5 Myth about Islam

Originally posted by inforeal

There are about 45 Muslim countries were the problems they face are mainly because of European colonialism

More Communism. This stuff was taught in Soviet-schools as a tool to denigrate Western Europe. I cant believe its still being promoted. I thought the Soviets fell.

Ooze can you explain to me why there are so much diffrent sects of islam?(72, same number as the virgins)

How and why did that happen?

The thing about islam is, alot of sheiks and leaders have their own opinion of the quran. No one at all seems right. Sheik A would say Sheik B is wrong, and not to follow him and that he isnt really muslim. Even muslims say some arent even muslims, what chance does the west have?

Invention(taking from other belief and incorpirating it) in islam is a sin. How did people manage that many diffrent sects without punishment at the time?
Why wasnt it only ONE true islamic way?
Not only do people have to choose the right religion but the right sect?
Islam says before you convert others, you must first convert your family. Muhameds uncle was one of the first to reject islam.

You might say they are myths.

But the Terrorist faction of Muslim religion is promoting these myths as truths everyday.

So as long as the uneducated,the slow and the ill are led to slaughter by a religion with imams promoting false promises of virgins is not in any way shape or form a religion of peace.

The sooner the rest of the world figures this out the better the world will be. Not Governments but the people. The people can change their governments but if the people are uneducated then this will continue and only be reported as myths.

This is my opinion.

reply to post by sandmannc40


Now that, i can relate to.

Peace

reply to post by lucid eyes


You know little of history. Most Muslim countries just like most non-white people were colonized by European countries.

For example, Algeria had to fight a long war of liberation against the French.

Even Saudi Arabia was colonized by the British and Turks; at least I hope you saw Lawrence of Arabia and are not just a product of Fox News propaganda

reply to post by rabzdguy


The source of Islam is not Shieks, it is GOD (hence Quran), the word of GOD.

Shieks can say what ever they like, Muslims can follow them as much as they like, man's word will never mingle with GOD's words. They can try to twist and turn as much as they like, in the end, Quran will be there to prove them wrong.

If you don't want to read the Quran and listen to Shieks, then that is not my problem, nor is it GOD's problem.

Originally posted by Kemal
reply to post by oozyism

 

Incorrect. Martyrs do enter heaven straight away. Now I'm not sure wether only Muslims can be martyrs or non-Muslims as well. You can be a martyr in different ways, not just by fighting in a war and dying on the field. Teachers for example will be martyrs as well afaik.

Heard of the judgement day?

Sorry mate, whether martyr or not, everyone will be judged.

Even Mohammad will be there in the judgement day.

reply to post by oozyism


How did they get the knowledge of God? and his desires?

When this was created, it wasn't common understanding that humans existed on a planet, an oblate sphere of matter, never mind how the whole of universal existence came to be. How can Muslims or any other Theists claim to reveal wisdom as to the source of creation AND "his/her/it's" desires or whether it has desires at all? What evidence is there of Allah other than pointing to scripture?

Looking forward to you answering my questions and responding to my arugment.

Peace and Understanding,

A&A

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
reply to post by oozyism

 

Which hundred million people have been killed by which Atheists?
Documentation please?

Communists (count the deaths and murders).

Second Line.

reply to post by awake_and_aware


Well evidence means anything which backs up your belief.

Creationists believe the whole universe is evidence of GOD, it is all connected to GOD.

Let me elaborate.

Everything within this Universe is held together by laws or protocols, what ever you prefer.

If we look at it logically:

1. We have no instance of laws/protocols coming to existence without a creator/intelligence.
2. We have thousands of instance of laws/protocols coming to existence through creator/intelligence (Mad Made Laws/protocols).
3. We have many instances of laws/protocols coming to existence through unknown origin (Universal Laws/protocols).

If you read the above three sentences you would come to one conclusion, that a creator/intelligence must have been responsible for the Universal laws, hence we have no instance of laws coming to existence without it, and many with it.

That is the only fair conclusion.

Unless you use the gap of knowledge and claim that since number 3 is unknown, it wasn't a creator/intelligence.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting

Good, surely it isn't true. It doesn't even make sense. Why be rewarded with virgins when you don't even have a physical body? Is the sex act the highest reward you can imagine? It would be a very small and frustrated mind that came up with that one. lol.

Think about Adam and Eve, they were in heaven, Even became Adam's wife.. Read the rest of the story yourself....

Originally posted by Culdeeson
reply to post by oozyism

 

You say Muslims don't condone killing infidels! They do condone legally killing other Muslims by stoning them to death, or beheading them... They are barbaric, hypocritical self righteous morons, who are not kidding anyone! Go back to your' Koran, and read up on the virtues of human compassion! You don't have a moral right to preach to anyone, especially when you don't practise what you preach!

How is anything above related to the OP?

Only GOD knows.

Read the OP again please, pressing reply shouldn't be primary.
Reading should be primary, pressing reply should be secondary. Baby steps.

Originally posted by imperium1984
In the meantime, here's another source (I'm sure you'll argue this one as well - yet not accepting argument against the Quran, interesting)..

en.wikipedia.org...

Yep.. Terrorist attacks of all kinds there... but scan through the list and you can see most are islamic terrorists.

Your turn.

Is this in the list?

Reporting from Mexico City — Four are killed in what officials call a well-planned trap near a federal police headquarters. It appears to be the first time traffickers have used a car bomb since the start of a military-led offensive against drug cartels.

articles.latimes.com...

