The occultist Illuminati purpose behind the gay agenda in the USA.

Bah. It's subjects like this which make me angry at certain types of Christians. They cherry pick passages from the Bible, to suit their arguments, while totally ignoring all context and implication.

You cannot source Old Testament law, in one breathe, to condemn one sin, and then cite New Testament dogma to cover your own butts and trespasses.

All this "Well Deuteronomy and Leviticus says this and that" crap is nothing but hypocrisy when you, yourself, believe that Christ died to save you FROM the price of Mosaic law.

Or did Jesus only die for straight white men?

~Heff

I do not know about cyberspace but whenever the yellow Press sides with those who follow homophobes or racists there is a rise in hate crimes be it attacking gays or other so-called minorities...Do we really want more hatred?? Is it cool to queer-bash ( no disrespect to the gays)?

Anyway do hetero paedos get a free pass??

And don't get me started on occultists!!

reply to post by sonia74


Sonia,

I certainly wouldn't claim to know your situation or what you felt. I was speaking of two women in my life that I respect very much, and who have always been very honest with me, that told me they were not born as a lebian. This is really of no importance to me personally, as it doesn't make a difference to me morally, socially, etc. I'm sorry that you felt so much pain growing up, but I can take no responsibility for said pain. As mentioned, I have people in my life that I care very much about that are homosexuals, and there's no way I would persecute someone for being a homosexual.

Personally, as someone that believes in the Bible, I get offended when I come into these threads and read people talking about "a dusty old book", "fairy tales", "religious bigots", and the like, just because they don't agree with me. To gain respect, you(the plural here, not specifically you) need to treat others with respect. That's something that people on both sides of the issue need to understand. It's hypocritical for homosexuals to bash Christians for their beliefs, and then expect others to respect their beliefs. As a Christian, I believe homosexuality is wrong. I'm not one to go out and preach though, as I have my own demons to fight. It's absurd for me to condemn others. I don't think I'll ever remove the plank from my own eye well enough to try to get at the speck of sawdust in someone else's eye.

As for there being bi-sexuality and homosexuality among other animals, I don't have an answer. As far as I know, God only gave us guidelines for human behavior, not for all of the other animals. I would like to point out that I think you're using false logic to reach a false assumption. For instance, their are plenty of rodents and fish that eat their young. Surely no one thinks, "This happens in nature, therefore it's a part of the natural process for all animals, and could be acceptable for humans." There are all sorts of examples that could be given here. Regardless, just because something is observed in other animals, or has taken place for a long period of time, doesn't mean that it is ok.

In closing, I don't judge you, and I don't look down on your for being a homosexual. I would have no problem treating you like I would any heterosexual. I don't judge myself by my sexuality, and I don't judge others by their sexuality. I do think homosexuals have a higher propensity to define themselves by their sexuality, and I think that this can exascerbate the issue. Anyway, don't let people hurt you or get you down. As a minority that grew up in a backwoods town, I know what it's like to be discriminated against. If someone's being hateful, I promise you their punishment is their life, because they're some miserable people.

reply to post by Diceman22


So what about your Xtian duty to judge people you have never met? What no hatred?? You must be a very funny Xtian. Anyway your post was shocking in its kindness and humanity. Watch out for the fundies!

Have a good day my friend

reply to post by Hefficide


Just so you know, the New Testament does condemn homosexuality, along with a host of other behaviors. I'd bet my last dollar that everyone that judges homosexuals for their sinful behavior has done equally bad things in the eye of the Law.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by Diceman22

 

So what about your Xtian duty to judge people you have never met? What no hatred?? You must be a very funny Xtian. Anyway your post was shocking in its kindness and humanity. Watch out for the fundies!

Have a good day my friend

I assume this is made in jest, but just to make sure, the Bible clearly tells us not to judge others. Also, Jesus spread a message of love, healing, and redemption. Hatred is nowhere to be found in His teachings. And you don't have to type "Xtian", it's a bit childish, no?

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
This is the most disgusting thread I've ever seen on ATS. Really? The gay agenda? It's 2010, time to become civilized, don't you think?

Some people never grow up.

Amen SS!. A conspiracy? If anything it's a conspiracy to deny people the right to live their lives as they see fit, and their right to happiness, where in simply being allowed to live their lives, they harm no one. If anything, they contribute to the common good far more than most of their detractors do.

reply to post by tiger5


Poke the level headed person... lol. I think it's nice to see sensible people who still stick by their beliefs. Although I also think that saying homosexuality is wrong is almost equal to saying it's wrong to have green eyes. I used to consider myself a Christian, but I always had a problem with statements like that. It creates a situation where certain people can never be "truly holy" by that belief system and I think that defeats the purpose of religion, which is supposed to be love and help people. My cousin is gay and a Christian. He was just telling me how conflicted he is... it must be difficult to live thinking you are sinful for something you literally can't change without pretending to be something you're not.

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


I read the first line, got to the “Gay-pedo” remark, stopped reading.

The OP is clearly a raging homophobe, this isn’t about conspiracy, denying ignorance this is about bashing the gay’s. Putting a hyphen between the word gay and pedo, should have you automatically banned from ATS, it’s just blatantly homophobic.

