Pakistanis rally over blasphemy law

reply to post by gladtobehere

Poll: 76%. Reality: .00005%

Not everyone who agrees with these laws have to go to the protests to keep them. Simple as that. The activists are a minority in every opinion group, and their number does not reflect the number of actual supporters of the opinion very well. You are comparing apples and oranges - number of recent activists with number of all supporters. Basic statistical and mathematical mistake.

Lets see for example abortion debate:
How many pro-life activists going to the pro-life protests and actions are in the US? I dont know the actual number, but I doubt its even 1% of the whole population. And yet most americans (46%) are pro-life according to opinion polls. Explain that with your logic.

en.wikipedia.org...

activists =/= supporters

Originally posted by gladtobehere
I am not commenting on motive.

Perhaps you should be.

Pakistan governor assassinated over blasphemy laws campaign

In the past two months he had received dozens of death threats for taking up the case of Asia Bibi, a Christian woman sentenced to death for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. He championed her cause, taking her case to the president, and led calls for reform of the blasphemy laws.

Hardline religious leaders accused him of being a pawn of the West and warned he would face a fatwa if he continued his campaign.

Witnesses said Salman Taseer, 56, the governor of Punjab province, was killed by a gunman in a police uniform at a small market close to his home in the capital.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by Maslo

And yet most americans (46%) are pro-life according to opinion polls. Explain that with your logic.

1 question. How is 46% most? I am pro-life, actually anti-child murder or infanticide, but 46% is less than half.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


Most people means most americans polled choosed pro-life opinion from the options (more people support pro-life than any other option, even of its not more than 50% of all). Is it incorrect to say "most" in English in this case? Well, then substitute "more than others" for most. Or pro-life opinion received the most votes.

Pro-life Pro-choice Mixed / neither Don't know what terms mean No opinion

46% 45% 4% 2% 3%


Either way, the point still stands. 46% people support pro-life, yet we see far less people actually protesting or participating in activism.

reply to post by ollncasino


Yes, I was just reading about that yesterday. The article linked and quoted below also links the assassination to the victim's work to overturn the blasphemy laws.

Leading Pakistani politician slain by own guard

ISLAMABAD — The governor of Pakistan's powerful Punjab province was shot dead in the capital Tuesday by one of his guards, who told interrogators afterward that he was angry about the politician's stance against the country's blasphemy law, officials said.
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An intelligence official interrogating the suspect, identified as Mumtaz Qadri, told The Associated Press that the bearded elite force police commando was boasting about the assassination, saying he was proud to have killed a blasphemer.

I can understand people not wanting blasphemy against their religion. That could likely be said about people of any religion. However, these laws seem like they would be so easy to take advantage of. For example, angry and someone and want them dead? Accuse them of blasphemy and the problem is solved! Apparently the laws are being used for this very purpose in some areas of the country and this is one of the reasons for seeking the repeal.

reply to post by Maslo

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by gladtobehere

Poll: 76%. Reality: .00005%

Not everyone who agrees with these laws have to go to the protests to keep them. Simple as that. The activists are a minority in every opinion group, and their number does not reflect the number of actual supporters of the opinion very well. You are comparing apples and oranges - number of recent activists with number of all supporters. Basic statistical and mathematical mistake.

Lets see for example abortion debate:
How many pro-life activists going to the pro-life protests and actions are in the US? I dont know the actual number, but I doubt its even 1% of the whole population. And yet most americans (46%) are pro-life according to opinion polls. Explain that with your logic.

en.wikipedia.org...

activists =/= supporters

edit on 5/1/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

The endless mantra of "the evil Muslim" is not based on opinion polls. Its based on the alleged actions of this group. These actions are committed by less than 1% of their population. Arguably much less than 1%.

To generalize about an entire group based on the actions of less than 1% is a fraud. Its completely without merit on any level by any measure to any degree. In the absence of reality, you are left citing an opinon poll...

And I understand why. Because in reality, the establishment propaganda is easily exposed.

More on the current story below... wow, such a nice peaceful religion:

Five hundred Pakistani religious scholars said that anyone who expressed grief over the assassination of Salman Taseer, governor of Punjab province, could suffer the same fate.

The scholars praised the "courage" and religious zeal of the killer, saying his action had made Muslims around the world proud. Pakistani officials said they were investigating whether the killing was part of a wider conspiracy.

The blasphemy laws have widespread support in a country that is more than 95 percent Muslim, and most politicians are loath to be seen as soft on the defense of Islam. Taseer, however, was an outspoken critic.

"More than 500 scholars of the Jamaat-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat have advised Muslims not to offer the funeral prayers of Governor Punjab Salman Taseer nor try to lead the prayers," the group said in a statement.
"Also, there should be no expression of grief or sympathy on the death of the governor, as those who support blasphemy of the Prophet are themselves indulging in blasphemy."

So, basically it's "keep your mouth shut or you will die". Nice religion there, real freaking nice.

A society that tells you who you can grieve for? No thanks. I catch flak for it all the time, being called a 'bigot' on here and what not, but try JUST TRY to defend this practice and these actions.

There is no justification.

There will be no end to this. It WILL get worse as no one steps up to put an end to it. The only solution to this spiraling out of control problem is the complete removal of Islam from humanity.

Those that deny this, and allow it to continue will one day wish they had changed their mind, but by then it will be too late. Islam is not about co-existing, it is about total control and domination. Those that state otherwise are either delusional, dishonest, or highly mistaken.

reply to post by gladtobehere


Noone is saying all muslims are commiting evil acts in the name of their religion, that is of course nonsense. But as long as majority agrees with this active minority and tolerates or even supports their actions (as evidenced by the poll, protests, lack of counterprotests, widespread support of blasphemy laws and asassinating the opposition..) they are almost the same and are also responsible.