Free energy 2000 Watt fuelless generator This is the reald deal!!!!

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Successful stages of producing a device over unity:

1. Invent it.

2. Patent it.

3. Have a panel of research scientists verify it.

4. Put verification in the media.

5. Ask for donations. (Venture capitalists will line up. Money is not the problem.)

6. Mass produce.

Any other sequence is bogus.

Actually, at Step 2 (Patent it) these individuals are usually told their inventions have already been invented but are classified and forced to sign non-disclosure agreements due to national security. If they refuse then strong-arm tactics are used that typically result in the individual's financial life and any credibility being destroyed. Inventors and scientists still make world changing discoveries but are being silenced by our Governments.

Originally posted by MeSoCorny

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by nerbot
What is a "mininight"?

Looks like it is just another word for hoaxer!

It's a knight who is a dwarf.

They ride miniature ponies and will stab at your knees.

And they reside in Stay Free Mini Pads

................................................................

Originally posted by Moonbeast1111
Just thought I would mention, there is no such thing as the laws of physics or anything else for that matter.
Reality is malleable and the limits of our current understanding are the only things resembling laws.

Based on what source?

I agree our understanding of the laws of nature is limited, but it's our understanding that's malleable, not the TRUE natural laws which we probably don't know fully.

In other words, there are true laws of nature which are independent of our understanding, even when we didn't understand the structure of the solar system and thought the sun revolved around the Earth, The laws of nature were still at work making the Earth revolve around the sun. It just took us a while to figure out the true nature of that structure and we still have a lot of work to do to uncover the other true laws of nature.

So maybe we'll develop a better understanding of the true laws of nature that will allow new energy sources. Or maybe we don't have to and we just need better technologies to use existing known energy sources more efficiently:

www.americanenergyindependence.com...

Every hour, the sun radiates more energy onto the earth than the entire human population uses in one whole year.

And the sun doesn't even send us a bill!

Originally posted by DJM8507

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Successful stages of producing a device over unity:
2. Patent it.

Actually, at Step 2 (Patent it) these individuals are usually told their inventions have already been invented but are classified and forced to sign non-disclosure agreements due to national security.

Who told you that? Because I read (in Wikipedia) that the patent office won't issue patents for over unity devices without a working model (which nobody has ever seen to my knowledge, though people have CLAIMED the model works):

en.wikipedia.org...

the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for perpetual motion machines without a working model. The USPTO Manual of Patent Examining Practice states: "With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device. If operability of a device is questioned, the applicant must establish it to the satisfaction of the examiner, but he or she may choose his or her own way of so doing."

In some cases they apparently have the model tested:

In 1979, Joseph Newman filed a US Patent application for his "energy machine" which unambiguously claimed over-unity operation, where power output exceeded power input; the source of energy was claimed to be the atoms of the machine's copper conductor. The Patent Office rejected the application after the National Bureau of Standards measured the electrical input to be greater than the electrical output. Newman challenged the decision in court and lost.

He must have really thought it worked to challenge it in court. I think some people don't really know how to properly test their devices, that's a big problem.

No overunity device will ever be patented by the US Patent Office as the current statutes and laws of physics remain in the current state.

Even if somehow this man was given a patent, major corporations - the big electronic corporations - would start filing hundreds of lawsuits claiming patent infringement. Not for a moment that there is a patent infringement - but because they have hundreds of millions to spend on attorneys to break the inventor.

Then they make a paltry offer in exchange for pulling off the legal eagles of theirs.

That's how it works.

Right now, our physics book as taught in universities is so wrong, so incomplete, and so dated that we'll never make advances as we could if physicists would read their own freaking papers.

Something as basic as Maxwell's equations? Those aren't Maxwell's equations, and Maxwell's actual equations are not taught.

Good for these guys.

The mistake is in assuming that the second law of thermodynamics prohibits this motor/generator.

Just like the second law of thermodynamics prohibits the operation of a windmill or dam. They forget the input from the vacuum. No energy is being created or destroyed here.

Only utilized.

