have given various examples of Zionist militants terrorist actions and how Israel have, on occasion, actually gone on to celebrate and reward these actions. I have also stated that 3 of the leaders of said organisations, in the past, have later gone on to become the prime minister- thus highlighting more hypocrisy, in relation to condemnation of Arabic terrorist groups.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Welcome Back Oozy!!!

Didn't miss ya one bit!

I don't think he is trying to censor you, yet be allowed the option of NOT seeing such images.

Lebanon brings their own problems on themselves. Likewise Israel brings on it's own problems...

This will never end... Can we just get this over with? Can all of you Muslim extremists surrounding Israel, just grow some balls and attack. Please?

Lebanon / Syria / Iran / Palestine - Attack now! Get all your ducks in a row, ring the dinner bell, come and get it.

I hope the US just sits back and lets it happen (although, I know this wont be the case) Let Israel defend it's self.

Israel would lay waste to that entire region.. Some of you will bring up the last lebanon war... Don't use that as a template. That war was fought with gloves... They were worried about public opinion... If all of them attack at once, Israel will not attempt to be politically correct. Take the gloves off and shut these motor mouths up, once and for all.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

Let us not forget that it was Hezbullah that shelled Israel, and started a confrontation. But we don't wanna talk about that now do we? Protecting ones borders is acceptable. Allow me to demonstrate a timeline for ya:

Actually the information you provide is a distortion. The bigger beast in that park is Israel and has been the hostile party for decades. People don't go around tweaking the nose of a bully but you sure as hell dig you heels in when the bully comes a knocking. Hisbullah always retaliates when Israel does something terrible to the people of the Lebanon.

So why are you posting a list with only half the story? Are you some kind of zionist apologist?

It is always a distortion when you are on the other side. There is no wrong or right or good and bad in this situation. They are all NUTS. Terrorists on one side Zionist on the other.

Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever
reply to post by Constantlysilenced

 

I highlighted three. You can also add the Lavon Affair to that, as well. Again, I will say, just because you're retaliating, it does not give you the right to kill innocent civilians. Also, you will notice I never said Israel was a war hungry nation in the first place- I said they were hypocritical for their condemnation of Hamas and various other Palestinian terrorist groups. You will see in this thread I have given various examples of Zionist militants terrorist actions and how Israel have, on occasion, actually gone on to celebrate and reward these actions. I have also stated that 3 of the leaders of said organisations, in the past, have later gone on to become the prime minister- thus highlighting more hypocrisy, in relation to condemnation of Arabic terrorist groups.

edit on 3-1-2011 by ScepticalBeliever because: (no reason given)

So what you're saying is, it is ok for terrorists to attack Israel, but Israel is absolutely not allowed to retaliate and must sit there and take it. Sorry, but that is rubbish. Every single rocket must carry a retaliation, every single Israeli death must carry 100 "Palestinian" deaths.

reply to post by Resurrectio

Israel would lay waste to that entire region.. Some of you will bring up the last lebanon war... Don't use that as a template. That war was fought with gloves... They were worried about public opinion...

A thirty day blood and guts jamboree and you say Israel was worried about public opinion? Do you say Israel can do worse but held back for public relations!

In that case you zionist are a threat that should be given no quarter. You kill less civilians than you normally do for public relations because you all moral bankrupts.

And who is ossy?