Obama's Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie's Birther mission

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Actually, by the constitution, it is up to congress and the electoral collegae to verify his eligibility, which he has done. If you actually paid attention to the constitution you may have noticed this. The idea that the president must prove his eligibility to everybody is utter stupidity.

really ?? i know my US Constitution and i'd really appreciate it if you would link or quote the Article or Section that says so or indicate which Constitution that you refer. otherwise, you are full of disinfo+
no time to address the rest however, i'll be looking forward to your 'link' of so called Constitutional verifications ... and i'll get to the rest later.

Originally posted by Honor93
really ?? i know my US Constitution and i'd really appreciate it if you would link or quote the Article or Section that says so or indicate which Constitution that you refer.

Certainly.

Amendment 12 - Choosing the President, Vice-President. Ratified 6/15/1804. Note History The Electoral College

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

www.usconstitution.net...

Congress, and only congress, is left with the powers to confirm, certify and impeach the president. We are a constutional republic. If the eligibility of the president was left up to the majority of citizens, we would no longer be a republic and we would no longer be following the will of the constitution.

Now, can you show me where there requirements are that the president should provide more evidence?

no time to address the rest however,

If you have no time then why on earth did you bother to direct a post towards me? If you intend to make the case then make it. Nobody has put a time limit here, however time will be evident as to what you have to show for your arguments.

reply to post by dragonseeker


IMO I think that a whole lot more people have woke up since GWB was in office. At that time the nation was reeling from the 9/11 tragedy, whereas today people have seen that there's a ton of evidence that 9/11 wasn't such a cut and dried terror attack.

Be thankful that people ARE waking up, and caring about the Constitution again.

Originally posted by diakrite
*giant facepalm* Oh vey..Here we go again.. Howevermuch I understand the goodwill of the OP..Do.Not.Go.There. this whole "birther" rubbish is gonna be another endless "yes he is/no he isn't" thread....
The bottomline here is the underbelly hatred for someone that isn't exactly lily-white.

Doesn't it strike anyone as somewhat suspect that this whole "birther-fiasco" mainly stems from ultra-right-wingers below the Mason-Dixie???


*ugh* I . am .out. of. here.

edit on 12/28/2010 by diakrite because: blew fuse, removed pottymouthing

I shouldn't re read through these pages.

"Outta here: " diakrite?
Emergency; emergency pull the " RACE CARD!!!

you don't getoff that easily!
"charges made and met in this exchange:.
1)"Surely he was vetted by somebody in government?:
(no) Proven false
Links were posted to memos from congress admitting he was NOT "vetted"; by anybody other than his own party leaders. who thought they had a winner who would apply their far left ideas.

2)He was born here! So hes a natural born citizen!
( uh... No) proven false
Assuming he actually was born here doesn't matter because: ( both ) his parents were not,

3)Kenyan govt doesn't claim his birth!
( definitely no) Proven false
links posted to article with kenyan parliament meeting govt officials. were quoted stating exactly that.

Theres 3 challenges made and answered.
Methink the crazy shoe is on the other foot!

No nobody questioned the eligibility of previous presidents.None had the special combination of questionable factors we see here; none based their agenda on fundamentally transforming the constitutional republic we have.
Whats next tinglers?What will it take for you to admit:"There something strange afoot in the moors this eve"?

Responding to Original post by Southern Guardian

hahahahahahaha, i asked for the Constitutional Article, Section or requirement indicating a process to verify a nominees eligibility and you quote the ballot voting process?? Are you sure you know what you are reading?
i think not.
hint: there isn't one ... never has been an official one because there never has been a NEED for one, until Obama. ~~ times sure do change, don't they?

yes, i agree the US is a Constitutional republic, but that only works when the republic knows, honors, defends and enforces its Constitution. please keep reading, you have much to learn.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
If the eligibility of the president was left up to the majority of citizens, we would no longer be a republic and we would no longer be following the will of the constitution.

Constitutionally, since the beginning, eligibility is left up to the honesty of the applicant.
guess we goofed there, huh?