I have yet to find how the vacuum/zpe is captured, stored, converted or even measured. I have read/watched many who claim to have done it but none truly describe and show the mechanics of any device. With the internet and sites like this it should be no problem to get that information out into the public domain. It only takes one person to get that information out but no one who claims to know has done so yet.

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by DaRAGE

 

It's a simple law of physics. No machine can generate more power than it uses. It would be nice if you could but it's impossibe.

ACtually you are wrong. There has been a machine made that uses something like 70 watts and outputs about 5 times that amount, and it did get certified and patented, not too long ago actually. Though it wasn't like the machine in the video, it was something different...

I cant actually remember where i saw it, whether it was on ATS or a different news source, but it is true.

NOTHING is impossible.

Several people have produced overunity devices. Ari DeGeus created the world's first "perfect" electret - or a battery that never runs down. Right now Shell Oil has most of his samples as they along with his Dutch son raided his lab and got "most" of the good stuff.

They were unaware of a duplicate lab, so there's still hope there.

I've even held in the palm of my hand two separate designs, including power source, that would produce 7.2 kilowatts, and run for months before changing the eight triple A batteries.

We are literally swimming in a sea of energy. Some have simply figured out how to extract it.

But since it's not politically feasible, they'll be relegated to curiosities.

The Patent Office and mainstream physicists absolutely denied even the remote possibility that amorphous semiconductors could be constructed or made to work, and they got downright vehement about it.

The inventor eventually just sold the amorphous semiconductors quietly to manufacturers, and AFTER THE FACT, when they were in equipment and obviously working - said they knew it all the time!

Right this moment, you can purchase an overunity device, but that capability is intentionally concealed to get them on the market and in the hands of the public.

And no, don't ask me what it is, or where you can buy it.

Just by using a bigger wheel, input energy can be reduced to create the same amount of output power. OR keep the input power the same by having the turner run at the same speed as before, which would in turn, using the bigger wheel, spin the generator faster....

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1b31a7cd0d5c.jpg[/atsimg]

My uncle works for Sylvania and he told me in the 1980's they created a device like this. That was 30 years ago.


As for the World Improvement through the Spirit Ministries:

www.witts.ws/

Read about Nathan Stubblefield. He died of starvation.

He invented the Earth Battery. You can find the patent online and make one yourself. All you do is wrap copper and steel on a spool in the manner in the patent and you get free electricity. Not alot, the early telegraphs used them as a power source. You could charge double A batteries, or light an LED with a Joule Thief circuit.

Here's the real deal free power:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpCr9Tjttw

The old retired farts on the Energetic Forum took a Stubblefield Coil (earth battery) and are pulsing it to spin a magnet (motor) and creating an AC signal from the minute DC power the Stubblefield coil produces.


I find it amazing Nathan Stubblefield died of starvation, yet made one of the most important inventions mankind has. I believe the Stubblefield Coil works because we put energy into Iron Oxide to turn it into steel. As it corrodes, it releases energy...which is how the Earth Battery (stubblefield coil) works.

Lidmotor discovered you can use a Copper pot scrubby, and a steel pot scrubby....bury them in the ground and you get power:

www.youtube.com...

Which is a super simple Nathan Stubblefield Earth Battery. Free energy.

It's real.

Originally posted by Pervius
Which is a super simple Nathan Stubblefield Earth Battery. Free energy.

"Free energy" can have so many different meanings that it's almost a meaningless term if you don't define it.

Oil comes right out of the ground and I can use that for energy, is that free energy too?

Many people would say, if the source is consumed and isn't renewable, it's not really "free energy". So yes oil comes out of the ground but once you empty your gas tank, or use up the world's petroleum reserves, it's gone.

Likewise, you can corrode metals to extract energy but once the metals are corroded, the fuel source is used up. In fact we use a lot of energy to remove the oxides from metal so it shouldn't be surprising if we can get some of that energy back when it's corroded again.

