Great Patriots Question Government Fairy Tale on 9/11

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by mayabong

 

Also.. I question what the government knew, but GW is notorious about his gaffes. He very well could have seen the first tower hit and think it was an accident and then went in to read to the kids where he was told a second plane had hit and it was obviously an attack. If he saw the first plane he may have continued to read to the kids as he thought as he said it was a terrible pilot. The he made a gaffe about being whisked off after that, when really he meant he was whisked off after he found out we were under attack (the second plane).

I'm not a debunker, but you can't use this stuff as evidence or level headed people will not even hear your arguments.

GW could not have seen the first plane hit the towers before he went into the school...or even in the school.
It was not aired on television until the following day. Unless the govt recorded it and he it via closed circuit...but he would NEVER admit that...that would PROVE they were in on it.

reply to post by DIDtm


No, the text messages did NOT mention the World Trade Center. And nor were the Israelis dancing. Again, those were both debunked long ago. Anyone continuing to use those is living in fantasyland. Now, I will post this and eagerly await the next response...which will most likely involve the Israelis, their filming of both tower hits and their "explosive laden van" At which point I will debunk those too ( for the 3,459th time)

reply to post by DIDtm


No but he did see on the TV that a jet had hit first tower. Oh, wait, thats what he said....and what truthers continually take out of context.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

And nor were the Israelis dancing.

You saying there wasn't a group of Israelis filming the WTC before the 1st hit and weren't high-fiving each other afterwards in a celebratory manner?

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

And nor were the Israelis dancing.

You saying there wasn't a group of Israelis filming the WTC before the 1st hit and weren't high-fiving each other afterwards in a celebratory manner?

I think that is exactly what is being said. Another popular conspira-fact.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DIDtm

 

No but he did see on the TV that a jet had hit first tower. Oh, wait, thats what he said....and what truthers continually take out of context.

HMMM!
His words: I watched the first plane hit one the towers and thought to myself, 'now there's a terrible pilot'.
His term was watched. He did not say 'heard', or 'was informed'. He said watched

No, the text messages did NOT mention the World Trade Center. And nor were the Israelis dancing. Again, those were both debunked long ago. Anyone continuing to use those is living in fantasyland. Now, I will post this and eagerly await the next response...which will most likely involve the Israelis, their filming of both tower hits and their "explosive laden van" At which point I will debunk those too ( for the 3,459th time)

HMMM.
They were on television in Israel admitting they were apprehended, and that they were there with the PURPOSE TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT.
Here is an article on them.
www.erichufschmid.net...
Here is the video with them admitting it.


Regarding the text messages.
Here is a link to go over.
911review.org...

So, what exactly have you debunked?
It seems you've been caught 3 times spewing outrageous lies. But please, dont claim you've debunked anything 3.458 times. This would be impossible to debunk. Two of the videos are testimony from the exact perps you say DID NOT do or say these things, yet they admit to it.

And here is the interview with the woman who witnessed them dancing and high-fiving each other.
In this video is also an E. Rutherford police officer Scott DeCarlo who pulled them over. The same van the witness claims she saw

reply to post by ATH911



Exactly what I'm saying. As he sets the trap for the mouse.

reply to post by DIDtm


But what do you think is more likely.. that he actually saw it or made a gaffe?

reply to post by DIDtm


Likely that he saw the tower already had been hit and smoking before going into the classroom. He said he saw it hit but I'm sure he meant saw that it was hit and thought "bad pilot" then went into the class.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by DIDtm

 

Likely that he saw the tower already had been hit and smoking before going into the classroom. He said he saw it hit but I'm sure he meant saw that it was hit and thought "bad pilot" then went into the class.

Hey. I can't help what he 'said'.
You can speculate what he really may have meant.
Or you believe what he said.

Personally, I don't think he saw it either. But I think he knew about it advance. Whether he had a hand in the organization of it is a different story all together.
Too many coincidences, bizarre circumstances and failures happened that day.
Basically it leaves one of two options.
1. Some kind of inside job within our own gov't.
2. Our military and intelligence is not what we are being led to believe and trillions of dollars spent on defense is being thoroughly wasted.
-Not to mention that our gov't has got a rep for false flags.

i think we all get hung up on these arguments

but still almost 10 years later it still hurts still bring tears to my eyes 911 changed my life! changed all of our lives. for God sakes so many fellow americans died! for what ?

lets just reinvestigate and put it to bed...

i cant go on whith this matter unresolved
-john

reply to post by jplaysguitar

lets just reinvestigate and put it to bed..

