Islamification of Britain.

reply to post by RimDaas


Yes but we need chapter and verse. The Author of the OP is a fundamentalist Xtian. These people lke togive chapter and verse. Sorry to jump on you but we have very real problems with people who know no Islam whatsover.

So which Hadith would help.

I can you confirm whether or not these arranged marriages are NOt in the Koran but are a Southern Indian Influence.

Rgds

T

Originally posted by FarArcher
They lived there as a distinct minority.

And still are. 3% of the population is Muslim. 90% of the Uk population still describes themselves as "White British".

Originally posted by FarArcher
Nowdays, they're running up the numbers,

Are they? Not doing a good job then. They are still outnumbered by about 12-1!

Originally posted by FarArcher
blocking your streets,

Really? Where?

Originally posted by FarArcher
and you're changing your laws to accommodate them.

Absurd! You are aware of how things are passed into Law in the UK, right? How exactly are they "changing our laws"?

Originally posted by FarArcher
Yeah, I'd say the Britain we used to know is all but finished. One more decade at the most.

Then, just another wild-eyed bunch of Muslims.

Then you know nothing and are merely parroting the usual racist bullcrap that comes from right-wing mouths. A decade to do what, exactly? Britain finished? We've been in far worse positions before and come out the other side.

www.searchtruth.com...
You should also read the book written by Fanar on human rights.

reply to post by RimDaas

the overwhelming majority of muslim peoples i have met on my travels also expressed this opinion. these people also brought home to me the fact that they were not dazzled by greed and selfishness. their families were the most important factor in their lives. at the time this was music to my ears where family life in the uk for me was breaking down due to self indulgence and selfishness. back in the uk there was never a day gone by when i was informed either a relative had destabilised his/her family environment or friends and neighbours were affected by anothers actions.
back to topic.
we cannot ignore the extremist sections of society. these people if they are intent on causing suffering to others need to be scrutinised and singled out for evaluation.
as tiger5 stated we are a successful multi-cultural nation and i for one wish this to flourish. the change in peoples mind as to who are the real enemy i feel needs to be established from the ground up. no stone should be left unturned.
many thanks for your input. do you have any suggestions on how to tackle extremists (not just the muslim element by the way)?
regards f

reply to post by fakedirt


Well we could tackle terrorism by puttign an end to the military occupation in the Middle east. Many muslims have been angered by the occupation and have jonied the extremist. Allowing the veil and mosque minarets etc being legalised could also cure the hatred, however, most government officials will say "NO". This has 10% possibility but if Palestine and Israel could be joined together, creating a united nation in which Islam and Judaism could work together, a lot of Palestinian youth who had a childhood plagued with hatred for the western nations could have a better future and have godo education and live a life where they don't have to listen to hatred given to them from Hamas or whatever

reply to post by RimDaas


it would seem correct in saying all the problems have been instigated and perpetuated by those in power.
a united palestine/israel would i feel be a noble start to a new way. i feel the problem lies in suspicions and greed again. my feelings on this say it would take a world shuddering event for peace to fall into place.
with hezballah withdrawing from the tenuous framework in the lebannon, will this affect relations with syria and further increase friction in and around the bekka valley? i ask this because i feel this area is of great importance to the future stability of the middle east and therefore could be seen as the potential spark that could turn into a fire.
on a local level the uk gives permissions for many churches,temples and mosques to exist. do you see a problem within government of does resistance show itself elsewhere?
with regards to occupation of middle eastern countries by armed forces, i feel many are waking up to the fact it was mainly due to resources and the securing of. a certain british politician branded the 'assistance' nation building.
regards f

reply to post by RimDaas


The irony with that statement is of course the "Muslims" (read extremists - this is their reasoning behind the Jihad) were quite happy to accept NATO help in Yugoslavia, or to protect the Kurds in Iraq but now all of a sudden hate us now we're not needed...

Hmm, thanks...

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by RimDaas

 

The irony with that statement is of course the "Muslims" (read extremists - this is their reasoning behind the Jihad) were quite happy to accept NATO help in Yugoslavia, or to protect the Kurds in Iraq but now all of a sudden hate us now we're not needed...

