FLASH: S. Korea army says to hold largest-ever live-fire drill on Thursday on mainland near border w

reply to post by Pr0t0

I have looked for the write up but haven't found it yet. About 20-25 or so Yrs ago, there was a Russian diplomat that stood up disgusted ( maybe UN meeting?) and ridiculed and scolded America for heading in a socialist direction they were trying so hard to change and not to be anymore. It always stuck with me and here we are.

nothing like the start of world war 3 to hide the fact the obama and his hope and change is all b.s.

and it couldn't come sooner, obama has run out of excuses and places to hide.

too bad it's at the expense of all the innocent north and south koreans who are going to get bombed and missiled to death.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
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Why can't the playground bully US just leave it alone? They've helped little SK to scare little NK out of demanding their pocket money. Now if NK hits back and the big bully responds by pulling out the big guns, teacher (China) and head teacher (Russia) have every right to cane the bully. Unfortunately, some bullies just need the attention it seems.

Staging this vulgar display of 'power' only 12 miles from NK's border is an immediate threat to the NK government. If NK do nothing we should have Kim awarded the Nobel Peace Prize next year. Obama has it and look at the way the US carry themselves in the name of 'peace'.

With Japan pointing artillery at China and several Eastern European countries taking delivery of weapons systemsfacing Russia, tensions in the ME and South America I think we can all guess where this is going. But more to the point, who the aggressor is. Don't be proud of your country any more America, and certainly don't fight for the warmongering profiteers. You've become everything your propaganda warns us against. If war starts, you really brought it on yourselves and unlike your very lucky bankers shouldn't expect any bailout or assistance from anyone else.

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At least for once the US is getting involved into something for the right reason, no OIL, no TERRITORIAL CONQUEST, no MONEY....getting rid of NK is being done in the name of Freedom, Peace and Global Security

Sometime ago I was against US and SK in this matter but after i informed myself pretty well I came to the conclusion that yes..such a threat as having a sick and dying country with nuclear weapons must be stopped before its too late

I suggest people to get informed well what a threat to humanity NK is...bookmark for later view or if you have some spare time to watch this documentary A MUST SEE!!!! (after you see it keep repeating in your head "NK GOT NUKES" >>






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I guess getting ground closer to China has nothing to do with it..
US acting for the good of man??

I almost p'd myself..

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getting close to china for what purpose exactly?...remember this will be at a cost of an all out war with NK..so what do you think it will be gained by being closer to China >>

I sincerely believe with everything I have that absolutely zero is going to happen.

Originally posted by Nomad451
I sincerely believe with everything I have that absolutely zero is going to happen.

And you know what, out of everythig that has been stated in this thread so far, this is probably the most accurate. After all of NK's poking and prodding of the south over the years, and all of teh rhetoric, the ROK is finally showing that they are ready if NK brings siomething more than its rhetoric, But you are right, it will most likely ead to nothing at all, except the NK resposne again, which will become old and stale fast.
That they will response at a time and place of their choosing. Which will probably be in another few weeks, once all of the military ops have ceased and there is no threat to immediate retaliation from ROK.

I think this time Kim will attack, first conventionally. USA will have a symbolic presence "human shield" as KCNA told. By New Year, Seoul will be inside the North occupied zone, proclaiming new free government and unification with the motherland. How many casualties and whether Seoul will be half destroyed, I don't know. Whether or not USA will be mad enough to strike with nuclear overwhelming force that will bring WW3? I suggest that is reserved for a later stage.
Hoe Kim doesn't respond to the "largest..." provocation of Seoul so far, and we have a quiet Christmas and New Year Interesting how the US sees the things after the Korean war, after Israel strike on Iran etc. Is USA preparing fora first nuclear strike on the East? If so, and the East analysts do not sleep either and will see the signs before us in the public forums... then the East will prevent it with preventive attack. My estimate is 3 months after the first major war starts (Korea or Iran). Between them, there will be the biggest spiritual miracle in our days, known as the Great Warning.

If this dude really wanted to drop bombs on s korea or the US, wouldn't he do it completely randomly one day out of the blue, rather than while he has fighter jets pointed up his ass?

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If we were oh so worried about protecting humanity, NOONE would have nukes, or we would be doing all that we can to drastically reduce the number of them- although I realize how that's practically impossible now. Point being, I don't think the US does ANYTHING that doesn't benefit them in some way. I don't think it's to keep humanity safe, or whatever other 'right' reasons. I forget who, but didn't the vice prez, or one of obamas top members go on the daily show/colbert report and say how world war would take us right out of the economy crisis as it did in the past? He totally got called out on it too.

I am afraid that secretary Kim is not as crazy as painted. How would he justify a sneak attack? For his citizens it would be easy, but not for the 1.5 bln Chinese and Russians. Now he has every justification according to his logic. Especially if a SKorean shell "accidentally" falls on North Korean territory. Last time it fell on the DMZ. Who will prove it? They will already shoot at each other. Notice the North's artillery is sheltered inside rocks within striking distance of Seoul. They don't need to move a piece in order to start shelling the South positions. The vice versus is quite difficult. The South cannot invade the North conventionally. The North can.


