Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Um who said I show off my puppies in a professional setting? I don't recall mentioning my employment status. I offered an opinion on how I might react to such.

I am saying men have no self control, because more than one poster has claimed men cannot control themselves when they see cleavage. This is a lack of self control.

it is your OP....

regardless of you telling us exactly what you do for work, you said in your own words,

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

Personally, here is how I feel. Being asked to cover up my cleavage, when the office does not require uniforms, is oppressive, and a conspiracy against women. Women have breasts. Some women, like me, have rather large breasts. I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.

as far as men having self control... men are going to look, depending on their particular definition of attractive, some men might have a physical reaction

the self control comes into play when they don't club you over the head and drag you into the back room to have their way with you... the caveman scenario I call it...

I could easily say that you lack self control by the way you lump all men into one category and assume that they all just want to leer at your breasts

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
I can completely see where Undo is coming from. She subtly turned the question around from is it appropriate to show cleavage to is it ok to discriminate against bigger breasted women....

Hopefully you were able to keep up with all of this, and can debate and/or give your opinion without your mind getting all twisted around and confused just by thinking about boobs.

Thank you for that last part. It makes my upcoming point valid. I was going to keep this to myself but I guess we have to go there. This is the type of attitude that society has been putting up with for too long. If you're a woman you can have your cake and eat it too. That is the basis of the OP and undo's topical misdirection doesn't change that. I'm all for women's rights but I'm against women having all the rights.

Let me see. You are saying women can have their rights, but not the right to bare all. Correct? Personally, I think women should be conservative anyhow. The idea of what is conservative is different no matter where you go. I hate to say this, but some work places are much more conservative than what I have seen people wear to some churches. Go figure.

Yet what some want totally covered is a natural part of the woman. It is a part of who she is, and a part of her self esteem. Maybe we should look more into the question as to why some women feel the need to bare them, or show cleavage. Is it that by showing cleavage, it helps give her more self esteem and therefore able to work better? Is she just attention seeking? Looking for a mate? Or is it that she just feels way too hot stuffed in the proper business attire, and she needs just a little ventilation? I know sweat under big breasts is highly uncomfortable, and the wetness can develop nasty rashes in the course of the day Having them mashed down to minimize them can also be uncomfortable, and trap in the moisture. Sometimes it is not that easy to go in the bathroom and dry everything down.

Now I will re-ask the question keeping in mind the information above, is showing some cleavage ok at work. If you need visuals, please see my other post that has the images. Then you can tell me how much is ok by letting me know which image is and is not appropriate business attire.

As a general rule of thumb, if you are arousing more attention than is necessary by showing your private parts off in public then that is a sign that you are dressed in a manner that is saying to men "I want to kiss somebody". This is compounded by putting on excessive lipstick and makeup that makes it look like you are blushing...

Anytime a woman is dressed that way, and has the makeup on, and stuff, you know it took at least 30 minutes staring at herself in front of a mirror making fine adjustments and such, it's not like they're unintentionally doing it. They completely know what they are trying to look like when they are doing it.

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Maybe we took it incorrectly, but you did say, "because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts (sic)."

You really are making this easy.

Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Maybe we should look more into the question as to why some women feel the need to bare them, or show cleavage. Is it that by showing cleavage, it helps give her more self esteem and therefore able to work better?

But a potential reaction from a man is called a lack of self control. Like I said, have your cake and eat it too.

Now I will re-ask the question keeping in mind the information above, is showing some cleavage ok at work. If you need visuals, please see my other post that has the images. Then you can tell me how much is ok by letting me know which image is and is not appropriate business attire.

It depends. Work attire will be different from place to place. You're not going to see the same attire in Walmart that you will at Hooters. But from the OP I would say we were looking at a more conventional workplace so I would have to say #3 is out. The other 2 looked fine to me.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Brood

 

Where have you proven me wrong? Thats subjective. I firmly disagree.

I and other have given examples for every other incident of how this same type of control of work attire is applicable to men and in ways MORE controlling for men and detrimental to their career ladder just as much as women.

The argument about extremely large breasts is moot because not only have we had things called custom tailors for more than 2 thousand years, but their are endless clothing lines that cater to ANY body type for any type of clothing (casual, formal, etc.).

This is not a conspiracy against women. Drop it.

Originally posted by intrepid
You really are making this easy.

But a potential reaction from a man is called a lack of self control. Like I said, have your cake and eat it too.

It depends. Work attire will be different from place to place. You're not going to see the same attire in Walmart that you will at Hooters. But from the OP I would say we were looking at a more conventional workplace so I would have to say #3 is out. The other 2 looked fine to me.

Was it suppose to be hard?