Hmm, thanks...

Hmmmm......you know something? In Islam these extremists would be called the hypocrites. People who claim to be bringing peace and pretend to be muslims but are actually fighting and bringing destruction.

reply to post by RimDaas


No, they actually read the Qu'Ran and live by it, Martyrdom and Jihad are actually ideas expressed in the QuRan. The QuRan is a direct cause for their awful acts.:

An aspect of martyrdom that seems the most horrific, is frequently addressed by Western scholars and polemicists alike, and is most quickly rejected and denounced by the majority of Muslim apologists today,[26] is the jihad seen in the contemporary Middle East. Since the end of the Second World War and the creation of the state of Israel Muslim terrorism in the Middle East has become more and more common. The theologies of jihad and martyrdom have become topical to a level not seen since the period of the Crusades. However, unlike with the earlier manifestations of jihad, the modern Muslim world now features no centralized authority for interpreting scripture and applying the resulting religious judgements to the civil sphere. Hence, jihad is now, as a recent article states, "freelance": "the result is that almost any band of Muslim malcontents who resent the way the world has treated them can read in the Koran a moral warrant for the most nuance-blind carnage."[27]

Because there is a central authority (like the Pope) in Catholicism their is a limited ammount of control (still evil though).

On the other hand, without a central authority, the Muslims are free to interpret the evil passages written out in the QuRan. And by no means do i agree with the Pope, it's just another dictator, except this dictator is not supernatural. And their are many cults and schisms of Islam, quite a few are Militant.

This religiion is ancient superstition and it's about time the middle east grew of it, for the sake of their own future.

Oh and if i've offended any Muslim, tough. Islam is just an idea like Scientology or any other cult, and i will call it retarded if i think it retards intelligence.

ADDED: I urge anyone to read of the passages in the QuRan invoking deteste for non-believers. If not advocating violence, it advocates extreme prejudice, we need rid of this nonsense.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


Well I do not believe that the fundamentalists that support or participate in terrorism are going to pay any attention whatsover to the impracical arguments of the Envangelical Atheists. Terrorism is a real and PRESENT problem.

reply to post by tiger5


Let's remember that Atheism isn't about politics, yes i'm relaying my PERSONAL ideas and thoughts but their are no goals in Atheism, there is no preaching, there is no superiority complex.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a deity.

There is no reason other than ancient superititon to believe in a supernatural dictator, furthermore there is no evidence, evolution negates intelligent design; it stands in contention to the theory of an omnipotent intervening God. I'm agnostic, present evidence and i will renounce my Atheism. I can't claim there is no God, but somehow religion can? I ask HOW!?

You don't know what the cause of reality is, or whether there is a cause. So saying there is a God and more specifically Allah is no better than saying reality is infinity (no gods) but there's more mathematical evidence - The Mandelbrot set and the Fibonacci Sequence.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


Yes atheism is not about politics. This is a political thread. Therefore you may not be on topic. Again how does this help the problems that may exist now in a situation of clear and present danger?

Perhaps you could argue the party line in front of a mosque near to you. Where are you preaching?

reply to post by tiger5


This isn't political, in our country politics is about the democratic approach not the theocratic approach, That's what i'm standing up against. I'd do this whether i was an Atheist or a Christian, because even Christians realise their supernatural nonsense should stay out of secular society.

I would stand up outside a Mosque if i didn't think matyrdom, jihad and general contempt towards non-believers was preached in the Quran. Unfortunately it is.