I cannot believe i once got banned for calling the people who thought the world was going to end based on a Simpsons episode got me banned. But it turns out using disgusting terms like “gay-pedo” is perfectly acceptable. I would love to hear the OP attempt to justify this term and a Mod justify why this thread has not been removed and the OP banned.

reply to post by Diceman22


I type Xtian because I want to . I honestly find your decency uplifting. I was quite shocked by it. Have you seen the level of fundamental blathering on ATS? You are a rare person my friend.

I am not being sarcastic at all. In fact I am deathly serious. Hate speach leads to hate beatings in the real wortld.

reply to post by tiger5


Well, please don't let the bad seeds spoil the whole bunch. I hate it that those who claim to be Christians turn others away from the truth because of their misinterpretations.

That's another thing, fellow ATS'ers....don't let the misguided efforts of some turn you off from the truth. The Bible is either correct, or it isn't, but whether it is the truth or not is in no way dependant upon how certain people act. The truth is the truth, and no amount of hateful or hypocritical "Christians" will change that.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by mryanbrown

 

OK, let's look at it one piece at a time, since you insist:

Originally posted by mryanbrown
The gay agenda is quite real, look no further than the perversion of the 1st Amendment.

Once originally held to be the right of free speech, that no man may be silenced or punished for his words. Slowly turned into a political helping hand for industrious money grubbing news agencies, shifting the perception of what free speech is away from the individual to the corporation....

Let us look at the 1st Amendment, shall we:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The U.S. Constitution

Now this Amendment covers freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of assembly. Those "industrious money grubbing news agencies" are covered under the part about freedom of the press, and I'm sure you wouldn't want the Government to start to regulate them, now would you? And since you had the freedom to post the rest of this drivel and are not in danger for posting it, then your right to free speech has not been hindered, thus your point is moot.

And the next phase :]

Free speech is no longer about the individuals right to say whatever they may, it's no longer about the corporation being able to disseminate truth.

It's about the right to self-expression, a protective blanket not just for gays/homosexuals but for the worst offenders... the 'flamers'.

Now we get into that part I was talking about. The hate you have for 'flamers' is not very well hidden. But apparently you feel that 'flamers' don't deserve the same freedom of expression that you enjoy, right?

The 1st amendment is more about protecting a 'flamers' right to dress in ONLY a thong in public during some overly sexualized and nearly pornographic parade. That select group of people, which is the real "gay agenda" would rather destroy communities and families and a centrist way of life than accept we don't accept not so much their sexual choice, but their flamboyant nature.

No, you are trying to stretch the 1st Amendment now to include dress codes. Pretty far stretch there, Bucko... Now since we both live in Phoenix, I'd just LOVE for you to point out to me when exactly anyone can go out into public in JUST a thong? And if you want to talk about "overly sexualized and nearly pornographic parade"s, then let's talk about Mardi Gras in New Orleans and Fantasy Fest in Key West. Both events are repleat with women flashing their breasts for cheap plastic beads, and others wearing nothing but spray paint. Both of these examples, as well as the Gay Pride Parades that you seem to be alluding to are covered however by the right of the people peaceably to assemble. You are not forced to attend any of these events. But your point is taken here, you don't hate queers, just flamboyant queers...

They are literally the most active 'minority' group when it comes to public demonstrations.

And also the only 'minority' group that still lacks equal rights, but how dare we be active! But again, this is covered by the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

So let's just think about this for a second and sum it up.

1st amendment used to be about the individuals right to free speech. Now the 1st amendment is protection for flamboyant homosexuals, and surprise surprise if you say something hateful you can now be punished.

It's still about the right of free speech, but there are limits to that. You cannot yell "FIRE" in a crowded building, and you cannot threaten someone with bodily harm. You can say all kinds of hateful things, but you cannot make hateful threats, and there is a big difference. And that applies EQUALLY to everyone, not just you homophobes.

Total reversal of the intentions behind the 1st amendment.

I think we've proven that this is BS...

And some of you think there's no agenda?

Look no one's saying every homosexual is behind the agenda, or aware of the agenda. But there is an agenda to rapidly push homosexuality at the expense of common sense and the law.

There are two agendas present here. The Homosexual Community has an agenda to achieve equal rights, and the Homophobic Community has an agenda to stop that from happening. I think we can all clearly see which side you are on... Now Good Day Sir!

edit on 19-12-2010 by JaxonRoberts because: (no reason given)

Slam dunk!

I would still like to see his definition of "deviant"

If it means deviating from the norm, then what norm is that which he or she proposes?

Deviant used to mean anyone who practiced anything but missionary style sex, and oh god forget oral sex!

I guess most of us are deviants by that definition, and proud of it!

At least us who do get it and give it..

Thread title alone points out to me that we get some serious bigotry in here from what is likely a religious fundamentalist who does not know what constitutes good logical thinking.

Tying in "occultist" with "gay" (later "pedo") agenda indicates you think that somehow being "occult" is really bad. Tying it in to "gay" makes it seem that you think being gay is very bad (Westboro Baptist Church is that you?). Yes, being "pedo" is bad, but tying it into the latter two groups makes your point bigoted, uneducated, and unsophisticated.

Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by kallisti36

 

Hah, funny you should ask...

There's actually far more media coverage of pedophilia in the recent years than ever before, most noticeably in the last 2.

The LGBT community loves "Precious", a movie about incestuous child rape. Amazon is selling "How To" pedophilia books, CNN is covering it. There are activists FOR pedophilia gaining media coverage. There is a sexual scene where grown women dress up as prepubescent girls for this very reason.

It won't be thrown at you, otherwise you won't accept it. It slowly creeps in over time, it's a shifting base-line.

LGBT community "loves" Precious? Can you cite the stats and source it? Back it up. Have you ever even seen the movie?

Grown women dressing up as prepubescent girls? For what audience in the film?

No doubt a bunch of straight guys with a pedo kink.

So tell me again what this has to do with a so-called Gay agenda???

I could call myself a Christian because I believe in Christ's teachings, but I don't believe in the rest of the bible because much of it is in conflict with Christ. By the mere fact that the bible is a conglomeration of chosen writings put together by man, of which "gods" referenced therein may not be the same god, or the God that Christ spoke of, I can't judge another human being for the consensual things they choose to do which do not harm another. That being said, I personally feel that a relationship between a man and a woman is the reflection of balance. Wether or not homosexuality is a reflection of imbalance, who am I to judge what another person's life path is.

There are so many other things in our society that are blatantly out of balance and obviously wrong that are deemed normal, that it strikes me as odd that people judge so harshly the actions of two consenting adults, which really have no effect on anyone else but themselves.

If Christians actually adhered to Christ's principles (or people just lived with and taught their children a loving and non judgmental moral standard) we wouldn't have to be dealing with having to teach "tolerance" or have to prematurely bring up topics of sexuality in schools, or have to deal with bullying for that matter.

No one should press their ideals on others (gay or straight). It takes responsibility on both sides, not just "Christians". But obviously we are really a long way from being Christ-like, or the loving essence of whatever supposedly positive spirituality we subscribe to.

While I can see where the OP might think on an esoteric level there's maybe a more balanced energetic force behind sex between a male and female, this supposedly was based on the individuals spiritual intentions during the act. So to say that all homosexuals engaging in sex are devolving their souls into the depths of evil would have to entail them having that intent during the act right? If there is any validity in the argument (which I'm not saying there is), it would simply be that homosexuals can't attain the highest level of sexually induced kundalini. But gay or straight, how many people out there engaging in sexual relationships are attempting to do this? So either way, I don't think that tptb are actively trying to cap our solar body attainment through promoting homosexuality. Although I do think they are contributing to the over sexualization of everything we encounter, as well as exposing children to things they are not ready to ponder. To what end? Maybe to focus more on the physical, confuse people, and keep them out of of connection with their spirit, but I don't think this is sexual orientation specific. The only aim I could see out of "promoting" homosexuality is to maybe stir up the pot more for a society that isn't really ready to live and let live, or to maybe lower the population? I don't know. But if attaining your "solar body" is such a concern, worry about yourself not others.

On the subject of rape and pedophilia, that is just simply evil and is not in the same category as homosexual relationships.

Originally posted by kimar
reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard

 

It really concerns me that there are so many homophobic / hate threads on ATS. I'm beginning to feel that I, A GAY MAN, am not welcomed here.

You're not. Homosexuality should not be welcome anywhere. It is a sin.

reply to post by OzWeatherman


No link between pedophilia or homosexuality? what ? or who was following me from the age of 9 till I was a young teen, bothe are perversions, of a twisted make up. Same problem. twisted.

Originally posted by Hahaha

Originally posted by kimar
reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard

 

It really concerns me that there are so many homophobic / hate threads on ATS. I'm beginning to feel that I, A GAY MAN, am not welcomed here.

You're not. Homosexuality should not be welcome anywhere. It is a sin.

Well your not welcome here! Why is it that most hate filled people follow religon. Is that just a coincedence?
Religon breeds evil, its as simple as that. I know that there are good people who devote their lives to their religon, and i don't have a problem with that. But when it comes to hate lovong people like you, thats where i have a problem with religon.

Originally posted by DustyBootz
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

No link between pedophilia or homosexuality? what ? or who was following me from the age of 9 till I was a young teen, bothe are perversions, of a twisted make up. Same problem. twisted.

How is it the same, please explain. Do gay people hurt and abuse children? And before you say yes, some do, well, some straight people abuse children too!

Originally posted by Hahaha

You're not. Homosexuality should not be welcome anywhere. It is a sin.

Then why don't you get stoning him as that is what the Bible tells you to do, no?

Doesn't it also tell you, that you have the right to purchase people as slaves?

Get out of here dupe account and learn to think for yourself. The only cancer upon society are people like you that discriminate against people and would deny them rights because of your inconsistent, illogical beliefs. People like you treated black people as second-class citizens for most of the United States' history, people like you condoned the slavery system in the American South, and people like you continue to crusade against homosexuals.