Sexist Female Oppression? Cleavage In The Workplace

So if women can show off their "best assets" then I should be able to also. So what would happen if I walked into a workplace with skin tight leather pants? I could even put glitter on that "special area" to draw more attention to it. Im sure my boss would just be throwing promotions my way wouldnt she?

Its no secret women use their breasts to get ahead in life. Promotions to free drinks it always seems to work. Now the one time when it doesnt work its discrimination? Please this is a joke.

Originally posted by oniris
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

hehehe, I'm a male, and no, I'm not in any way affiliated with the feminist movement. I do think that someone being offended or obfuscated by cleavage have some guilt issues to deal with

Yes they probably do however understand that it is not offense that is the issue here. To me this is simply a matter of professionalism and equality. In the workplace men are expected to dress a certain way, women should expect the exact same treatment, if they want special treatment then they are no longer arguing for equality. I like cleavage, most men like cleavage but a job is about working, not showing things off to try and get attention.

Originally posted by AndrewJay
So if women can show off their "best assets" then I should be able to also. So what would happen if I walked into a workplace with skin tight leather pants? I could even put glitter on that "special area" to draw more attention to it. Im sure my boss would just be throwing promotions my way wouldnt she?

Its no secret women use their breasts to get ahead in life. Promotions to free drinks it always seems to work. Now the one time when it doesnt work its discrimination? Please this is a joke.

edit on 17-12-2010 by AndrewJay because: (no reason given)

women sometimes use their bodies to 'get ahead' in life because thats something they sometimes feel they have to do, simply because its a male dominated world. Its societal brainwashing on both sides.

that being said, I think everyone should dress professional at work.

So you think women should show off their breasts, yet men are usually the ones getting in trouble for sexual harassment in the workplace...

That's like if I parked my car in the middle of a road, and then was surprised if someone hit it.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I think you should act like an adult and cover your cleavage. It's sexual liberation, nothing more. There is not one valid reason to show off cleavage other than "I want to".

If I had my shirt opened as far as women who show significant cleavage, it would look like someone let Chewbacca loose. It's simply inappropriate for *work*.

Most companies have a 2"/2 button dress code anyways. And should it not be in the dress code, and you are asked to cover up because you are making others sexually uncomfortable then deal with it.

As a man I've had no issue asking female coworkers to cover up their obligatory cleavage. And once was accused of sexual harassment, HR and the law disagrees.

"You have no right to ask us not to be beautiful women." No one is asking you to, they're asking you to stop being sexual in nature and giving them wood.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
LINK

Last week, a survey commissioned by Dragons’ Den entrepreneur Peter Jones claimed that women who display too much cleavage at work could end up sabotaging their careers.
The survey of 3,000 managers found that almost half of bosses had overlooked a woman for promotion if she had regularly worn low-cut tops to attract attention.
Sexist - or just common sense? Here, four writers argue whether it’s ever acceptable to parade plunging necklines

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Personally, here is how I feel. Being asked to cover up my cleavage, when the office does not require uniforms, is oppressive, and a conspiracy against women. Women have breasts. Some women, like me, have rather large breasts. I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.

So, in your experience, as employees, employers, coworkers, men and women, what do you think? Should women be allowed to show cleavage in the workplace? Is asking a female to not show cleavage oppressive, or sexist?

I find it disgusting that some bosses overlook some females just because they show cleavage. I think that reflects the perversion of thought in the boss's own mind, personally.

People need to get over cleavage already! ALL women have breasts, (well, most do), and it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my cleavage.

Men must be very frightnened of the power of the breast if they are passing cleavage minded woemn over for promotions, simply due to cleavage baring!!

to quote:

The Female Breast In History

During the rise of motion pictures, women tended to get parts that fit the stereotypes associated with their body types. Women with larger chests were viewed as sexual beings: lower class women who used their big busts to attract a mate, such as Marilyn Monroe in How to Marry a Millionaire. Movie stars such as Monroe, Brigitte Bardot, and Sophia Loren fit this category. Small-chested movie stars were a minority that included Katharine Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn. They were not viewed as sex symbols but as symbols of upper class sophistication, and wit. While Marilyn Monroe was type cast as a golddigger and a bimbo, Katharine Hepburn played such characters as a missionary and a political activist. The breasts are viewed as symbols of sexuality, and the modern stereotype of what is sexy is not consistent with the stereotype of what is considered intelligence.

The more bosom, the less brain. That's the law of nature; that is why the poor miserable females are the way they are.

