Rendlesham forest, "Ancient Aliens" episode 30.12.10 and binary numbers

Originally posted by IsaacKoi at another of my posts above.
Mmm. Hang on a moment...

One basic point that I don't think anyone has picked up on so far : How many pages are there?

Just to add to the confusion about the number of pages that I mentioned in the post above, I thought I'd post the video below in which Jim Penniston is interviewed about the binary code in the video below and refers (at 1 minute 45 seconds) to having written "like 12 ... 14 pages" of code:



I've been finding it amusing to see how many discussions on the Internet are currently taking place about the purported message using all sorts of different numbers of pages (I've noted references to 6 pages, 8 pages, 9 pages and 12 pages) without anyone querying the fact that everyone is using different numbers of pages...

All the best,

Isaac

reply to post by gmax111


Hmm yes, I did see that picture when it was posted earlier. Although my initial reaction wasn't that it was four pages, but perhaps the image had staggered during the screencap. Not sure why I thought that, but I did.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Just a though issackoi, but when he says 6 pages, I'm wondering if he meant both sides of the same sheet maybe?? Just an idea.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Yeah I saw that, and I also noticed that the pages are not written on the back side. There are a few shots of the book during the video.

Originally posted by Smugallo
Just a though issackoi, but when he says 6 pages, I'm wondering if he meant both sides of the same sheet maybe?? Just an idea.

Gmax111 made that sensible sounding suggestion above - in his post at this link.

However, do any of the pages shown during the documentary support this?

I've seen quite a few shots of pages containing binary code with hole punches on the left. Are there any shots of pages indicating writing on the reverse, where the hole punches would be on the right?

All the best,

Isaac

Originally posted by chaosdh
In doing some research on "Hy Brazil" I came across it's actual name: "Tierra Da Vera Cruz" but it was soon changed. There is additional information out there On Tierra but I haven't spent much time on it yet.

"Terra de Vera Cruz" (not Tierra, that's Spanish, not Portuguese) was the name that Pedro Álvares Cabral (the navigator that found Brazil, the one in South America) gave to the new found land. Years latter that land was renamed as Brazil because of some trees ("pau brasil", brazilwood) that existed in that land and that were one of main products that came to Europe.

PS: I never heard of "Hy Brazil" until I saw this thread.

reply to post by gmax111


Block 3 Full Lat/Lon:
520942532N13131269W

So far, no one seems to be questioning the Hy Brasil conclusion (or at least, I haven't seen anyone say anything recently).

History Channel said:
52" 09' 42.532 N
13" 13' 12.69 W

But there's nothing in the decoded ASCII binary code that specifies a grouping or punctuation. Maybe its normal for there to be three decimals (.532) for the end part of latitude and only two (.69) for longitude, but what if there are other interpretations?

History Channel convert to decimal form:
52 + 9/60 + 42.532/3600 = 52.16181444N
13 + 13/60 + 12.69/3600 = 13.22019167W

What if it was already in decimal form (instead of degrees/hours/minutes) in the original message?
52.0942532N
13.131269W

Either way, that's in the Atlantic ocean.

What if the 13 W has the decimal point in the wrong place, i.e., what if it's supposed to be:

1" 31' 31.269W
or 1 + 31/60 + 31.269/3600 = 1.5253525W

That puts 52.16181444N, 1.5253525W nearly right on Highway B4086 in the UK (Warwickshire).

If the numbers were already in decimal form, then its:
52.0942532N , 1.3131269W

Then its nearly right on Highway A361 in the UK (Oxfordshire).

I tried a couple of other moves of decimal points, but they seemed to put things in the various oceans.

If we assume 1 W instead of 13 W, does anything show up on the satellite images that would make either of those spots on land to look interesting?

PS: I never heard of "Hy Brazil" until I saw this thread.

Me neither. This is why ATS is great.

S/F OP. thanks.

Perhaps there is some lethal message in the code which is too dangerous to read.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by ArMaP


I hadn't heard of the legend either. But the fact that it is a legend of some kind, or perhaps because of this history channel show certainly seems to want to point this case in that direction, gives more more inclination to simply let it pass over me. It's all conjecture really, and seems like a device to line it to the whole ancient aliens thing, as someone else pointed out earlier.

Linda Howe is the person who said Hy Brazil. Ask her about it on her face book.

reply to post by frugal


Perhaps she pushed this whole thing towards that. The fact that they even made a connection here makes me want to flush it down the toilet even more.

reply to post by gmax111


In the other video IsaacKoi posted (the one with the regression footage) we can also see several pages of one of those notebooks (or even the same), and they are all written only on one side.

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by gmax111

 

In the other video IsaacKoi posted (the one with the regression footage) we can also see several pages of one of those notebooks (or even the same), and they are all written only on one side.

