Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

So - someone in law enforcement has the guts to go after one man - now let us see them go after an entire establishment full of known pedophiles - that is backed by the "infallibility of god". And then - after that, make some serious adjustments to TSA procedures on both pat downs and full body scans of children. Getting the lone wolf here and there is all fine and dandy - let's get the establishments that support the crap.

Pedophilia is a subject that is quite a taboo in our society. It is considered a no, no. There are many aspects of sexuality that are not discussed in a rational manner, except in specialist literature or shadowed social circles. There is an odor of ripe opprobrium lingering around these topics. Nice people never broach these subjects in any but a tone of arch condemnation tinged with rage and grave, shuddering, almost orgasmic responsibility to society as a whole. This attitude is almost a kink of its own.

Some people think they own their children and interfere in the most obnoxious ways in their development, intellectually, emotionally and sexually. The psychopathology of parenthood.

The law is actively and rightly trying to discourage predators, particularly of the young. Unfortunately, the law is not good at seeing shades of grey.

I don't know what society should do about pedophilia. If there is no force used and no assault and it is consensual, it is after all, only sex.

Recently a well educated, job holding man in the Toronto area committed suicide as a result of being swept up in an arrest of people who exchange child pornography. Is his death a thought crime perpetrated by society?

Death is not the legislated penalty for child pornography.

Do we with our wrought up, disproportional emotional reaction to sex crimes bear a responsibility for his death? Do we go too far in this area with our righteous talk show hosts and their easy condemnations of such people? Do we cause the suicides of victims of sex crimes by our ranking of such crimes as odious beyond all other crimes?

Remember the pictures of Pete Townsend, a victim of child abuse himself, after his arrest on child porn charges, sitting in his limo, another phony rock rebel windbag, completely deflated? He looked about an inch from death.

"He's sick!" "That's sick!" How many times have you heard it? How many times have you heard it in that harsh tone of condemnation and revulsion? Would you try an experiment? The next time someone you love comes down with a serious sickness, or is in hospital walk up to them and say, in that very same tone,

"You're sick!"

We need to grow up and lighten up on the subject of sex in our society. We're part of the problem.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Really? You should upload it to your media account and share it with all of us, so we can finally put this debate to rest as to the full and possibly obscene content. It would be very nice of you to do.

Really? I think the people that are so upset over what is IN THIS BOOK should have been curious to see WHAT IS IN THIS BOOK about 24 pages ago.

Originally posted by USXpat
So - someone in law enforcement has the guts to go after one man - now let us see them go after an entire establishment full of known pedophiles - that is backed by the "infallibility of god". And then - after that, make some serious adjustments to TSA procedures on both pat downs and full body scans of children. Getting the lone wolf here and there is all fine and dandy - let's get the establishments that support the crap.

So according to you, ignoring real child molestors and even institutionalized child rape and the protection of such rapists in order to go after and arrest someone who has only been shown to be guilty of writing words down is brave? I am just asking because that seems about as cowardly as it gets. Sounds to me like giving someone credit for passing up robbers and muggers in order to arrest a guy that wrote a book on robbery and mugging.

reply to post by Sinnthia

What is in the book is pretty irrelevant to me. I actually do not want to read anything like what it purports to be. "When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back into you." also stated "when you dance with the devil, the devil does not change. The devil changes you." I am sure that this is full of evil putrid garbage that I have no desire to pollute my soul with. However, if we ban books that offend me where do we stop? Any book on Satanism and witchcraft? Broke Back Mountain? They also offend me. Can I ban them and punish the authors and readers? Not in America while we have the first amendment I can't. I thank God for that. For the Bible offends Darwinists and atheists. I have no desire for them to ban that.

reply to post by ipsedixit


No... Not we... You are the problem.. Sympathy for these creeps praying on children is a major problem!

1st. The man caught in the pedophile picture sting... Was he depressed when he was pleasuring himself to pictures of kids? Was he suicidal thinking about the exploited kids in those pictures? Or did he only get "suicidal", once caught?? booo frickin hooooo

You say "thought crime"

Am I to understand that you feel that possessing child porn pictures should not be illegal?? That is the ONLY conclusion one could come to after reading what you wrote...

Thought crime.. Hmmm So you think it should be legal to posses pictures of children nude... That's really telling.

Props to him for saving the tax payers of Canada the cost of prosecuting him..

Pete Townsend is a pedophile. Period! He got what he deserved.. He knew what he was doing is wrong. He went as far as to try the "I was doing research on the subject".. yep, your right .. Sicko!