The author, Isabel Allende, of course is not asserting the last sentence to be truth, she is using irony to show the prevailing notions. The fact is, these are still the prevailing notions, and women who show off their breasts at work are going to be judged similarly. If you're a stripper, a prostitute or a Hooters waitress, fine, breast displays are appropriate. However if you want to be respected at work in most jobs, it's both sensible and polite to dress in a way which is not drawing attention to your breasts.

When my daughter, who is quite nice looking, got a promotion which meant she would be interacting face to face with representatives of global firms, I got her a very feminine, modest, fine woollen suit to wear when giving presentations. Since she started wearing suits like that she has found clients treating her with more respect, and asking that she be present for higher level meetings. As her boss is aware of that, he's now giving her even more challenging responsibilities. However her immediate superior, a woman who flirts, shows off her chest and evades any serious work, is still boasting about how well her low necklines are working to make the bosses favour her, but is puzzled why she missed out on the last round of promotions.

If you want a promotion, it's wise to understand what type of attire the boss would expect someone in that higher position to wear, and dress as if you already have that position.

If you want a job representing your business to the outside world, you need to get yourself an image your company will be proud of, not one that merely caters to your own ego.



Considering the effect that healthy, attractive, exposed breasts have on the average straight male, one could make a case for insistant over-exposure of breasts at work constituting sexual harrassment.
Even as a bearer of such breasts, I certainly don't want them pushed in my face while I'm working.

Well, as a man, how about I wear a pair of ridiculously tight trousers to get attention from the females I work with?

Or why don't men start wearing trousers with a little gap in the fabric round the crotch area to reveal a tantalising little glimpse of ball-sack? Wouldn't you females be distracted? Well, don't be surprised when men can't help stealing a little glimpse of cleavage.

John

The Et Corn Gods language of the word "Breasts" is:

"Teases"


Breasts:
br = b+r, "T".
Therefore:
Breasts = "Teasts"
T is 20, bae, Ue
Therefore:
Breasts = "Teas ues = "Teasse".
e+66+66 ... = "SS".
Therefore:
Breasts = "Teases".

"Broad Game Play"

B is Boron, "Broad". (drop the "o", N is 14, "ad").
re+66+66 .. = "Game".
As T is atomic symbol 20, "Ca".
Cas = "Sa".
Sa-66 = "125", "Ay".
add 0+66+66 ... = "Pl".
Therefore:
Breasts = "Broad Game Play".


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Bottom line is about professionalism. If you think it's professional to wear low cut tops - and your boss/managment disagree... doesn't really matter if you agree.

Conform or not, your choice - but don't whine about the consequences. They are what they are.

Dudes see ladies with plunging necklines as less professional. You even stated that it's your "best asset"...

If that's the case, then I sure as hell wouldn't put you in a position of responsibility because boobs are not going to help you make command decisions.

You can look hot and professional without looking like a pin-up. Big ones or not. Lots of cloths out there FOR THE OFFICE that look good and cover up those bad boys.

Originally posted by janon
Boom I think I got rid of her. Anyway, here is a page with a lot of nicely dressed females and a few not so professionally dressed also. Still SFW

www.glamgalz.com...

Yeah - "boom" a working mother of three went to sleep at 1:30 am. You're the man.

Most of the women on your link are not large chested. Most of them are average or smaller.

The one that isn't, is dressed using one of the techniques I posted.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Women have breasts. Some women, like me, have rather large breasts. I love my breasts, they are a part of me I refuse to hide them. Many of my shirts are V cut, because I enjoy showcasing my best assetts, and I would hope that my work would be what people judge, not my breasts.

I am a man, and i love my manhood, so should i showcase it in the public, the answer is no. This is the way this society is, nudity is taboo. There is a reason for this also because in the beginning there were no separate male and female beings, we were all androgynous, there were no breasts or distinct male and female organs attached to us, then came some insecure beings who wanted to rule everything, so they lure us by telling that we will receive great powers if we do as they say. There strategy was to divide and rule, and they accomplished this by dividing us into male and female counterparts.
The men did not like those big round things on females chest and females did not like that dangling part between the legs of men. The thing that cannot be divided is your soul, behind every face whether male or female the soul remains the same.
So this no fault of you or the company or the co workers because these superficial differences of male and female were created to cause conflicts and confusion and keep humanity under their control.

If you want to know more there is a thread that i created on this:
Credo Mutwa Says Humans were Androgynous.

In no way am I a prude. In fact some people say I might be a little too open minded. But business is business and there is a proper way to dress when at work. I myself would rather see a well dressed woman in a suit showing a little bit of leg with nice heals in the business entourage than a chick wearing a low cut shirt to destract from her lack of skills. It's to bad that some of them actualy advance in their carreer due to their looks. And it's not opression, it's good ethics.

