Detroit in ruins

reply to post by EHowardHuntClub


I very much appreciate your information on how things in Detroit came to be this way. It makes sense.

There is one factor, however, that you appear to be looking over, whilst blaming public welfare.

It's called "personal responsibility". It is the individual who is destroying everything, not the system.
The system doesn't murder, carry guns, or commit arson.

The system asks questions, and the individual tells the lies.

It's personal responsibility. Just because social services are available, doesn't mean one HAS to choose a free-loader life by applying for them if he's not truly in need. It's called fraud.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Great site and some awesome imagery there.

2nd line.

Just found this tshirt today, pretty much sums it up

There is only one reason for this travesty. The fact is, everyone is scared and too pc to speak the truth.

Animals.

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what i dont understand is, when all this unusual weather takes place and demolishes our country, followed by fundies claiming god did it....... how the hell are we going to know if it was just HAARP behind it the whole time??? hmmmm sick world we live in and we elected these sick bastards to do all of this.

Originally posted by FarArcher
And for this ruin, to a large degree due to the decline of the US auto and steel industry, I'd like to extend my personal thanks to unions.

You union-ed yourselves right out of jobs.

Congratulations.

It wasn't the Unions. Unions made it possible for workers to afford to OWN a car.

It was the stupid designers that made ugly inefficient cars and the engineers who made them from metal that rusted out in two seasons with mega-engines that spewed and sucked a boatload of gasoline a day.

It was the gov't that made it impossible for innovative startups like DeLorean to survive.

Thanks to those that provided the links to the "urban ruins" websites. Very interesting and great photos. Sad, but still well-taken.

And for those that said, "Geez, if they just didn't spend all that money on bailouts and weapons, it could have been given to Detriot." Do you know what Detroit would look like after a trillion bucks was poured into it?

It would look like it does now. After the auto factories left, that city doesn't have anywhere for people to work. Small business aren't going to support everyone, and the city would just tax the crap out of them.

"Urban pioneers". Yeah, that's sort of accurate. Living there would be like living in "Indian Country". Every day and night, you'll have to protect yourself from people wanting to pick you clean of everything. Better change your name from "urban pioneers" to "easy pickings" unless you have your crap wired tight.

Interesting to see what the unions had a very big part in doing. Yeah, I said it. The unions wanted more and more, and got it because of their extortionist tactics. That only works for so long. In return, they got their jobs shipped out of the country because the US auto companies couldn't compete.

Also interesting to see all the boats lying around. All the boats bought with the fat union paychecks that allowed undereducated people to buy stupid useless crap like... boats. Don't tell me that they need a friggin boat because the lake is right there. Nobody needs to own a boat unless they live on waterfront property or they use it to make a living.

Not saying unions are totally to blame, but they deserve a lot of it. Way to go, unions.

Looking at the original article on page 1 it doesn't seem to portray the whole city as being in ruins. As an urban explorer myself I bet I could quite easily find as many derelict places in my local city. Great pics thou

Originally posted by Chakotay

It wasn't the Unions. Unions made it possible for workers to afford to OWN a car.

It was the stupid designers that made ugly inefficient cars and the engineers who made them from metal that rusted out in two seasons with mega-engines that spewed and sucked a boatload of gasoline a day.

It was the gov't that made it impossible for innovative startups like DeLorean to survive.

Not only that but they never designed and built an efficient mass transit system.

What a bunch of maroons.

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Ultimately, this can all be summed up with two beautiful words -

Natural Correction

Yeah, I lived in the detroit area for 8 years, and detroit itself for about a year.. There are areas of the city where you don't want to stop even for red lights - and no cop will ever pull you over for going through them.. you just slow down, and then keep going.. There are other areas where people will chase you down trying to sell you crack, and if you're even a block or two off course from where you were going, you could end up in a really bad area.. A friend of mine was once driving around, someone from another car pulled up and made a comment about his girlfriend.. the friend said "# off".. and the guy pulled out a gun and started shooting.. friend called 911, only to get a busy signal...

Detroit.. the best thing about it is that you can leave.. although I do miss some of the cutting edge nature of the area..

One of the greatest cities ever... Its unfortunate that this happened to such a wonderful city rich with a mulit-cultural history, and composed of beautiful architecture. Detroit, America's Paris. Not any more...

