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Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by bsbray11
I can only see the outer structure. Maybe you can use your superhuman vision to outline where the floor trusses and core columns are on those images.
Originally posted by bsbray11
So pointing out that his model has nothing to do with reality is "whining." Alright.
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Originally posted by bsbray11
So pointing out that his model has nothing to do with reality is "whining." Alright.
It sure is.
Bazant's model is a model, not an attempt to model the actual dynamics of the collapse. Most people realize this, since it's stated in his paper.
What percentage of the debris did you claim is ejected during the propagation again? Is 75% about right?
So you're saying that 75% of the weight from the core columns, elevator equipment, HVAC equipment, steel floor pans, truss rods, concrete, drywall, office equipment, etc...... flew out the windows, obscured by the dust in less than .10 second........
Originally posted by -PLB-
I can only see the outer structure. Maybe you can use your superhuman vision to outline where the floor trusses and core columns are on those images.
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Bazant's model is a model, not an attempt to model the actual dynamics of the collapse. Most people realize this, since it's stated in his paper.
Therefore, whining about how he fit his model - which as stated, doesn't really try to model the actual collapse - is indeed whining about insignificant items when examiing the actual dynamics.
Originally posted by ANOK
Doesn't really try to model the actual collapse?
So what is the point then?
Originally posted by bsbray11
Then you should just stop bringing it up since it proves nothing.
Then you wouldn't have to read me "whining" about how you can never bring anything conclusive or even relevant to the discussion. K?
Yeah, and what's so hilarious is you've been staring at it already for 10 years and still can't comprehend what you are looking at.
Originally posted by -PLB-
The cliché "go look for yourself". I take that as a "no there indeed is no image showing floor trusses being ejected during collapse", else you would have just posted it.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Why is it significant that you be able to make out numbers of trusses and core columns?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
A few years ago it was all about the squibs and the buildings falling into their footprints, which proved they were CDs.
Now they apparently didn't fall into their footprints and the squibs are hardly mentioned. I can't keep up with you guys, you change the story so often. But weirdly your conclusion doesn't alter. Almost as though you'd made your mind up about that first...
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
A few years ago it was all about the squibs and the buildings falling into their footprints, which proved they were CDs.
Now they apparently didn't fall into their footprints and the squibs are hardly mentioned. I can't keep up with you guys, you change the story so often. But weirdly your conclusion doesn't alter. Almost as though you'd made your mind up about that first...
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by smurfy
The cliché "go look for yourself". I take that as a "no there indeed is no image showing floor trusses being ejected during collapse", else you would have just posted it.edit on 30-1-2011 by -PLB- because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
He very clearly lays out the best scenario for collapse arrest, but it collapses to the ground anyways.
IOW, it proves that no CD is necessary to explain why it collapses. Very simple.
But you still haven't got that part right. After 9 1/2 yrs.
Originally posted by -PLB-
So you agree that you can't see any floor trusses on the photos, and you also can not determine if there were or were not any stacked floors among the falling debris, just like me.
As for the "then somehow bounced out 30 + meters", according to you the floors "somehow almost all ejected out 30 + meters". You haven't even made an attempt to give a plausible explanation.