Now, can you show me where there requirements are that the president should provide more evidence?

sure, and you'll find it well in advance of the election instructions ... Article 2, Section 1 ... www.constitution.org

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
If you have no time then why on earth did you bother to direct a post towards me? If you intend to make the case then make it. Nobody has put a time limit here, however time will be evident as to what you have to show for your arguments.

because i began answering your post and got called away so i didn't have time to finish reading it let alone respond. considering your above comment, at this time, i choose to ignore the remainder of the prvs post and tell you thanks for the dialogue but please save your BS for someone less educated.

personally, i've been waiting patiently for 2 yrs for them to 'make their case' but alas, here we are and they are no closer to convincing me than the day his nomination was announced. As for my arguments, i have only one, prove Obama IS Constitutionally qualified, period and i'll find another bone to pick. applicable links are included in prvs posts on this thread ... if you don't question it, so be it, I DO and so do many others, why or how is your opinion more valid than the next?

edit: to add addresseeee 'Southern Guardian'

Originally posted by Honor93
hint: there isn't one ... never has been an official one because there never has been a NEED for one, until Obama. ~~ times sure do change, don't they?/

So as Obama is the first black president suddenly there suddenly needs to be a official process!

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Obama meets those requirements...

Originally posted by dereks
So as Obama is the first black president suddenly there suddenly needs to be a official process!

actually, he is not the first mixed POTUS and yes, apparently due to his lack of integrity and honesty, i suppose a formal process is necessary to avoid any future usurpation.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." ~~ Obama meets those requirements...

Not yet he hasn't. Where's the proof of his natural born status? Why didn't/hasn't he formally renounce his UK citizenship as is also required, Constitutionally. and lastly, why are we still waiting, 2 YRS and many inquiries later? since you seem to have the answers ... please share.

Originally posted by Honor93

Not yet he hasn't.

Yes he has, but some racist birthers refuse to accept the facts.

Where's the proof of his natural born status?

Where is the proof of any Previous presidents natural born status - why is Obama the only one that has to prove his? Anyway, he has shown a proper birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii - no previous Presidents showed their certificates....

Why didn't/hasn't he formally renounce his UK citizenship

He does not have to.

and lastly, why are we still waiting, 2 YRS and many inquiries later?

Who is waiting? The only people waiting are racist birthers who refuse to accept a black man is the proper POTUS

since you seem to have the answers ... please share.

I have shared, you refuse to accept the facts!

I don't recall ever seeing any proof of birth for any president since I've been alive. Not sure why it is so important to see it for this one. If he did what every other president has done, then I would not have seen a birth certificate, and the people in charge opted to let him be president, like they did with every one before that who never showed me a birth certificate.

Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by Honor93

Not yet he hasn't. Yes he has, but some racist birthers refuse to accept the facts.

No, He has not ... Pelosi tried but what a failure that's proven to be.

Where's the proof of his natural born status? Where is the proof of any Previous presidents natural born status - why is Obama the only one that has to prove his? Anyway, he has shown a proper birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii - no previous Presidents showed their certificates...

Don't deflect, answer the dang question. Previous POTUS are IRRELEVANT. Obama has not 'shown' anything, try again. The campaign did, not Obama. The campaign proved a birth was Registered in Hawai'i, that's all.

Why didn't/hasn't he formally renounce his UK citizenship ... He does not have to

as POTUS, oh yes he does. He may have NO allegiance, alliance or loyalty to any other country, period ... would you like the Constitutional entry for such?

and lastly, why are we still waiting, 2 YRS and many inquiries later? Who is waiting? The only people waiting are racist birthers who refuse to accept a black man is the proper POTUS

at least 60% of the US populus and increasing by the day ... you pick the ethnicity, we is all wanting the truth

since you seem to have the answers ... please share. I have shared, you refuse to accept the facts!

ohhhhh, you are one of Those who thinks rhetoric is fact ... ahhhh, i get it now ... troll.

Originally posted by LazerTron
I don't recall ever seeing any proof of birth for any president since I've been alive. Not sure why it is so important to see it for this one. If he did what every other president has done, then I would not have seen a birth certificate, and the people in charge opted to let him be president, like they did with every one before that who never showed me a birth certificate.

"the people in charge" -- exactly, We the People ... also have Constitutional remedy to redress our grievances ... should we employ that route instead?

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Can you please link me to the thread where you called for the public to see George W Bush's birth certificate? Or maybe Clinton's...or maybe any other president. You seem very committed to the concept that presidents should show the people their birth certificate...so I'm sure you can provide a link to where you have demanded this from other presidents.