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Sorry, I can't help but be unfeeling about this. The people did it, and continue to live in it. If they have no pride as a person and choose to live in squalor, hey, it's up to them. Ever wonder why we have ghettos to begin with, these people right here are the answer.

[SNIP] telling poor people that you hate them. They live in homes in which they can afford the rent and still have money to feed their children. We have have ghettos because people like you feed self-destructive spirals. You show some photos to discourage people from living and investing in a city. You encourage people to move and then you wonder why budget deficits lead to less cops and fire fighters.

I'm an attorney who represented two children who were horribly burned in a Detroit house fire cause by poorly maintained electrical wiring. Three children asleep in their room. The two boys wake up surrounded in smoke. The older one punches through a glass window with his bare hand to drop the younger one down from the second floor to neighbors outside. He then threw himself out of the window onto a concrete patio before the room exploded. Firefighters rescued the little girl whose skin, all over her back and arms looks like a patchwork quilt from skin grafts and spent six months in the hospital.

It was late November - all of their clothing and Christmas presents were burned up. The city's firefighters organized a charity with the local news. Ordinary Detroiters and local businesses donated clothing and gift cards to give them a Christmas.

The landlord did not maintain any liability insurance on the house. There was no one to sue to get them any justice. Even if I could have given them a million dollars, that little girl will be disfigured for life.

DO YOU THINK THAT LITTLE GIRL WANTED TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE? DO YOU THINK SHE DESERVED TO BE BURNED?

The more you people spit on Detroit, the worse it will get. People like you who have likely never had want for anything in his life dictate to the poor and destitute how they should live. You should hope there is no God. Cold, apathetic people like yourself are the most pervasive evil this world has.

Detroit is not a conspiracy. It's corruption, hopelessness, and suffering comes from the wall the rest of us have built around it. That wall stops us from thinking about it or its people, and especially stops us from actually doing something about it.

Originally posted by thecinic
reply to post by ANOMALY502

 

I just could not imagine someone keeping a family there if they did not have to.
Your pictures show a grim, a very grim reality....

My rents use to live in Detroit and would tell me how if the police had a dead body
(gang related) and it was on the line of there jurisdiction they would move the body
over so they didn't have to deal with it.

If there were any justice in the world then [SNIP] guys like this would be living in slums.
ENJOY THE DISASTER PORN. You people really seem to be getting off on it. You people make me ashamed to be human being.

Originally posted by EHowardHuntClub

(7). Detroit will only Change when there are no structures left standing for People to take refuge in while on the Public Dole, since welfare has become a legally Public Entitlement.

The Dole,The Dole,The Dole.

Who's on the Dole?

What percent of geniuses with 140+ IQs are on the dole?
What percent of first class artists,writers,musicians are on the dole?

Originally posted by RRokkyy
The Dole,The Dole,The Dole.

Who's on the Dole?

What percent of geniuses with 140+ IQs are on the dole?
What percent of first class artists,writers,musicians are on the dole?

Is that all you need to be considered a "genius" these days?

Setting the bar so much lower now, aren't we?

Originally posted by benintheuk
Looking at the original article on page 1 it doesn't seem to portray the whole city as being in ruins. As an urban explorer myself I bet I could quite easily find as many derelict places in my local city. Great pics thou

You should watch that video then... Entire blocks of skyscrapers....

Perhaps you missed it...

Originally posted by NadaCambia


To blame Unions for the death of the automotive industry in Detroit isn't fair. Especially when you acknowledge successfull automotive industries in Asia and Europe that are heavily Unionised, yet, by some bizarre chance, are doing fine.

What was the demand of the Unions? HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!
That was a major cost to the auto companies.
Guess what most if not all of the foreign auto companies are in countries with Socialized Medical care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Including France,Germany,Italy,England,Sweden,Japan,So. Korea.

Nothing new on this thread. Detroit has been in this state for decades. Being a former 25 year resident of the Detroit metro area I can tell you that anyone that lives in the suburbs of Detroit avoids that city at all costs. Unless you work there or have to go there for concerts or hockey games you simply don't go anywhere south of 8 mile road. And like I stated previously, this has been the case for decades. Detroit is not a nice place, however Detroit has an incredible music scene and just as of the past couple of years is now a popular place for film makers. Somehow I don't tink this city will change much ,no matter what the circumstances are.

Originally posted by tim3lord

please life is not complex.

Life is DNA.