Professional engineer Jon Cole cuts steel columns with thermate, debunks Nat Geo & unexpectedly repr

reply to post by Cassius666


I wasn't attacking you , I was only pointing out the obvious .

Holding a Ph.D., does not automatically make you an expert in building design , architecture , engineering , demolition , explosives , etc.

My honest opinion is that you guys are never going to prove CD . I personally feel that your energy is entirely misdirected . You guys are so focussed and determined on proving CD , that you are all overlooking the obvious .

If you really want to nail some asses to the wall , you should be researching the intelligence failures that allowed 9/11 to happen . Why is it that we hardly ever see a thread concerning this aspect ?

You guys are running around like chickens with their heads cut off , looking for the 'smoking gun' , but none of you are focussing your attention in the right direction .

You want answers , research the intelligence factor . That is where your 'smoking gun' is going to be found .

reply to post by Cassius666

to cut loose the upper section of building to create the banana peel affect. it wasn't needed throughout the rest of the building, because gravity would do the rest of the job.......but high explosives were used to shatter the entire core and knock out the foundations to give the buildings free flow

reply to post by aliengenes

explosives were used to shatter the entire core and knock out the foundations to give the buildings free flow

Not even your fellow truthers agree with this postulation , as all the evidence shows that the foundations of the buildings were pretty-much intact , after the collapses .

Wow, there has been some amusing posts by the trusters in this thread since Ive been gone! We go from ceiling tiles blowing out windows on floors several stories beneath the collapse to the collapsing floors AND the ceiling tiles at the same time causing the pressure (even though the collapse hadnt reached that far quite yet) to comparing the ceiling tiles to a tennis racket as a way of proving it could build enough pressure to blow out windows and debris. Are you trusters forgetting that these windows are designed to withstand high winds on a regular basis? If they were that weak, the cost of replacing windows would outweigh the cost of the building. Maybe that was the real reason Larry said "pull it" and not because of the cost of removing the asbestos. I guess debris wasnt the only thing to go out of the window, truster's logic went as well.

reply to post by aliengenes


Then why did the core remain standing for up to ten seconds after the initial collapse of the towers? The core was simply NOT imploded, it lasted longer than the rest of the structures. There is your proof.

reply to post by okbmd


I never said THE NYFF were the ones. lets assume their fake firefighters that were specifically trained to add fuel to the fire. then slip out undetected before the buildings came tumbling down.

I was only making a hypothesis, lots of variables to consider? and just a single smoking gun must be ruled out because of the sequence of events and how all 3 played out.

murderers don't care who they kill.

reply to post by OptimistPrime

windows are installed from the outside, not inside. winds blow in to force pressure seal, not out

reply to post by aliengenes


I still dont see the pressure of a "tennis racket" being able to blow them out. Thats as much pressure as a swing from a golf club, which Im sure plenty of CEOs inside the offices practiced on a regular basis. I doubt that the ceiling tiles fell at the exact same time to remotely cause the amount of pressure build up needed to eject those windows and the amount of debris that followed.

Also wind blowing around the building would cause a vacuum on the opposite side and if they had such little resistance to those forces wouldnt they be sucked out all the time?

reply to post by okbmd


not all just the center core columns. just one quarter stick of dynamite has enough energy to shock a 10ft thick block of concrete to the point of failure and the only thing you will hear is a low thud when the charge is placed to center and sealed then detonated

my father owned an excavation company from before i was born. it was my job to drill, prime and set charges and shoot. so i know that you can shoot concrete and never leave a foot print. it only needs to disrupted its bond

reply to post by OptimistPrime

well i'm not sure about tennis rackets or ceiling tiles either. i know that the piston affect of millions of tons pushing down on anything is naturally going to push everything out if their are air spaces between. thats a no brainer

reply to post by okbmd


The only failure on intelligence's part was the failure to take something they already knew about seriously. If I said "Hey, okbmd. Im gonna steal your car on thursday!" Wouldnt you do something to make sure I didnt, even if you felt I was bluffing?