Good catch!!

Since I knew a few other people had asked Jim Penniston questions about the purported message (not least asking the obvious question as to the availability of full code), I'd resisted the temptation to bother him myself until today.

I've now given in to temptation and sent him a few basic questions by two different methods. Hopefully I'll get a response and they will clarify a couple of points.

All the best,

Isaac

reply to post by ArMaP


ArMaP thanks for the info, now that I take a second look you're 100% right.

Thanks again

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Surely he must realize that showing the information on television, especially the History Channel, is going to lead to interest in the story and people wanting more details & asking questions....

If he isn't prepared to open up, why go public? Just curious....

I went to nickciske.com the guy who transposed the binary code.

and used his Text to Binary encoder
he has a text to binary encoder, Kind of cool

so I put this in what was shown on the tv episode.
Remember on the top of the message reads
Possible messsage (removing noise/errors):

EXPLORATION [of] HUMANITY

52° 09' 42.532" N
13° 13' 12.69" W

CONTI [NUOUS]

FOR PLANETARY ADVAN [CE]

and came up with this

010001010101100001010000010011000100111101010010010000010101010001001001010011110100111000100000010110110110111101100110010111010010000001001000010101 010100110101000001010011100100100101010100010110010000110100001010000011010000101000110101001100101011000000100000001100000011100100100111001000000011 010000110010001011100011010100110011001100100010001000100000010011100000110100001010001100010011001110110000001000000011000100110011001001110010000000 110001001100100010111000110110001110010010001000100000010101110000110100001010000011010000101001000011010011110100111001010100010010010010000001011011 010011100101010101001111010101010101001101011101000011010000101000001101000010100100011001001111010100100010000001010000010011000100000101001110010001 01010101000100000101010010010110010010000001000001010001000101011001000001010011100010000001011011010000110100010101011101



It would be nice if the gent just posted his scanned pages so others could transcribe.
since Nick himself states that this is a possible translation and he removed noise/errors in the binary code.

and then why would there be noise/errors in an advance alien code?

Sounds and looks good for tv if you ask me.

For that matter, what about simple human error??? How many people do you know that could write out 6 (or 12...) pages of binary code and get it all correct....other than a savant? I know people who couldn't copy that 100% correctly while having it sitting in front of them!!

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Since I knew a few other people had asked Jim Penniston questions about the purported message (not least asking the obvious question as to the availability of full code), I'd resisted the temptation to bother him myself until today.

I've had a response from Jim Penniston to the questions I put to him.

My questions were:

(1) One basic question - how much code is there? I have seen an interview of you in which you refer to having written "like 12 ... 14" pages of code. In the History Channel documentary, the narrator and the computing expert refer to 6 pages. Various other individuals in discussions online in the last few days have also referred to 8 and 9 pages... Can you clarify the position? Were all the pages of code typed up by the History Channel's expert and run through his encoding/decoding process - or only some of the pages?

(2) Most obviously, is it possible now - or will it become possible at some point - to obtain the full code? I'm sure you have already been asked this question repeatedly, which is one reason why I haven't attempted to contact you earlier...

(3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere?

Jim has responded by stating:

We knew of the importance of this, once discovered. Please go to Linda Moulton Howe's website for the answers to your questions... www.Earthfiles.com

I've replied as follows:

Thanks Jim - I've been to Linda Moulton Howe's website several times, including tonight.

I assume you are referring to her 3 part update on Rendlesham, particularly Part 3. I've looked at each of those parts.

I'm afraid I don't see the answers to my questions there.

Indeed, the material on Linda's website adds to the confusion on at least one of the points I raised i.e. how many pages of code there are (given that I'd seen references to 6 pages, 8 pages, 9 pages, 12 pages and 14 pages). Linda's website adds a new number since she has a reference to a "Summary of 5 pages of Jim Penniston's December 1980 hand-written binary code" and the body of Part 3 of her report refers to you sharing 5 pages with her.

Oh well...

All the best,

Isaac

By the way, if you scroll down towards the bottom of Part 3 of the relevant report on Linda Moulton Howe's website, you can see scans of the relevant 5 pages of the notebook.

Also, that page includes an analysis of the code which is materially different from that shown on "Ancient Aliens". In particular, the co-ordinates are different.

Linda's article includes the following:

The yellow highlighted latitude and longitude converges at the town center of Woodbridge, Suffolk County, England. The Ancient Alien latitude and longitude was further west off the coast of
Ireland in the ocean. That difference appears related to the fact that some of Jim Penniston's
zeros and ones were not perfectly clear.

So, I'm afraid the confusion continues...

All the best,

Isaac