Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

reply to post by Brood


your comparison is not quite right. it'd be more like: he has to buy special shoes, that unfortunately don't make his feet look any smaller, causing him to look "less than professional" . if he wants to keep his job or get a promotion he has three choices: 1) find another pair of shoes that downplay the size of his feet at considerable expense, 2) get an operation to make his feet more in keeping with the company's image, also at considerable expense (not to mention dangerous) 3) get a new job.

it would indicate the conspiracy was against people with abnormally large body parts, if viewed in context of the same issues arising over large breasts. but if taken by itself, would indicate the human prediliction to view anything that's different than the "norm", as less than ideal (due to human prejudices).

reply to post by undo


And again you're confused. Nobody wants them to look smaller; they just want them covered in a layer of fabric.

What about a gay man? Suppose i'm your boss, and you come to me dressed like that. It's totally lost on me, as I don't lust after your "assets" on display.

Do you consider me a oppressor because I decline your request for a pay raise/promotion up the corporate ladder? Suppose I know you don't perform well enough to warrant a pay raise/job promotion, or the economy just simply sucks. Rather then give everyone a pay raise, I keep them on staff. I would think a job is better then no job at that point...

Note: Some guy comes to me with a tight pair of shorts/jeans on showing his "assets" down south, and I won't care either. time and a place for everything. Suppose i'm in a relationship with someone? I'm not lusting after the guy either in a case like that!

Your asset to me (guy or girl) is how well you perform at the company. Not underneath the desk, Not with revealing clothing, etc etc. See where I am going?

Maybe I do think of someone in a sexual way. who wouldn't? However, I'm one of those that won't stick someone in a position just because they look hot/wear something revealing...

I'm probably just a fossil compared to everyone else today with my thinking! And i'm not that old either...

as a case study of what you mean by "a layer of fabric," i did some research on the topic of how breasts might cause so many problems and what a little bit of fabric might entail for a large breasted woman.

i found things like "muslim cleric claims improper coverage of women's bodies cause earthquakes", which was entitled "Boobquake.",

women in india having to get their own subway,

and women in iran having to get their own female only taxi service.

apartheid of women growing exponentially, for various reasons, mostly stemming from the belief that women are not actually human beings but sexual deviants who's immoral activity causes earrth quakes. i think women were categorized as 50% human. and of course, we can regularly be blamed for things like active fault lines or not covering some part of our anatomy with a little bit of fabric.

now i say to that, oh i would much rather cover my cleavage (in fact, i don't think i own much in the way of cleavage creating clothes anyway, especially now that there's only 1 and i think it takes 2 to create cleavage) than endanger the lives of others.

i agree that cleavage is not a necessary feature in a corporate setting, and i for one will not be wearing anything of the sort, for the sake of earthquake relief for my country, and the planet.

I have a number of issues with the people who support this position

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Being asked to cover up my cleavage, when the office does not require uniforms, is oppressive, and a conspiracy against women. Women have breasts. Some women, like me, have rather large breasts. I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.

 

Is asking a female to not show cleavage oppressive, or sexist?

 

And it is the females choice to show cleavage, as it is the males choice to show ill restraint when confronted with said cleavage.

Just becasue the business appears male dominated does not mean us women need to take this kind of oppression.

 

Many of my dress blouses show cleavage. I don't care what someone else thinks of my cleavage, if it bothers you (in general) look elsewhere.

Originally posted by Xiamara
As a woman with fairly large cleavage, Its very hard to cover the girls up, unless you bind your self. I think it is sexist we can't help our breast size, so why should we be condemned because our genetics make us a little top heavy.

I have a friend who is a DDD (was a G) and the only way she can cover them up is wearing baggy clothing and that's just unprofessional.

Originally posted by Aeons
Cultural fetishes are only ingrained into those who don't have enough brain executive to be able to evaluate themselves.....

 

Western boob fetish is less than a hundred years old. It has DRASTICALLY changed in a very short period of time. Why are you under the impression the current fascination is going to be lasting?

Sounds like you blame women for your inability to control yourself.

There is a distinct difference between the man whose looks, and the man who can't control himself. Not being able to control yourself is something you allow yourself. It is a psychological thing.

In a room with 300 hundred naked people, and in twenty minutes most people don't even notice anymore. But you have an excuse you grant yourself, and then to give yourself some extra boundary you then project your issue onto the women around you.

 

Women being attractive makes some men incapable of controlling themselves, which makes them angry, and that must be your fault. Your DOING something to them. Mocking their self-control.

 

See - there is a big difference between someone noticing and someone being ridiculous. Some of the guys on here describing how they react - they aren't gentlemen. Gentlemen notice, they just don't ....call attention to it and continue to make it into a big deal.

 

Perhaps they are sad that in the modern workplace that pretty girls have diminished the effectiveness of their ass-kissing?

Originally posted by Shikamaru
Who in history decided showing breasts at all was uncivilized?

Originally posted by IceHappy
There is nothing wrong with showing off your assets

Originally posted by RicoMarston
If a man is distracted by an attractive lady's clothes, it's his problem, not hers.

"Is asking a female to not show cleavage oppressive, or sexist?"

reply to post by vcwxvwligen


i'm giving you one chance to edit your post before i respond to it.
here's your opportunity.