reply to post by aliengenes


I dont know about millions of tons. Judging by the amount of building falling to the sides as it collapsed. Now wouldnt the multiple floors between the collapse and the floors in which the windows were blowing out support some of the left over weight?

reply to post by OptimistPrime


The towers were 93 to 95% air inside, when they collapse the air must escape through the path of least resistance, the windows.

reply to post by Illustronic


Look at the picture of the windows blowing out in the original post. They are several floors visible between the dust cloud of the collapse and the windows in question, not including the floors that havent collapsed yet that are hidden under the umbrella of dust. Wouldnt the windows closer to the collapse be the one to blow out first? How many visible floors would you say there were in between?

reply to post by OptimistPrime

The only failure on intelligence's part was the failure to take something they already knew about seriously. If I said "Hey, okbmd. Im gonna steal your car on thursday!" Wouldnt you do something to make sure I didnt, even if you felt I was bluffing?

Which , basically , doesn't refute or negate what I am saying . Although , "bluffing" is not what I was asking anyone to consider . That was not the "only failure on intelligence's" part . It is common knowledge that the intelligence agencies have been bickering and squabbling amongst themselves for years .

Foreign , as well as domestic intell agencies knew something was in the mix , prior to 9/11 . I don't feel that it was a matter of everyone thinking that the perps were "bluffing" . It was more a matter of the agencies refusing to cooperate with each other and share this intell . Somewhere , there is a sniveling little nerd with a pocket-protector who refused/failed to pass along and share intell that would have prevented 9/11 , because 'his' boss instructed him not to do so . And , don't get me wrong , I believe this scenario played out more than once , it was not an isolated incident .

There are indeed people who had the intell that alluded to an upcoming attack , but this intell was not shared and processed among the various agencies and , therefore , the bigger picture could not be articulated .

This , in my opinion , should be where everyone should focus their attention .

reply to post by Illustronic


Why wouldn't the part of the building already collapsing with blown out windows be the path of least resistence? How can you compress air below the collapse when everything above the collapse is blown out already?

reply to post by okbmd


Yes indeed it is strange, because if these agencies want to prevent something there is full cooperation between them, and there was none on 9/11. Confuse and disorientate, divide and conquer. No matter what side of the fence you are on with this subject, we are divided and conquered by the very same people that pulled this off. This is exactly why we havent come to any concrete conclusions.

Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by Joey Canoli

 

I notice you just reposted the same thing except this time you've intentionally omitted the "lifted up" part completely, as if no one ever said it.

Show me the quote from any survivor in stairwell B that says they were "lifted upwards". Your source doesn't quote Kross as saying this. He quotes him as saying that he was nearly lifted off his feet by the wind, then makes the leap to mean that this can only mean that the wind was blowing upwards.

I gave you a quote from Komorowski that says he WAS lifted off his feet by the down blowing wind. And the experiences of a few others. This proves that there was not any upwards wind to any rational person looking for truth. Obviously you are not either one of these.

Before, you were merely repeating a lie. This does not make you a liar, merely ignorant of contrasting testimony that clearly is at odds with what you are claiming. Now you have been corrected to its inaccuracy. To continue puts you into another catagory.

OOOOOOOOOOOOK........ ceiling tiles???? Where in the hell did that come from? They are nothing but loosely pressed fiberboard (lightweight) that fits into a metal grid SUSPENDED by hanger wire. (shakes head in disbelief). Man, you trusters are seriously beggin'... I've been lurking here at ATS for some years now and I, with a heavy heart, think that ATS has sold out and is being paid large sums of money to host these inbred trolls.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
Before, you were merely repeating a lie. This does not make you a liar, merely ignorant of contrasting testimony that clearly is at odds with what you are claiming. Now you have been corrected to its inaccuracy. To continue puts you into another catagory.

This is coming from someone who has been banned more than once for personal insults and keeps coming back with multiple accounts.

Anyone who looks back through the posts will see you're the one butchering witness testimony that I originally posted, and then began completely omitting parts of it and are now just making accusations towards me.

I'm done feeding you, "Pepper." Go back to stalking Richard Gage, please.