It is in bed. It is done. The investigations have been completed. There is nothing new or productive to learn. All this calling for a "new" investigation is just some desparate folks, on the fringes of society, yearning for some undeserved attention.

Look at the threads in this forum and all the divergent "theories" and the their extremely hard-core proponents. Read them closely, listen to the language. Do you really think, for one minute, if there was some sort of hearing wherein all these ideas were aired and then deflated that their creators and advocates would simply walk away satisfied? No. Of course not. As long as most of these people have a breath in their bodies and access to the internet they will continue to try and sell their particular brand of conspiracy knowing full well that each year a new generation of potential "customers" comes about and they may again be the certain of some attention.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by jplaysguitar

 

lets just reinvestigate and put it to bed..

It is in bed. It is done. The investigations have been completed. There is nothing new or productive to learn. All this calling for a "new" investigation is just some desparate folks, on the fringes of society, yearning for some undeserved attention.

Look at the threads in this forum and all the divergent "theories" and the their extremely hard-core proponents. Read them closely, listen to the language. Do you really think, for one minute, if there was some sort of hearing wherein all these ideas were aired and then deflated that their creators and advocates would simply walk away satisfied? No. Of course not. As long as most of these people have a breath in their bodies and access to the internet they will continue to try and sell their particular brand of conspiracy knowing full well that each year a new generation of potential "customers" comes about and they may again be the certain of some attention.

Wow why are you so angry. You and many others sure dont get tired to remind people that "it is done". This isnt 2001, the people on the fringes of society are those who believe in the official conspiracy theory by now, despite you angrily insisting the opposite is the case. In an New York times/CBS poll of 2006 only 16% of the polled believe the goverment is telling the truth about 911, declining numbers for 5 straigh years. They did not make a poll after that.

Why would so many engineers architects and chemists lie to us about 911 and indite their own goverment. This isnt the moonhaux perpetrated by teenagers with too much time on their hands. Those people have phds, and published their findings in peer reviewed papers.

That all seems to make you very angry and you post angrily and you seem to be either very angry about this topic or just an very angry person in general.

Why so serious hooper?

buildingwhat.org...

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by jplaysguitar

 

lets just reinvestigate and put it to bed..

It is in bed. It is done. The investigations have been completed. There is nothing new or productive to learn. All this calling for a "new" investigation is just some desparate folks, on the fringes of society, yearning for some undeserved attention.

Old number 12 and number 5

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This subject will be just like the Kennedy assassination and always be of interest.

reply to post by Cassius666

Those people have phds, and published their findings in peer reviewed papers.

Wrong. On every level. Not one 9/11 conspiracy theory has ever been published in a real professional journal after normal peer review. Never.

That all seems to make you very angry and you post angrily and you seem to be either very angry about this topic or just an very angry person in general.

I don't know - there's just something about deception that ticks me off.

reply to post by hooper


excellent scientific debate here!

Actually, lets not debate euphemism, because that's what it is.

regardless, the fact that wtc1,2,7 experienced different forms of damage and yet collapsed in the same fashion.
factor in all the other coincidences such as norad standing down, and the "training operations" that were occurring.

all of those create some very slim chances of the story happening the way it did.
whether its a million^million or a trillion^trillion, the chances of it happening this way are essentially null.

reply to post by VonDoomen

....the chances of it happening this way are essentially null.

Unless you have some postive evidence that it happened some other way, then you are obviously very wrong.

reply to post by hooper


Ooo those evil engineers and architects that are out to get us. We should add them to the most wanted list, along with Osama bin Laden, except there is a problem with what I just said, can you guess what?
I assume that Jones found evidence of Nanothermite is not good enough for you, just like what all the other experts have to say is not good enough for you. What do you want from us then? If you wont listen to experts I really doubt people on ATS are going to darken your happy thoughts.

By the same token though its going to take more than conspiracyguy to discredit peer reviewed papers thousands of engineers, architects, chemists, firefighters and pilots coming forward.

buildingwhat.org/

reply to post by Cassius666

If you wont listen to experts I really doubt people on ATS are going to darken your happy thoughts.

I do listen to experts, which is why the rantings of a fringe group really doesn't matter. I don't know if you notices but its been going on ten years now and there is no "new" investigation, no popular political movement, not even press coverage beyond some curiosity pieces.

By the same token though its going to take more than conspiracyguy to discredit peer reviewed papers thousands of engineers, architects, chemists, firefighters and pilots coming forward.

You better do another "expert" headcount.