Detroit in ruins

I happened to be working the day Iraq won a big soccer cup, Detroit has a large Iraqi population in the area where I work something a lot of people dont know. I took this video on warren ave between m39 and greenfield. July 29, 2007 was the date

sportsillustrated.cnn.com...

Originally posted by NeverApologize
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

The Unions are about to get my program shut down because Boeing isn't turning a profit, again. I work at the Ridley Park, PA plant. The UAW is about to destroy 6500+ jobs and a local economy. All of the local business that depends on the paychecks of the Boeing Employees is about to get shot to crap too. 6500 people with high paying jobs is going to up and leave. They are moving to S.C. where it is a right to work state. I myself will be following them when the move occurs...

HAHAHA GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

In short though; Unions served a great purpose to protect the working class, turn of the 20th! Now though, they are not needed due to workers rights and regulations set up by our Government!

NO they do not, not in right to work states, I know I live in one, we didn't even get a lunch break at most of the jobs I held here. HAHAHA!!!!They did not have to give us one! didn't matter if we worked 4 hours or 12 hours, the company decides whether or not you get any breaks. You will be in for a shock!!!!HAHAHAHA



Anyway, who the heck cares about where the blame lies? Is this not a moot point?
This is what I would like Detroit to be turned into::

reply to post by NeverApologize


You're blaming the union for a decision the company made in an effort to break the union?

On topic...Detroit looks like my neighbor city, Scary Gary. It shares the murder capitol of the world title with Detroit. I've personally witnessed Gary and neighboring cities deteriorate as a result of the steel mills drastically cutting back its workforce.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
With the amount of money the Pentagon "misplaced" (some 2 trillion dollars) they could have turned Detroit into Disneyland.

Detroit has "ruin porn"
Where's the start up film industry???
2guys and a mac? Rogue"director Robert Rodriguez would grab it by the short hairs and use what was available


redistribution of tax monies ( that's the answer)...

well being a person who has been to a large portion of majors cities throughout the world
New York
Los Angles
San Fransico
Mexico City
Hong Kong
London
Paris
Singapore
Aukland
Sydney
Chicago
Philedelphia
Seatle
Vancouver
Toronto
And Detroit 1998

Detroit City was the only city in which i actually felt a bit fearful...It was eerie and very vacant....almost soul less.
It was a spot i would not much like to visit again as it was a lost city in a sense....yet you could go across a bridge in Winsor Ontario and all of a sudden be completely lifted in spirit.....It is tale of two cities...cause winsor went through the same down turns and has faired way better...so was it neglect on The US governments part ....oh well once again neglect of the American citizen in order tofil the pockets of the capitalists...
Hopefully one day people of America will start to care for their fellow comrades....

Originally posted by mnmcandiez
looks like Cleveland, Ohio to me

I don't know why the ghetto gets so ugly looking

We're not detroit!!

Result of half a century of Democratic leadership.

America is going down the same tube.

Okay Its a loss:
so lets setup a perimeter around 500 square miles.Send in the Michigan guard to setup safe zones and retake the "city. clear the ground with bulldozers;recyckle and turn the cleared ground over to the first group with a plan : A case can be made for socialists;capitalists communists: I don't care desperate times call for desperate measures. Let s take a billion from the dod tell'em to chalk it off against the "untraceable" 2billion cash "misplaced" over in the middle east for bribes and buying peace between groups..
Just to See what happens( and I have no predictions except I'm not ever living there...).
( be well citizen)

Originally posted by Cablespider
reply to post by NeverApologize

 

You're blaming the union for a decision the company made in an effort to break the union?

On topic...Detroit looks like my neighbor city, Scary Gary. It shares the murder capitol of the world title with Detroit. I've personally witnessed Gary and neighboring cities deteriorate as a result of the steel mills drastically cutting back its workforce.

Why did the company feel the need to bust the union? Because they were competing globally against cheap (slave) labor.

Great gallery showing off our little kingdom of doom. It's crazy to see how in some cities the kind of decay here is only in spurts, yet here once you pass 8 mile it's a whole city of nothing but ruin. I've been a resident here for almost 4 years now, and the sad thing is once the effect of how bad it can be wears off it has a weird charm to it. Not supporting it of course, I would love to see this place get turned around someday. But without a decent school system and proper crime control it's never going to happen. Most of the higher-ups in both systems could care less about anything and the ones that do focus on petty issues that do nothing for the whole of the area. And even more strange, despite its reputation I've had far more problems in Flint than Detroit as far as crime goes. In Detroit, the bad areas are pretty segmented off from the northern suburbs and surprisingly the downtown area. In Flint, it's everywhere. I've been robbed in broad daylight in a Best Buy parking lot in Flint. And I've walked downtown Detroit at 3 am without so much of a second glance from anyone multiple times.

But this does go to show what utter destruction can happen to a place at the hands of the ignorant and self-glorifying.

reply to post by die_another_day


Republicans have held the White House for 28 out of the last 50 years. Care to rethink?