Solar energy is really the closest thing to free energy, as the fuel will run out in billions of years but that's too far in the future to worry about, it may as well be forever considering how short our lifespan is. And with solar energy, you don't have to worry about getting new sources of uncorroded metal you can corrode.

reply to post by Moose318

The man says he has been raided by the feds, he said that certain people working with him have been mysteriously killed. I would want to stay under the radar as well, if I was being attacked all the time. It has also been reported that he was sent to jail over this. These videos were made last year and alot of the speculation was before that.

So, the first thing I'm going to do is set up a site asking for donations. Real low-key.

How do the oil companies/feds/men-in-suits know where to find all of these peoples labs, garages, and persons? How do they know how far research has progressed?

Stop and think about it for a few minutes. How much time and energy would a company, the government, or some ambiguous agency have to invest in order to nail all of these free-energy designs? They are more effective at that than they are at nailing people for tax evasion, insurance fraud, and a dozen other forms of fraud that should be difficult considering the documentation associated.

A number of these victimized free energy researchers claim to have had friends and co-workers die mysteriously in relation to their free energy work. Who? My mom was an amazing person to those who knew her - but her death didn't make headlines, even in the small local paper. There are still records that exist - even on the internet - of her passing, the cause, and those who survive her. The same with my dad.

And, let's also stop and think about another concept for a few minutes. Why is it that all of these developers of free energy all seem to fall into the same trap? None of them open-source the designs. If I were to create one of these free energy devices and find my little corner of the world raided - about the first thing I'd do, especially if I felt my life was in danger, is spill the designs on the web out of spite.

In either case - you think a few of them would be smart enough to either A) keep a lid on their work until they were ready to start business, or B) just spill the designs from the beginning.

reply to post by Jim Scott

Successful stages of producing a device over unity:

1. Invent it.

2. Patent it.

3. Have a panel of research scientists verify it.

4. Put verification in the media.

5. Ask for donations. (Venture capitalists will line up. Money is not the problem.)

6. Mass produce.

Any other sequence is bogus.

I disagree, here. First - I wouldn't produce such a device to sell. I would sell the power made from the device. I would not apply for a patent, as patents do nothing to protect your intellectual property in today's world. Keep that thing under as tight of a lid as possible. Most corporations don't patent their designs because they can be easily circumvented (while still being copied) - and they also lack international enforcement (a la China).

I also wouldn't ask for donations or necessarily make all that many demonstrations. I would start by making them out of my garage (or wherever I made the first one). There's no need to so radically up-scale from the beginning. Even businesses like Amazon started from very humble beginnings before gradually scaling up to something resembling a warehouse. Trying to start off too heavy on either foot (the right or wrong one) ends up being a bad idea.

Originally posted by Aim64C
If I were to create one of these free energy devices and find my little corner of the world raided - about the first thing I'd do, especially if I felt my life was in danger, is spill the designs on the web out of spite.

You'd probably find yourself discredited and rotting quietly in a prison cell on a false "sex by surprise" charge...lol

"Assanged"

Originally posted by DJM8507

Actually, at Step 2 (Patent it) these individuals are usually told their inventions have already been invented but are classified and forced to sign non-disclosure agreements due to national security. If they refuse then strong-arm tactics are used that typically result in the individual's financial life and any credibility being destroyed. Inventors and scientists still make world changing discoveries but are being silenced by our Governments.

Erm... proof?

reply to post by john_bmth


Don't need proof, just know that is the way it is and the chances of it being different are so miniscule, because you can look at the world, connect all the dots to lifelong events and how the Governments and corporations work, and THINK, thats all it takes. And also, as a citizen , we don't care about proof, all we care about in this evil dark sider type planet, it having the smallest suspicion something is wrong.

Free energy is coming for everyone. And everyone will be free. I know they don't want that, they have a big huge invested interest in keeping everyone as slaves.

But they lost period.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by john_bmth

 

Don't need proof

Well, case closed, then!

reply to post by Moose318

If losing 50 dollars is being taken care of then yeah i guess you will be taken care of.

Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by Freezer

 

By them doing this in their own factory is the only way this invention will get to see the light of day. In the hands of the current energy giants this technology would be buried.