These kids in these pictures.. wow. wow wow - These pictures are taken by someone that these kids trusted. These kids are not able to make a conscience decision as to whether or not they want their naked pictures floating all over the internet. You make it sound so simple.. Imagine what these kids went through for those pictures to take place. I reiterate .. Your sympathy for the abuser and lack of compassion for the victims is outrageous!


Are you implying that pedophiles are misunderstood and that the crime of having sex with a child is punished to harshly? That is sure how it sounds..

Yes I say SICKO!! I also firmly believe they are broken humans. If a child turns you on.... You are a broken human, not worthy of sympathy.

Now, if a pedophile realizes his sickness and seeks help.. I must give them credit for attempting to protect others and fix themselves... The fact remains.. I believe they are broken...and believe that they aren't able to be fixed. They might learn to repress these feelings... But it is exactly like a man liking a woman.. he can't change that.. It is just who he is.

But, this isn't the case 90% of the time. They hide their sickness and eventually act (a good portion of the time) on these urges. Then, at that point, they not only destroy their lives, they destroy the life of the child that became their focus.

I can't help but think that you have a very alternative view on sex with children.. Your post has some very disturbing thoughts..

You bring up the parents, thinking they own a child. I don't think I "own" my child.. But I surely feel responsible for their safety. And part of my job is to protect them from intellectually/age superior people that would like to exploit their innocence and or ignorance of anything sexual.

My kids are very little.. So my case isn't a case of trying to control them into their young adult years. My concern and main fear is not the 16 yr old girl with my 12 yr old son. ... My concern is the grown men that are turned on by little kids.. specifically my 2 and 3 yr old kids....

I for one, do not think our child crime laws are strict enough. I don't think there should be a 2nd shot at life for these kid touchers. If an adult gets caught having sex with a child under 12 yrs old.. Life without parole.

If an adult kidnaps a child, then rapes this child. Death Pentalty

reply to post by Sinnthia


That does not even make sense.

It is never too late, first page or last page, to continue to learn.

reply to post by Sinnthia


That does not even make sense.

It is never too late, first page or last page, to continue to learn.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

That does not even make sense.

It is never too late, first page or last page, to continue to learn.

You missed my point completely. Of course it is never too late to learn. Do you not realize though that you had no problem espousing fairly certain opinions of the content within the 23 page before you asked to see what you were criticizing? If your first post was on page 24 asking what was in the book, than yeah you would have a point. It was hardly your first post on the subject though, was it?

Major caveat. Describing people like this as pure evil is problematic. Not because I support pedophilia - a child's innocence should be protected by the parents and caregivers. Because one must remember that situations like incest and child sexual abuse are often cyclical. The children victim you all try so hard to protect from this harm will not all be saved. Some will be abused and will grow up to be "damaged" adults. You want to save them as children, but throw them away as adults.

This man needs psychological help. The victim becomes the victimizer; the oppressed become the oppressor. It's a cycle. You can't ignore the balance involved just because you exist in the role of parent.

It's like down here in Florida. People, mostly men, who committed some form of sexual crime (rape, child molestation, lewd and lascivious conduct, etc.) who were released in Miami from completing their time, found that - due to restrictions on their residency in this or that area from the registration of sexual offenders - they had no place to live accept under a bridge.

That is a lose/lose situation. Naturally, the offenders lose because they are living in squalor. And the community loses because they have created an enclave of sexual predators, not exactly a good thing for a cities image. Also, probably doesn't help their recuperation if they are surrounded by other troubled individuals.

If, as a society, we have decided these people have to complete a certain amount of time in jail, then why do we release them if they have no place to be? I guess they are not rehabilitated if upon release they are technically not "released". It's not different as far as their status - it's just a matter of physically behind bars or societally marginalized.

If it is not good enough, don't make some registry law, come up with a better system. I'm sure some here would advocate execution. That is unfortunate. Partly because there are those who associate homosexuality with sexual abuse. Of course, sexual abuse involves power of one individual over another. Homosexuality implies two consenting adults. In some countries homosexuals are still imprisoned and put to death.

Neither should be put to death. We need to do better as a society to understand and prevent sexual abuse before the abused can grow up to be troubled. Naturally not all abused children repeat the cycle, but just like alcohol/drug abuse, spousal abuse, battery and so forth tend to repeat themselves across generations, there needs to be a point when things are looked at holistically.

This is a difficult argument to make, because it cannot just be limited to these scenarios. I'm talking about all crime. All crime is a matter of causation and I fear that the remedies we've undertaken, particularly in the US, are nothing short of a band-aid and at worst, a total PR job. No progress being made whatsoever.