Yea this is one of the stupidest arguements I have read. This just confirms to me their are to many lawyers in this world. Nothing like trying to destroy the human psyche in such a way. Female oppression over cleavage? Being an animal will soon be outdated. We must all become senseless drones..

reply to post by vcwxvwligen

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reply to post by vcwxvwligen


Where did this theory that a bulk of sexual harassment cases involve women with small breasts come from?
I had a bit of a search around and I could find no evidence to support this strange claim.
Feel free to provide any proof of this theory,I would be more than amazed if any evidence for this could be found.

The other theory that all small breasted women are "late bloomers" is absurd to say the least.

It takes three to five years from the time your breasts start growing until they reach their full size. The age when you start to develop does not have an effect on the final size of your breasts. For example, if you develop earlier than most girls, this doesn't mean that you will have bigger breasts than most girls.

proof

There are way too many too many theories about breast and shirts here, and very strange theories at that.
Some people like to wear frilly and floral tops, with a never ending choice in cuts and necklines.
It's called style, just so you know we women don't choose our top designs bases on the "ease" of which we could be fondled against our will.All these theories come off as creepy.

For the record I think cleavage at work is in general not on, unless it's part of the "uniform", or lack there of.

reply to post by undo


Yes, that post you asked the former poster to edit was ridiculous hyperbole. The thing he might not realize, especially if he is extremely young, is that immature people of both sexes tend to bait the other into stupid hyperbole. If he has a bone to pick with a certain type, he needs to realize that that type is far from all women, only a minority. And even that minority, in my experience, likes to test a man's wits too see if he either A: going to respond knee-jerk or B: if he is going to acquiesce and give into manipulative stupidity. If he holds his ground, fighting back, but in an amusing softball way, the woman is usually happy. An intelligent, social man of character can defuse nasty female behavior pretty easily most times. Men do the same thing to women. And a clever woman can tame that man as well. And the younger they are, the more they do it. It is part of the trick of the sexes figuring out whether the other actually gets them, and hence cares about something outside of their little tunnel realities. The truth about the other gender, whether one is man or woman, is not going to be laid out on a silver platter. It is to be discovered, but never FULLY discovered. It shows that one actually has a will of their own, and that the will actually seeks something outside of itself.

reply to post by undo


Yeah, but men who blame women for these things think you have some sort of mystical powers over nature itself, as if you are Mother Earth or something. So whatever system they have going is doomed to fail, because they have projected the power upon you, giving you license to destroy that system. Probably shouldn't be a "traitor" like this, but oh well. On the flip, women who blame men for everything think they have some sort of omniscient, arch-programming powers over society, which eventually weakens them to being programmed by men. You see, in a world in which both men and women have power, the nasties of both sexes are eventually rooted out. No specific laws necessary. No gunshots needed. Just good old fashioned gradual attrition due to social isolation.

As an employer, I couldn't care less about the % of cleavage shown ... as long as they show they have lots of, what I consider the most genuine, sexiest and hardest body part to be replaced by silicones ... BRAINS!

So, original poster, I think you need to post a photo of yourself in the offending garb so we can better define whether your conduct is inappropriate, just kidding.

vcwxvwligen
Just like how men should control themselves in response to sexual cues, woman should control their PMS-induced reactions.

@ vcwxvwligen,

I agree, very similar positions, and I actually think men are better at not acting out a response, but how you feel is how you feel, can't modify that to save your life, biology is biology.

Originally posted by smalco
As an employer, I couldn't care less about the % of cleavage shown ... as long as they show they have lots of, what I consider the most genuine, sexiest and hardest body part to be replaced by silicones ... BRAINS!

Ah, but you're in France mon pote

Originally posted by smalco
As an employer, I couldn't care less about the % of cleavage shown ... as long as they show they have lots of, what I consider the most genuine, sexiest and hardest body part to be replaced by silicones ... BRAINS!

And how would you feel if an employee distracted others from focusing on their job.

It doesn't have to be breasts. But let's stick to something of a sexual nature.

We are basically animals with natural instincts. Is one person's personal preference more important then the whole - - in a business productive setting?

reply to post by Annee

I fully agree with you!

But, I'd probably first reprimand/fire the woman or man (although less likely) that would knock on my door and waste 10 minutes of my precious time whining about a co-worker showing a little too much of her assets. I'd call that offensive, conservative and un-productive, not exactly the profile I'd hire. Then again I'm European ...

Originally posted by smalco
reply to post by Annee

 

I fully agree with you!

But, I'd probably first reprimand/fire the woman or man (although less likely) that would knock on my door and waste 10 minutes of my precious time whining about a co-worker showing a little too much of her assets. I'd call that offensive, conservative and un-productive, not exactly the profile I'd hire. Then again I'm European ...

LOL - Love the "I'm European".

Bottom line - - this entire thread can be summed up in one word "Productivity". If you are a business owner.

If something interferes or disrupts productivity - - ya gotta draw the line - - no matter what it is. Its that simple.

However - culture can play a part. In some cultures women might be expected to dress sexy. It might actually be more of a distraction for a woman to cover up.

Originally posted by undo
i don't know why this subject is so sensitive for men, who even agree that the problem is their perception of them. if it's your perception, can't you figure out some way to redirect the energy without requiring your female counterparts hide themselves in such extreme ways?

I snipped the examples because you are so into keeping this on topic.

I didn't agree that it's our perception. I said it was women wanting to have it all.

YOU are saying it's our perception and then moan that women have to go out of their way to hide themselves. I disagree with both statements. There is nothing wrong with decorum. You aren't above it, no one is. To quote HBT, "Deal with it."