I've seen the work these people do and I respect it. It would be a good way for them to make an honest living selling a very usefull tool. The big corps can go to hell.

Rubbish.

They reckon they've been at this for over 30 years....where's the devices?

They build a factory, it gets burnt to the ground....where's the devices?

They open source the devices, release detailed instructions to build/replicate and the devices are everywhere on the planet.

Building a factory when you say tptb have destroyed 14 of your r&d labs, is absolutely mental.

The *only* way to get these out to the world, assuming they exist and work as advertised, is open source.

For a *NON PROFIT* 'ministry' to reject open source, is proof positive of a scam to milk money from the people.

Explain why not? I'd be very interested to hear your reasoning, as to why these aren't everywhere...

reply to post by nerbot

You'd probably find yourself discredited and rotting quietly in a prison cell on a false "sex by surprise" charge...lol

"Assanged"

Wouldn't matter.

You all eat these free energy threads up like a heroin addicts - posting a complete design on these threads, along with a few posts elsewhere and a video or two would quickly result in virtually viral distribution to regions where no single entity has jurisdiction.

Monkey-see, monkey-do. One or more would attempt to replicate and post their findings. At this point - it's beyond centralized control.

This is the key point of studies regarding pandemics and communicability of infectious diseases. There are two relevant aspects to this - first, once a pandemic infection hits an international airport terminal, it's game-over and containment is impossible. Second, removal of a virus (such as small pox) from the general population does not remove it from the farthest nether-regions of the human population. A virus can sit un-noticed in remote populations and violently re-infect the entire population at a breath-taking pace when it hits a large node (such as an international terminal).

This concept has been applied to information warfare. China has found that they cannot suppress information, even though they have one of the most aggressive and best funded censorship agencies on the planet. North Korea is about the only place with more control over information in their country - and that's simply because they solve the problem by not having things like the Internet, cellular phones, etc.

Just take Assange - as big of a douche as the man is and those who worship him - it doesn't matter if they draw and quarter the man in Time's Square - what he did cannot be undone anymore than what PFC Manning did can be undone.

Similarly, if someone were to stumble upon free-energy and release it, it would be beyond the ability of any group or agency to censor.

Unless you believe Wikileaks is a government construct, in which case, my tin-foil hat is not rated for a conversation with you.

I fully plan on circumventing the laws of thermodynamics. I'll do a number of other things along the way - but that's one of my ultimate goals in life. I will not, however, try to scam people.

However, at present, it's all in the same category of snake oil, ectoplasm, and 419 scams. Every time is marked by faddish scams that play off of people's worries and concerns. "Back in the day" it was some lost healing art that could cure anything. Back in the days when everyone was losing people to Tuberculosis, mediums became popular and you had all kinds of scam artists selling people a conversation with their lost loved ones. In the 70s and 80s we had the pyramid schemes that essentially promised millions of dollars for nothing (these have never really died off). In the 90s, we had the 419 investment scams preying off of people's desire to help other countries and the idea of becoming wealthy off of helping someone 'liberate' funds. Now, the recent thing has been investment in 'free' energy, preying off of the fears and concerns over unsustainable living and global warming.

It's also playing off of people's idealizing technology. I'm continually frustrated at the fact that I have to dig around behind the couch when something falls back there. We read postage stamps from space and hit an object the size of a basketball moving mach 8+ with a missile the size of a telephone pole. Why do I have to dig around for stuff that falls behind the couch? Shouldn't we have solved this problem by now?

Similarly, "shouldn't we have figured out how to get free energy by now?" We are a culture that is used to government secrets surrounding the Cold War; it is common knowledge that the government funds and commissions a number of projects that are deliberately kept a secret and are often for the designs of very technologically advanced things. The notion that we still have to burn oil or coal for energy seems about as frustrating and silly as having to dig around behind the couch or some other inconvenient place.

Kind of like how we are supposed to have flying cars by now, regardless of how impractical the idea is. We all want to believe technology can resolve every problem as simply as putting a meal in the microwave.

That was very nice software. that was good software..