~Heff

I am sorry but Detroit is no different than any other gold rush town. When the gold(jobs) are around the city prospers when the gold runs dry, people leave. It is the one's that are too proud to leave, or the one's that are too lazy and make excuses as why they cannnot start new somewhere else. I for one do not feel sorry for people who continue to live like this and complain. Move... Move... Move ... to another place and start over. I live paycheck to paycheck and do not have any money either. If you do not have any sources of jobs you must move on to the place where you can find work to support yourself. Everybody wants the gov't handout and complain that they cannot do anything.

While I did not grow up in or around Detroit metro, I've been there many times throughout my life for hockey games, conferences, etc... The last time I was there, I drove through an area that didn't used to be ghetto. It has changed a LOT. As a young white woman driving an upscale vehicle through the ghetto, you can imagine the looks I got from the thugs on the street. They just gaped at me in shock. No one came anywhere near my car....I'm sure because they figured I must be *somebody* to have such balls to drive through the ghetto like that...

I grew up in the midwest. I spent a lot of time in Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis and everywhere in between. In this area, manufacturing was king. Whether it was cars, magnetic wire, steel, or other products. It all went south (literally) and companies starting going belly up. My ex brother-in-law was a high level engineer for GM. No longer. He was laid off at least 4 or 5 years ago. Unable to find a new job in the area (staying for his kids), he started his own business to make a meager living...no where near the 100,000+ he made before. My sister still works for GM but just barely. She worries every month about losing her job. I've known many people who worked in these industries. Most, if not all of them, were union. As someone already mentioned, unions had a very significant purpose at one time.... But to be honest, most of those reasons have been replaced by regulations on wage and worker safety. In the end, they've become nothing but a parasite which removes the flexibility of companies to change with a world of changing economy, scope, products, etc...

Let me give you an example. My mother works for a major utilities company. She is not union, but the company still employs a LOT of union people in various jobs. For the past 3 years, my mother has been unable to take vacation in the summer because the unioners threaten to walk if the company doesn't capitulate to their demands for wage increases and more benefits - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE COMPANY WAS LOSING MONEY AND NEEDED TO RESTRUCTURE OR GO BROKE. No matter how you want to argue it, there is only one pie. If that pie is shrinking, each person's proportion of it has to shrink with it....but the unions won't accept that. They want bigger shares because they feel entitled. And that's why you see Detroit in the shape it is in....

Someone else nailed it perfectly. Those who LIVE THERE have nailed it perfectly. Detroit has been done in by a combination of the entitlement crowd and misuse & misappropriation of government, state, and city funds by corrupt and inept politicians. Get the punitive regulations and government out and open up the city to real American capitalism....and you will see a revitalized Detroit!

ETA - one more thing...if Detroit wants to be revitalized, it must change with the new landscape of business. This means moving beyond manufacturing and/or putting all your eggs in one basket.

Not what I was expecting. I was expecting a slide show of the abandoned neighborhoods and vacant factories.

This is nothing, just the usual falling apart buildings and theatres that can be found in any major city worldwide regardless of economics.

Nothing new

Detroit will be revitalized in the next twenty five years when the new clean energy cars are made.
It will have a complete rollercoaster come back. People will be tired of living in crime, poverty, and filth.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Your union bashing is utter crap. If the local is not willing to make concessions, yes, it is the locals fault. But many times, the local is working closely with management and realizes a company's hard times. They will take concessions if need be. Here in Chicago, Ford and the UAW are a good example of both organizations working together to meet new demands.

I was a local vice and president for 6 years for a Ford vendor. When I helped open the factory, we were making $10/hour. Through negotiations, we were making $20 by the time I resigned. That was back in '99. Guess what? The current starting wage has actually decreased to $12/hour. Again, through negotiations, the company was able to make its case, and by working closely with the union, the union agreed they needed to cut back starting wages. That's a company and union working together to make sure they stay afloat. Blaming crappy locals on the entire union is a joke.

The locals have a greater responsibility other than trying to 'milk' companies. They have to keep their members educated and realistic about the future of the company. If a local can do that, and a company allows for it, both organizations can work together peacefully. I've seen it many times over the last 25 years.

Wow, so sad to see this and I'm not even American. All this beautiful architecture, art and handy-craft and effort put into making these buildings almost gone.

As a photographer though I would love to visit this place. But still sad, reminds me of Chernobyl.

Here's a sweet documentary (Rollin: the Fall of the Auto Industry and Rise of the Drug Economy in Detroit (2010)
) about the demise of the Motor city:

vidreel.com...

reply to post by Cablespider


Well I see it as, How long can a company that produces several 40,000 dollar vehicles an hour sustain that production. There is a supply and demand problem. The auto producers kept on producing vehicles in record numbers to keep their stock options high. There are only so many people in this country that can afford a new vehicle. So for a company to have thousands of dealers with millions of health benefits to pay, it is inevitable for a collapse. The auto ballon burst and now it is at a production rate with demand. This is how it is and how it will be.

why doesn't KISS do something about this?
I'm sure they can they have money:
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