Come back and tell me if that is in the list.

If it is not, it must be because they don't have big beards, turbans and long robes, riiiiigggghhht??

reply to post by oozyism


Derp, bombings and suicides are done in the name of Martyrdom and Jihad, principles of the Islamic belief system.

This despicable virus of a religion causes, otherwise moral human beings, to do and say wicked and immoral things in the name of "Allah"

Is the introduction of the crecent moon by Osman considered a sin? Since it wasnt used during prophets period and not even sanctioned by the prophet? If there is breach of a sin in this, why is this symbol used around the world, and especially Maccah itself?

reply to post by awake_and_aware

Whatever your message is...

I stopped reading there.

Sorry mate, if you are not gonna even read the message, and post an automatic response, why should I bother?

Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by oozyism

 

Derp, bombings and suicides are done in the name of Martyrdom and Jihad, principles of the Islamic belief system.

This despicable virus of a religion causes, otherwise moral human beings, to do and say wicked and immoral things in the name of "Allah"

edit on 18/12/10 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)

Killing innocent people is against Islam, read the OP.

Second line.

Interesting Myths that you put out, however, the actions of Islamic nations and history would have a serious disagreement as to what you are stating and prove that those are not Myths, but reality and goals. The first myth, I can not dispute nor say anything against, as it goes into the belief of Islam. Myth 2, that is disputable. As recent events have stated, the Islamic world, when major countries, where Islam is the major belief in the world, are willing to threaten a person over an idea, then that proves that is not a myth. This started with the printing, back in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s of the Satanic Verse, when major Islamic Clerics, the best of the Islamic world, and devout Muslims all called for the death of the author. This is further backed up, by threats of death against the Swedish artist, the American Artist, the creators of South Park, and even when people are wanting to stand up for their rights, those who are good Muslim and followers of Islam, if it offends, will either complain or make threats.
Myth 3, the take over the world through forceful conversions. This is also a point of contentions, when many of the different western countries, start to have a large Islamic population and a large number of Muslims, then it seems like trouble follows shortly there after. In the EU, where they immigrate to the European countries, and in the US, the motives of the Muslim community initially may seem innocent on the surface, however, like a creeping infection, they quickly try to separate themselves from the country, seeking to have one set of laws and rules for themselves, and a second set for others. This has causes points of contention and problems for many citizens who live in the surrounding communities, to the point of violence and problems. Even in the US, it has been stated by a prominent member of the Muslim community in Oklahoma, that if he has a problem with his neighbor, the rest of the community would not have to deal with such, as it would be dealt with by the Islamic community, often subverting the laws of the country in the process.
Myth Number 4: That can be disputed, as many of the Islamic countries, where religion is often the guiding force in the country, and the courts, many times, those who are found to have lost belief in Islam and choose to no longer be a Muslim, are often imprisoned, or killed for merely choosing to follow another path. This is cause those countries choose to use Sharia as a guiding in the courts, even though it may be forbidden in the Qur’an. Those who are not comfortable with doing such, then they often will change the charge, from changing religions, to that of treason against the country and thus keep its population from having that option.
Myth Number 5: The extra tax on the non Muslims:
This may be against the Qur’an, however, it is still very much carried out by the different Islamic countries, in different forms, from a poll tax, for those who vote, to even extortion, as was reported during the 2007 in Iraq. Many in Afghanistan, who are not Muslim are often viewed with suspicion and are having to pay more just to survive, if not from the local leaders, then to say the Taliban that comes in. Though they may not classify it as a tax, though they still find means to still get this enforced.

Originally posted by rabzdguy
Is the introduction of the crecent moon by Osman considered a sin? Since it wasnt used during prophets period and not even sanctioned by the prophet? If there is breach of a sin in this, why is this symbol used around the world, and especially Maccah itself?

The crescent moon and star symbol actually pre-dates Islam by several thousand years. Information on the origins of the symbol are difficult to ascertain, but most sources agree that these ancient celestial symbols were in use by the peoples of Central Asia and Siberia in their worship of sun, moon, and sky gods. There are also reports that the crescent moon and star were used to represent the Carthaginian goddess Tanit or the Greek goddess Diana.

islam.about.com...

Muslims are stuck with culture.

That is why some Muslim are still practicing stoning, when stoning is not even Islamic, it is a Biblical law.

They are merely following their forefathers blindly, and that is also against Islam, to follow your ancestors blindly.

Quran says, if you do that, you will inherit their mistakes, or sins. Because if they did sin, you will follow that also.

reply to post by oozyism


As per your doctrine, innocent people would only be the people following the will of Allah. It is written in the Qu'Ran to convert all non-believers. We won't be converted and we won't stand for the dogmatic nonsense quite frankly.

Matyrdom and Jihad are concepts in the QuRan, all that is needed is a misguided interpretation and you've got suicide bombers blowing children up in the name of Allah.

You can only derive your belief in Allah from a document, some scriptural writing. This is not evidence of the metaphysical claims of Islam, and thus not evidence of Allah even existing..

4:89 they long that ye should not believe even as they disbelieve- take them and kill them wherever you find them. 9:123 kill the non-believers 9:29 kill the non-believers. 9:28 kill all non-believers until only islam. 2:193 slay and kill non-believers 9:5

People have noticed that your posts are often short, and have an evident lack of substance, intelligence or even any polite discourse.

These are my opinions, i have replied politely.