Point well taken when considering people can't always control themselves women as well as men. That is why the Bible says to dress conservatively, but many don't heed it or the warning behind it. The only time I have my cake and eat it also is either alone with hubby, or out on a date with him.

Thank you for answering the photo question.

That gives a little bit of base line as to probablly what would be acceptable. For the OP to argue to want to bare more than that, she is going to have a hard sale. She never really stated or shown how much cleavage she is talking about. Most seem to react to her like she wants to bare it all as in image 3. She will have to say.

intrepid, it is probablly as hard for me to get into a man's mind as it is for a man to get into a woman's mind. Question about image 2. If the right woman was in that business suit, would the cleavage distract you? Say she wore a top to cover the cleavage under the suit, would she still be as distracting to you?

Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Question about image 2. If the right woman was in that business suit, would the cleavage distract you? Say she wore a top to cover the cleavage under the suit, would she still be as distracting to you?

I'm not a boob man. The distraction may be mental though. "Is she being serious here?" Or Dr. Phil like, "What were you thinking?"

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Question about image 2. If the right woman was in that business suit, would the cleavage distract you? Say she wore a top to cover the cleavage under the suit, would she still be as distracting to you?

I'm not a boob man. The distraction may be mental though. "Is she being serious here?" Or Dr. Phil like, "What were you thinking?"

Go with he Dr. Phil, I'm in a weird, humorous, hormonal mood. Hubby isn't here to pick on. Which just might be good for him.

If I get any weirder today, I'll be singing if your wacky and you know it clap your hands. Don't worry, it's all good, and I won't go off the deep end, then again maybe I already have.

Your response about the images answering which one is appropriate, has just gone up in respect since you are not a boob man.

Thanks for humoring me.

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And for the millionth time, you made it about yourself, right in the OP. You cannot make a statement, then tell people to ignore it in the debate. It just does not work that way.

I am darned tired of being oppressed by females in the workplace!! I will make a deal with you. Don't put your cleavage in my face and I won't put my face in your cleavege.

I think what happens is, if a woman is naturally well endowed and doesn't have anyone willing to sponsor her into polite society, she will become a target of people who make a living off of attractive, disadvantaged women. i think this is where it seeps over into the real conspiracy, as the good ole boys network have profiles on these ladies, and if they show up at their business looking for a respectable job, they'll be harrassed a great deal, either via being passed over for promotions or promoted only for specific favors that aren't work related. in this manner, they have successfully pushed well-endowed, attractive women, struggling to become respectable, back onto the street in hopes their real talents can be used to the benefit of pervs everywhere.

i think that's a global thing though and may be a bit more related to something much worse than a couple humans being sexist.

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I'm sorry but you should try to have been a white male for the last 30 years if you want to know a thing or 2 about discrimination. We're paying for the sins of the past and the toll is HIGH. Just look at family court for one thing.

Gotta make this quick before shoving off for the night.

Fiefdom. How to set up a personal private fiefdom in an employers place of employment while screaming "Victimization " and thereby getting all the makeovers at someone elses expense and risk. How to default through on any issue which causes chaos. Ordo Ob Chao..order from chaos...cause the chaos such that the new order or fiefdom can now be established.

The other word for this is "High Maintenance.

Thanks,
Orangetom

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you know i realy dont care no offence but women are more likey to be hired for a job now adays so those 3000 went and looked else where and found one im sure

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People need to get over cleavage already! ALL women have breasts, (well, most do), and it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my cleavage.

If I were to write this comment like this

People need to get over penises already! ALL men have a penis, (well, most do), and it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my penis.

How would you feel about that?

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i know, i'm not saying white males don't have their own problems in the work place. we're talking specifically about how a woman's body type and related clothing can seriously effect her job options. not every boss is a white male either. some of these bosses harrassing the busty brigade, are not white or even heteros (or male for that matter).

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by Advantage

 

You ain't seen me in my speedos luv.

You'd give me a job.

Nope, Looks have nothing to do with employment.. the ability to suck up and brown nose is the determining factor.. and a little bit of that whole job performance nonsense. You already lost the job.

Of course looks have to do with employment. You are naive if you think that is not true. If you go to an interview wearing no shirt, a kilt and no underwear..... You think you will get hired? No.... Why? because looks have a lot to do with it.

I would venture to bet that people are more likely to hire some one they find attractive than some one they find ugly.... It's human nature

Perhaps it's time that men start wearing pants that show the top part of their penis.

It's the same thing, You could use the argument that I'm just to big to find a pair of pants that doesn't cover the root of my goods. Or it's just a penis. Or it's so hot I had to wear something cool.

It shouldn't be considered indecent if you aren't showing off the head.

After all, it's natural.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I would venture to bet that people are more likely to hire some one they find attractive than some one they find ugly.... It's human nature

I don't know about that. Especially if the boss is female. She's not going to want the competition.