The guy who was arrested should never have gotten to the level that allowed him to even want to publish such a book. He should have been helped a long time ago if the system worked. The system doesn't work and the state steps in at the end to imprison and torture the individual wretch (yes, torture, because we all know what happens to pedophiles in prison - it's state sanctioned torture by middle men who are tortured themselves by the outcome of their own personal demons, whatever they may be).

My fear is that obscenity charges on this end, to fix a problem that should be fixed through other means, will eventually lead to censorship in other spheres. Next homosexual literature; then what, feminist? Then biographies of alternative figures? Communist literature? Islam? And from there to where? Will the Bible even be safe from such censorship? You'll probably say this is making a mountain out of a molehill, and certainly this one instance may very well be that. But individual instances combine and magnify to create the collective reality.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Think real hard. If you spent 23 pages claiming the Uwe Boll is a terrible film maker and should be punished for the films he makes and no longer allowed to make films because of what is in the films he makes and then on page 24 you asked the board if anyone could help you finally see a Uwe Boll film for the first time, where do you suppose your credibility on the first 23 pages goes?

Hope that helps.

reply to post by Sinnthia


So....you are the only one allowed to comment sight unseen?

Gotcha.

OK.

I read enough to know what kind of book it is. I also read author quotes that were disturbing and go to his state of mind. I downloaded a sample before amazon pulled it, so I am asking about the rest of the book for curiosity sake.

If you do not care to read it, fine for you. Others of us may be curious.

It really has nothing to do with the first few pages of this thread at all.

reply to post by Resurrectio


you seem like quite the pedo expert.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

So....you are the only one allowed to comment sight unseen?

What comments did I make about the content of the book? Please quote me.

Gotcha.

OK.

No, you clearly do not. You have been going on and on about how evil the book is and how bad it is that it was written without having a clue what is in it and what was actually written. I have simply been saying I do not care what he wrote in a book, this is the USA where we do not kill people for writing books.

I read enough to know what kind of book it is.

Read enough what? There is one and only one poster I see on this entire thread pointing out what the book is actually about and you have ignored that completely. So what have you been reading aside from what OTHER PEOPLE TELL YOU YOU SHOULD HATE ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE BOOK?

I am not defending the content of the book as I have no idea what it all really says. If you are going to condemn the content of the book, it would be nice if you did it from a place of having some knowledge of that content other than the also ignorant opinions expressed by other people who did not read the book. Understand?

I also read author quotes that were disturbing and go to his state of mind. I downloaded a sample before amazon pulled it, so I am asking about the rest of the book for curiosity sake.

...after 23 pages of condemning what is in the entire book without knowing?

If you do not care to read it, fine for you. Others of us may be curious.

It really has nothing to do with the first few pages of this thread at all.

I am not sure you are operating in the same plain of reality as I am. If you are going to talk smack about what something actually is and then 24 pages later ask if someone can show it to you for the first time, well...it is really hard to take your criticism seriously.

If the first and loudest person to stand up and call for the execution of this man for writing this book had been some Muslim Cleric, boy would this be a different thread.

reply to post by Resurrectio


I am just curious given the topic of discussion, the heated emotional attatchment to the subject, and the wild speculation about so many things. What exactly do you think a pedophile is?

reply to post by Sinnthia


I would define a pedophile as an adult that is sexually turned on or has sexual interest in a child under the age of 12 or 13.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

I would define a pedophile as an adult that is sexually turned on or has sexual interest in a child under the age of 12 or 13.

Then you would just be making up your own definition and ignoring the reality of the definition of the word which tells me exactly what to do with the rest of your "expertise." Thank you.

reply to post by Sinnthia


So you just say things that you know nothing of? Ignorance is bliss eh? Why would you pick me apart with your knowledge being ZERO on the definition?

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles

Are all of your posts just to incite anger or just to argue for the point of it? So your a troll? An ignorant one, when it comes to this subject!

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

So you just say things that you know nothing of? Ignorance is bliss eh? Why would you pick me apart with your knowledge being ZERO on the definition?

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles

Are all of your posts just to incite anger or just to argue for the point of it? So your a troll? An ignorant one, when it comes to this subject!

edit on 12/22/2010 by Resurrectio because: (no reason given)

Your quote proved you wrong, you do realize that don't you? Maybe you need to read your answer again, then read what you quoted again. Then take your anger and your ignorance and put them aside for a moment. There is a big difference between "PREPUBESCENT" and "under 12 or 13."

BIG DIFFERENCE!