If the war goes nuclear, don't assume the US overwhelming stockpiles to enter into the game fully, or that the US will throw 2 bombs as in Japan, and the war will end. That could think only people who are far from the facts. William Perry the ex-defence secretary estimated in 1994 that by 2000 the North will possess 100 waheads. What the propaganda tells in the media, is a honest lie. The North is armed with hundreds of warheads including thermonuclear (globalsecurity, wallstreetjournal blog).The Soviet doctrine was of a "winnable nuclear war", so is perhaps the North Korean, especially if it has a promise of strategic support in case of a bigger war with USA. In case of only a regional war the South is lost. The question will be whether that war and Iran-Saudi-Israeli-US that is likely to erupt at that moment too, will grow into WW3, or not. That is what will be asked by the citizens of Washington and Paris, and not how to stop at all cost Mr.Kim of entering triumphal in Seoul. Causa perduta. Seoul leaders are allowed to be led into position worse than Castro's during the Cuban crisis. Castro had nuclear missiles, they don't. Actually it is Kim that has the missiles. If USA wants a justification of its own preemptive strike, it will allow one of the North's bombs to be exploded on US territory. However, USA won't be able to make first preemptive strike. Putin is not that stupid.

Does anyone seriously think Kim has the ability to do jack $hit about this? Other than lob a few artillery shells into residential neighborhoods, kidnap fishermen, or sink a ship what strategic assets does the north have? They have a several hundred long range artillery units that could hit Seoul, but with no modern fire control it would be no more than a club to kill civilians with. Their army is primarily to keep its own population in line and is half starving, like the rest of the population.

Obama's standing
Mr Obama himself must be hoping that this and other agreements he has forged recently - over tax cuts and gays in the military - might begin a resurgence of his presidency leading to a second term.

He has at least got rid of one damaging comparison to the weak presidency of Jimmy Carter. In 1979, Mr Carter failed to get the Senate to ratify the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (Salt II) treaty. It was not entirely his fault - Russia, or rather the Soviet Union, had invaded Afghanistan.

But nothing succeeds for a president like success. Mr Carter lost. Mr Obama has won.

Relations with Russia
Nobody pretends that the so-called "New Start" treaty is going to save the world from the nuclear threat. It will reduce deployed warheads from 2,200 to 1,550 on each side - still plenty to destroy the world.

What it does do is to provide another building block of trust. And it enables verification, recalling Ronald Reagan's slogan: "Trust but verify." That is why the US military supported it.

Importantly, it also helps smooth the path towards Russian co-operation over current and future issues - Iran, access for Nato forces through Russia to Afghanistan and the development of anti-missile defences.

President Obama has made major moves towards Russia. He abandoned the missile defence plan and has now got the Senate on board for New Start. He will expect payback.

^ Makes sense, the US clearly wants NK wiped out and is using SK as a puppet (not ally... US has only THEIR OWN best interests in mind) And US know for a fact that Russia will not be pleased with a US provoked SK-NK War. So Obama has been for a while and STILL as we spoke, sucking up to Russia. Once war is established, i guess the US will try and justify themselves to Russia (after trust is built between them.

I don't know maybe i'm wrong but thats my guess from what i see from the quote from BBC news

Oh yeah, N Korea hasn't done anything at all? The Shelling of deaths of innocent S Koreans was figment of our imagination. OOoo Ooo poor NK, they are so innocent that they didn't instigate anything at all?

Wake UP people! Are you seriously deluded into suggesting that NK has done nothing wrong and did nothing to promote this escalating situation. SK is simply standing there ground, which, if anyone knows their history would know that they didn't stand there ground before the Korean war began.

Don't gag on that Kool aid!

This is brinkmanship intended to force the NK to acknowledge the true weakness of their position. They wouldn't win in the end and at least some of them (the ones with access to intel) probably know that.

The NK regime has the ultimate aim of any regime. To remain the regime in power. If they wanted to go out in a blaze (or more likely flash) of glory, why all the trouble with succession planning.

This is an assertion of SK that are unwilling to be cowed by threats and that the NK can only from this point on profit from negotiation not bullying. It essentially a bluff call. Put up or shut up. High stakes but a calculated risk.

What concerns me the most is the apparent desire of S. Korea to draw the N.Koreans into an all out war. Now don't get me wrong, their response in attacking the S. Koreans probably wasn't the best response, but I keep getting the feeling that the south is just goading them. The Korea's also seem to be puppets of their super power allies(US and China), and I'm sure in the event that the Korea's could be reunited China wouldn't be too happy with a US base on their border. North Korea has been a physical buffer zone for China and if push comes to shove I don't see them sitting idly by and watching the allies roll up to their border. Is it just me but does all the propaganda about wmd's in both N. Korea and Iran smell anything like what led up to the invasion of Iraq?

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I bet SK is being offered the world, to stand up to NK....

Lol the elites offering South Korea the world, I can't even begin to understand what that even means. Reminds me of the gangster movie Scarface where he has a globe with the words 'The world is yours'

And exactly what does 'standing up to North Korea' mean? What has North Korea done that the US hasn't, aren't there places of extreme poverty in the US like there is in North Korea? Aren't there abuses done by these in the employ of the US government too?

It should be pretty glaringly obvious that South Korea or the PTB is doing the provoking.

Someone wants a war very badly.

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What I really despise about all of this is how OUR MSM is basically drawing a very defined line between South Korea, the U.S, and Israel / China, Russia, North Korea.

This is bull. World War 3 is outlandish. So now South Korea is taking the offensive stance. How ridiculous. What transparent tactics. Get everyone to notice the Koreas, call a false alarm. And then a week later bring the spotlight back on them, but now to South Korea.

Where are the Pleiadians when we need them, damnit.

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N. Korea don't want war. They want money. And they just got paid out and they backed down.

N. Korea in all likelihood don't give two hoots what the South are doing in the way of live fire drills.... to the North it's just an excuse to start some trouble and get their naughty boy cheque.

This is going to be an exciting night
I'm getting ready, will be following vitchillo's N. Korea crisis thread
I do not think north korea will do anything and will stand down.
Just as the last time, we shall see, I hope nothing happens and crisis is adverted.