The interest in Bush's or Clinton's birth certificate is not cared about. Obama is different, because he has a Kenyan father, and grew up in Indonesia, and has refused to show his birth certificate. And all you racist Marxists, who think Obama is only being questioned because of his skin tone, if Colin Powell had won the presidency, no one would ask this from him. There are valid reasons to believe Obama may not be a US citizen, these reasons do not exist for Bush, Clinton, Powell, or even Juan Williams. The more he keeps this secret, and the more the Marxists throw out the race card, the more this president will be mistrusted and disliked.

reply to post by tom502

if Colin Powell had won the presidency,

If only! Dam that would have been such a better candidate for either party! Too bad he has enough good sense to stay out of that circus. I always believed that he would be our first black president, and he would still make a great one. Lets start a write-in campaign on his behalf!

reply to post by LazerTron

Can you please link me to the thread where you called for the public to see George W Bush's birth certificate? Or maybe Clinton's

The major push was for Bush's military and college transcripts, which he finally did authorize to be released. There was also a big push for Kerry's records, which he did not release, but they were eventually leaked, and his GPA was no better than Bush's.

Anyhow, the point is that every candidate has some achille's heal, Obama's is his father.

Originally posted by LazerTron
reply to post by Honor93

 

Can you please link me to the thread where you called for the public to see George W Bush's birth certificate? Or maybe Clinton's...or maybe any other president. You seem very committed to the concept that presidents should show the people their birth certificate...so I'm sure you can provide a link to where you have demanded this from other presidents.

John McCain's natural born status was in question, there was a Congressional hearing to ascertain if he could run for President.

This wasn't done for Obama, why not?

How many other Presidents have spent 1 million dollars trying to keep all their past records secret?

reply to post by tom502


Are you saying that Obama's mother wasn't a US citizen? she was. ergo, so is her son. I'm not a racist or a marxist, but I know exactly how it feels to get extra scrutiny because of your skin color. Where he grew up doesn't matter, he was born in hawaii. you guys can spout all this nonsense if ya want to, it won't change the fact that he is a US citizen, he was born where he said he was born, and he is who he says he is.

edit: hell, I even know how it feels to have these very things questioned that we're discussing. I know a right-winger who has cast the very same aspersions about MY background and identity. It's a tactic. suspect every suspected "liberal", especially those of us with dark skin, of anything and everything. nothing is too insane, any charge can be made. And, unfortunately, there will be those who will give it credence. that's how I know this is racist, right-wing bull#. It's been done to me.

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Thats BS. I'm sorry for you being singled out, but not every "right-winger" is a racist, and the issue with Obama is not about his race. I'm sure some percentage of people hate him just for his race, and some other percentage hate him just for his Muslim name, but there are a great many people, probably the majority, that are like me. I don't hate him at all. In fact, I voted FOR him. I just don't like the results of his politics so far, and I don't like the fact that we have any unknowns about him. It is immeasurably important that we know where his loyalties lie, and it is immeasurably important that even if we never ascertain Obama's birthplace, at lease we can reform the process and never face this problem again.

The facts about "racism" speak for themselves. He was elected. He won. He was the first. His race did not cost him the primaries to a very popular Clinton, and his race did not cost him the election to a very strong and experienced Republican. Race is out the door. He went into office with an overwhelming approval rating, and he immediately won the Nobel Prize! Sorry, but all of that proves race and name were not the issues. His first year and a half of his presidency is his problem. He was beloved before he started legislating, and now he is hated. Therefore, the legislation is the problem.

I'm a Southern, White, Conservative, Gun-toting, Redneck, Freemason, and I voted FOR Obama, and it was because of his campaign promises, his energy, his youth, and his "outsider" status as an inexperienced politician. It had nothing to do with his race. NOW, I will not vote for him, and it is because of a monstrous Healthcare Bill, wasted Stimulus money, a Worldwide apology tour, and some questions about his true loyalties.

Race was not a factor then, and it is not a factor now. Sorry to disappoint.

Obama's mother was a US citizen when he was born. Unless you want to take this one instance and deny citizenship of a child born of a US citizen, then Obama was born a US citizen, even if he was born on the moon.

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Have you not read the rest of the thread? Your response is just plain incorrect. He is not a "natural born citizen" unless BOTH parents were citizens AND he was born on US soil, except in the case of a military family where a child can be born to both US parents on foreign soil during a deployment, as in the case of John McCain, which had to go to a Congressional panel for a final determination.