1000+ birds dropped dead from the sky.

I would like to hear more from the Arkansas vet, trauma not due to hitting the ground. What did they encounter? Does anyone have a link from the Ark vet statement?

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Interesting, I wonder how they tell the difference?

Seriously....?

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From the Manitoba bird kill link:

"Local reports have circulated that an extremely virulent strain of bird flu has infected both wild and farm birds. At the same time an extremely aggressive winter flu has hit Canada sometime in December and mortality rates are expected to rise alarmingly in vulnerable populations."

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great just GREAT....

Originally posted by crazydaisy
I would like to hear more from the Arkansas vet, trauma not due to hitting the ground. What did they encounter? Does anyone have a link from the Ark vet statement?

Posted it earlier but here:

To get this all sorted, here are the facts so far from this source.

- 5000+ dead red-winged blackbirds (one species)
- Dead birds found in one square-mile area in Beebe, AR
- Started dropping 12/31/10 @ 11:30pm
- Primary trauma suffered to breast tissue
- Blood clots in the body cavity and internal bleeding
- Major organs were normal and birds appeared to be healthy
- Gizzards and stomachs were empty

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Regarding mortality rates expected to rise - would this be from the bird flu or the winter flu that humans get - or both?

Originally posted by robile

Originally posted by crazydaisy
I would like to hear more from the Arkansas vet, trauma not due to hitting the ground. What did they encounter? Does anyone have a link from the Ark vet statement?

Posted it earlier but here:

To get this all sorted, here are the facts so far from this source.

- 5000+ dead red-winged blackbirds (one species)
- Dead birds found in one square-mile area in Beebe, AR
- Started dropping 12/31/10 @ 11:30pm
- Primary trauma suffered to breast tissue
- Blood clots in the body cavity and internal bleeding
- Major organs were normal and birds appeared to be healthy
- Gizzards and stomachs were empty

Those are symptons of poisioning.

Originally posted by justsaying
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From the Manitoba bird kill link.

Not a valid source, neither is **sc4rletwhore.com** (which BIWN sites as their source). Care to try again?

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Thanks you - I read that but in trying to catch up I didn't realize it was from the Arkansas Vet. Thanks again for the source!

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And again you failed to mention the starlings.

The birds, most of which were dead when they were found, were red-winged blackbirds and starlings. They were found within a one-mile area of Beebe, about 40 miles northeast of Little Rock, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said.

edition.cnn.com...

"Initial examinations of a few of the dead birds showed trauma. Whether or not this trauma was from the force of hitting the ground when they fell or from something that contacted them in the air, we don't know," she said.

So they don't know. I also found in one of the links in this thread someone saying the injuries were mainly in the breast with internal bleeding in cavities I think that was the jist.

The trauma that the blackbirds suffered was primarily in breast tissue, with blood clots in the body cavity and internal bleeding, according to preliminary tests conducted by the Arkansas Livestock and Poultry Commission. Major organs were normal and birds appeared to be healthy. Gizzards and stomachs were empty, the report said.

cheers robile saves the search.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
My dear ATSer,

The loud noise is speculative while 5000 birds perishing is a fact.

Is it? There were multiple witnesses that stated they heard loud noises. Obviously the 5000+ birds is fact.

I can think of at least five reason that might help explain the loud noise.

As can I, however don't you think, given the date/time and celebrations going that fireworks would be the most likely cause? I was using Occams razor to illustrate that.

While I have absolutely not ONE explanation to the cause of their death.
The noise most likely has nothing to do with their death.

This is where you are continually confused. At what point did I ever say the noises had something to do with the birds death? The poster I replied to was using witness reports of noises as evidence that possibly some kind of sonic weapon had been used to kill the birds. My point of contention wasn't the sonic weapon theory itself, but rather the witness reports of loud noises. As previously mentioned, don't you think its more likely that fireworks, on New Years Eve might account for those loud noises heard by witnesses?

Like I said earlier, these scientists (and reporters?) really should seek an early retirement and let the fishermen, farmers and birdwatchers take the reign for a while.
Maybe it's just me but I would listen to some back-wood wood-chucking rednecks' explanation way before I try to ingest anymore of these tie-wearing post graduates explanations!

Not really sure what your driving at here. If your intent is to insult me, a more direct approach would be appreciated.
If you trying to say that all people who are educated and use scientific method, logic and critical thinking to explain events are not trust-worthy - then I think you a bit too paranoid.

They are reporting dying birds in Luisiana and Kentucky

I just saw the article. And it was on ABC news.

Hum...

Originally posted by burntheships
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Interesting, I wonder how they tell the difference?

Seriously....?

I'm not sure, since I am in nursing school I am going to venture that he may see internal bruising or damage that is consistant with all the birds, but that's just a guess. Shock was not mentioned, but I am guessing that if they received blunt force while in mid air, they went into shock and were unable to fly. But since he didn't say that, I am only speculating on it. External bruising would indicate the impact to the birds hitting the ground, but he said that there wasn't any external trauma so that wasn't the cause of death. Don't know if this is making sense.

Originally posted by Paroxysm
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I hardly consider that site a valid source, and was trying to check into their sited sources...but didn't get very far. Google searches aren't turning up anything more credible like local news reports.

Yes, I agree (and you're welcome anyway). It's not the best source. So maybe I (we all) got carried away due to the frenzy? But the way I see it, one disinfo- story doesn't negate all these other ones (although I couldn't find an official South American report either).

I think I'll stick to my own country from now on (which is not by choice. It's by birth only)

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The local source says blackbirds, which implies the majority. There were also starlings mentioned in other sources.

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Which one is true and which one is lying. The majority is not all and never will be.

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You and me both.


And at least if something crazy starts going down here, there's usually bound to be a few digital cameras and video recorders close by so there's usually photo/video evidence of what happens. That simply is not the case in a lot of other regions around the globe.

If the birds were poisoned, then why did they all hit the ground within a 1 mile radius? Do all of their digestive systems work at the exact same pace? I find it hard to believe that a poison would kill all of the birds in such a condensed area, you know? I think they would be more spread out if it was poison, unless they were going insane and flying in circles above the town or something wacky like that.

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Exactly ,this is not poisoning

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Yes, you make sense.

I read the post above also which states there were blood clots.
As I understand it, that is indicative of poisioning.