Keep this nonsense out of our society, it's horrible fascism disguised as a religion. Just look at the middle east. Don't think religion deserves respect, read the philosophy, read the moral laws, READ, arm yourself. Words are ammunition not bombs. Stop violence, encourage rationalism.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


You have not read the OP nor looked at the youtube clips. I am getting seriously confused. Whatis you stance on multicultuturalism? What is your thought on Islamification. Granted that Moslems are unlikely to follow Atheism. I an not a moslem.

reply to post by tiger5


Nice job responding to my points too, just insult Atheism before understanding it. And before you say i'm ignorant of Islam; i've read the passages, the Quran is nonsense, our country condemns our citizens for burning the Quran because they're frightened, frightened of the war and terror that Muslims will wage and more importantly is because we respect the freedom to believe what ever the heck you want, within reason. They won't censor our free speech and freedom of expression. And they won't censor mine regarding the irrationality and prejudice involved with this cult.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


I am so happy that you have achieved enlightment and have decided to go viral in your atheism. I think we in Britain are looking for an British solution to terrorism. I am all for them having their religious freedom. I do not like giving offence by burning bibles, books or the Quran.

Stop trying to hijack this thread with Atheistic arguments. Why not write an OP?

reply to post by tiger5


This topic isn't about Terrorism, it's about the Islamification of Britian. Sorry if i'm hijacking the thread, if you feel i'm off-topic, report it to a mod.

Anyway, what solutions do you have in mind in regards to Terrorism, especially considering most of the terrorism is religiously inspired?

reply to post by awake_and_aware

I would try the following.

Understand the terorist mindset which is fundamentalism. I would understand Wahabism and its role in Islamic fundamentalism. I would use a multivalent approach and pursue security lines and use counterterrorist acts.


But this is where your evangelical atheistic crusade is misplaced. You go for a "hearts and minds" approach. You do not blanket denounce their religion. You try and have some emotional intelligence and not give offence. You try not to give offence. you try and convert them to the more mainstream islam. I am all for moslems having their own courts provided they do not clash with British law. There would be limits similar to those on the Beth Din.

What would you do? What is your opinin on Multiculturalism?

reply to post by tiger5


They can't have their own courts, they are tried fairly under the same goverment that we have if they want to live in our country. They don't get special laws for themselves.

I'm against their religion because it preaches Jihad and Martyrdom, i think the essense of their belief system is retarding and shouldn't be taught to children.

This won't come about, Sharia law is in direct contradiction against free speech, freedom of expression and secular society, you won't get Islamic libel laws enforced in Britain, And i'd pray to Allah and thank him if believed he existed and/or was listening to prayers.

Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by RimDaas

 

No, they actually read the Qu'Ran and live by it, Martyrdom and Jihad are actually ideas expressed in the QuRan. The QuRan is a direct cause for their awful acts.:

An aspect of martyrdom that seems the most horrific, is frequently addressed by Western scholars and polemicists alike, and is most quickly rejected and denounced by the majority of Muslim apologists today,[26] is the jihad seen in the contemporary Middle East. Since the end of the Second World War and the creation of the state of Israel Muslim terrorism in the Middle East has become more and more common. The theologies of jihad and martyrdom have become topical to a level not seen since the period of the Crusades. However, unlike with the earlier manifestations of jihad, the modern Muslim world now features no centralized authority for interpreting scripture and applying the resulting religious judgements to the civil sphere. Hence, jihad is now, as a recent article states, "freelance": "the result is that almost any band of Muslim malcontents who resent the way the world has treated them can read in the Koran a moral warrant for the most nuance-blind carnage."[27]

Because there is a central authority (like the Pope) in Catholicism their is a limited ammount of control (still evil though).

On the other hand, without a central authority, the Muslims are free to interpret the evil passages written out in the QuRan. And by no means do i agree with the Pope, it's just another dictator, except this dictator is not supernatural. And their are many cults and schisms of Islam, quite a few are Militant.

This religiion is ancient superstition and it's about time the middle east grew of it, for the sake of their own future.

Oh and if i've offended any Muslim, tough. Islam is just an idea like Scientology or any other cult, and i will call it retarded if i think it retards intelligence.

ADDED: I urge anyone to read of the passages in the QuRan invoking deteste for non-believers. If not advocating violence, it advocates extreme prejudice, we need rid of this nonsense.

edit on 15/1/11 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)

However, why are these muslims fighting Jihad, if the most respected mullahs and islamic scholars do not agree with it? Is it just that these extremists are twisting the words in the Q'uran? Last time I knew, it said nothing about bomibg yourself and letting hundreds more civilians die.