Originally posted by calstorm
I have to laugh at those who say large chested women can't help but show their cleavage or that they have to wear baggy shirts. Not true. I speak from experience. Button down blouses may be slightly more difficult but a thin tank underneath remedies that.

Hahahahahahahahaha....yeah, busting buttons are totally not noticeable so long as you're wearing a camisole.

reply to post by hotbakedtater

People need to get over cleavage already! ALL women have breasts, (well, most do), and it should be MY choice how I want to dress or display my cleavage.

Indeed it is but you women are very confusing (some may say confused) species and it is sometimes difficult for a bloke to know how to behave.

If I go to the newsagent there are entire shelves dedicated to breasts be it in magazines or newspapers some are barely covered often as not they are rarely covered. When out and about at night it is not long before the breasts are getting aired at what seems to be every given opportunity.

When I go to the beach I'm surrounded by almost alpine volumes of bare breasts and occasionally some are covered by something tea bag size.


When I turn on the TV there is cleavage everywhere and after the watershed bare breasts everywhere, when I go to the shops in the summer it would appear that every effort is made to drag my eyes to the most transparent of clothing and transfix them upon fine breast waving at me from within.

Yet, should I stand in line at Starbucks and comment upon a fine ladies wonderful breasts or even ask If she would kindly show them to me, I'd likely as not get a slap, be arrested and handcuffed and end being registered as a sex offender !!!

What the hell is wrong with you women ??

Don't wave a bone at poor doggy then expect him not to want to lick it !!

I'm sorry, but you are forgetting that your office environment wasn't set up for you to come and have everyone be friends with you. The office environment was set up so you can come and help the company make money and stay in business. If the business you're in is for women to show off their hooters, fine, you have every right to show off your hooters....but if it's anything esle, you are necessarily subject to whatever the office requirements are, becuase the office requirements...particularly the requirements governing how women show off their hooters...are there to help streamline the process for the company to make money and stay in business. Hey, I enjoy the occasional chick coming by and showing off her hooters like the next man, but my need to earn a paycheck trumps my need to see women showing off their hooters.

It's pretty obvious the real beef here isn't over office etiquette. The real beef here is that you have your own personal agenda to show off your hooters (your making a point to mention your hooters are huge, how you are proud of your hooters and your pleasure from wearing low collars are your statements, not mine) and you're trying to get everyone else in the office to conform to your ideals. Like it or not, when you're showing off your hooters in the way you're doing it, you're no longer projecting yourself as a valued office worker. You're projecting yourself as a sex object, and you shouldn't whine like child when all the baggage that comes with being a sex object is thrown at you from your own actions. You know, the impression that you'd be great in bed and a fast learner at being bare foot and pregnant in the kitchen but you're completely worthless at everything else?

You should feel lucky- the place I work at are mostly middle aged to older women, and I know at least two women who left becuase they couldn't take their catty nature. You'd have some oppression here, all right, but it wouldn't be from the men. How does THAT figure into your political views?

Cleavage doesn't belong at work unless you work at Hooters or a Strip Joint. You can say they are your breasts all you want, but it really shows a lack of class to show a lot. Not that I like Faux News, but if you look at the women on that network, they wear very conservatives outfits that are very classy and many of these women have large breasts also.

More isn't always better. It says a lot about you, especially at work.

peace

Originally posted by Gazrok
Personally, I've seen the opposite results in the business world. Young attractive women who display cleavage simply get ahead, even with a marked lack of skill or talent. In one job I had, such a gal often even got the guys (who were generally older), to do her work for her even. I even fell for it, for about two days, before recognizing it for what it was, which then just ticked me off and made me immune, hehe...

Hey when guys do this it is considered excellent delegation skills, and performance finding the woman who will do your job for you. I never hear any guys complain about this.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
You should feel lucky- the place I work at are mostly middle aged to older women, and I know at least two women who left becuase they couldn't take their catty nature. You'd have some oppression here, all right, but it wouldn't be from the men. How does THAT figure into your political views?

Again - there are catty men too. They just don't get called on it.

(and I hate working with catty people. it is a sign of a dysfunctional team dynamic, and should be addressed.>

reply to post by The Djin


The ET Corn Gods language of the word "Media" is:


"Bra On IVY"
or
"Bra On, Found Booby"
or
"Size DD Acts".






See the websites listed in my Profile.
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Women have breasts?

Pics, or it didn't happen!