Wikileaks: Stop Us? You'll Have to Shut Down the Web

reply to post by wcitizen


Well it's hard to explain.

Wanting to know the truth...but afraid of what the truth is....or could mean.

I just feel that the last thing they will release will be the big shebang. They seem to be slowly building up to it.

Who knows what is sitting at the bottom of the barrel.

And most of all..

Will people really care in the end???

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Well it's hard to explain.

Wanting to know the truth...but afraid of what the truth is....or could mean.

I just feel that the last thing they will release will be the big shebang. They seem to be slowly building up to it.

Who knows what is sitting at the bottom of the barrel.

And most of all..

Will people really care in the end???

That's the question, really, and that was kind of the point of my question to you. So many people on ATS are compaining, even attacking Assange/WL, because they haven't released it all at once,but personally I don't know why they think that would be an advantage because my impression is that most people wouldn't do anything at all with the information anyway.

Perhaps there is an expectation that Assange should release something which will bring TPTB to their knees in one fell swoop, thus avoiding everyone else from having to get out of their armchair.

What many don't seem able to entertain is that this process of constant on going leaks is a constant erosion of the power wielded by TPTB,. It also gives many others the opportunity to assimilate the info, and the responses to it, and start to take action themselves which in turn also challenges the power of the Cabal. One example is the closing of WL accounts by Visa, Mastercard. Some are now launching a legal challenge against them for doing that. Others are boycotting them. It's a process which will eventually need the participation of all of us in one way or another - to effectively bring them down.

Originally posted by gringoboy
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I don`t rejoice in deception especially when an attack is imminent,confusing your opponent is top priority all soldiers know this,there was alot of confusion before world wars and allways something obscure initiated it,however in todays climate world war is not the issue but global safety is and that seems to be the agenda ,not fear but deception for protection.test firing down of missiles has been going on for months.assange is a detraction for a larger purpose.

Fair enough. Each to their own opinion.

Peace

reply to post by wcitizen


surething Peace, my opinion still stands,i await to see the outcome ,but if everybody wakes up to no internet ,then something global may have occurred,I will be just like you and be outside wondering why,but by then it will be to late.it will be part of history like JFK.

Hope wikileaks airs all the dirty laundry from the corrupt bastards in d.c.. Maybe then the american public will stop being so damn apathetic about whats going on around them.. Fyi people in china you can access MOST sites on the web exceptions being 1. Porn sites 2. Sites that encourage overthrowing the government ( tho creative calm discussion on how to make it better for the people is allowed and if your careful in your phrasing you can complain i.e no threats of violence, no foul language..) Overall people in china have far more freedom than you in the west do .. Especially in recent years unlike in the west where the crackdown has began.. Youve far more to fear from your own governments than you do from china..

Internet2 is on the horizon and its control and application worldwide is also on the horizon.Does anyone use Internet2 or am I Imagining a whole seperate internet !Check it out.Is there a internet3 ?Is this also maybe the reason for Assange.The questions continue,close one and use the other.

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

And how are you going to do that when you can't email the go order?

The military does not have the infrastructure in place to operate with out the internet.

lol,
you must be forgetting,
(or unaware)
That the military does not use the same 'internet' that we peasants do. lol

They have internet that is completely "un-tied" to the internet we all use everyday.

Even if "the internet" were to be shut down...

you can bet your butt...

That millions around the world would still be "online" and networking.
Most of them would be military...

Some of them would just be 'intelligent folks'..
Who know more about the system
than most of the people (military) who would be using it. lol

"this" is not the 'only' internet.
Not even close.

Whatever happens, happens!
Bring it on.

Intelligent folks already have a peer to peer system in the works

short of hunting down every person with a wifi dongle they cant do much

Originally posted by Valdestine
Intelligent folks already have a peer to peer system in the works

short of hunting down every person with a wifi dongle they cant do much

For sure.

I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant... TPTB don't need to shut off the internet to derail the leak scene. All they need to do is make it seem like certain forms of secrecy is actually transparent.

If TPTB (assuming they aren't involved in the workings of Wikileaks) force a securitization and a further shrouding of 'transparent' operations, isn't this dismantling the very ideas and premises that Wikileaks supposedly stand for? The people running the site are not immune to being detained, and the whistleblowing structure and culture is not immune either.

Wikileaks can't say they're being transparent and open - they're paradoxically forced to become less transparent for their own protection, and their whole operation is already largely secretive. It's this corruption of transparency (who do we expect it from? Can there even be true transparency? Who is defining what we think transparency is?) that is under attack. The very concept of what Wikileaks supposedly represents is not safe, and by being increasingly secretive about its own operations while saying that they represent the epitome of transparency, Wikileaks is paradoxically corrupting what transparency means. They are "accidentally" damaging any future attempts to create or demand "transparent" systems.

TPTB don't need to take down the internet to fight Wikileaks - it only has to force Wikileaks into being so hypocritical that "transparency" means "secrecy". And it's doing a pretty good job so far.

So many reasonable arguments for both scenarios are presented here that I am still torn about the truth of wikileaks and it's involvement (or not) with TPTB! It's so easy to see it from both positions.

So what does anyone think will be the next "BIG" piece of info to come out?

supposedly the banking leaks would come next.
that's the suspicious part, why wait and announce future leaks?
why not everything at once, who decides what comes out next? why the hierarchical structure of the information?

Its very difficult to make out who calls the shots, but of one thing I´m sure, is that things will get worse before they get better...

I am no computer genius, but it seems to me like there could be a way to "dispose of" any language that did not comply with Homeland Security.

Is there something they could take off the internet that the gov't doesn't want you to see?

Would it really be that hard?

Imagine reading-
Julian Assange arrested for violations against Espionage Act of U.S.

More news to come.

With nothing in between, because it is censored in some way?
What I am saying is, could they make the internet unusable? Could they censor certain words or phrases?

reply to post by jennybee35


Does the constitution of the US allow the us government to keep secrets from US citizens?

Paypal.com is down.

and now it's up again. Was just reading other boards that it went down...which it seemed to be. Didn't last long though. Don't know if they are getting hammered or not.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I believe you are most right in this case. Add to that though that Wikileaks is a government device as are those behind it. I was talking with a co-worker about how part of me believes the whole things is a sham. I believe this is a light that shines in that direction.

I do not trust any of it any more. You are right they will not shut the web down. This will appease the mindless because they can still look at the mind numbing stupid crap that does nothing but deaden the mind. Anything that remotely might cover a topic dangerous to them will be squashed. The free age of the internet is dead and we will have the Wikileaks ordeal to thank.

Raist

If that becomes reality, perhaps ATS will be 'squashed'. Do you think that would happen if what you suggest comes to be? I certainly hope you guys are wrong.

reply to post by Xavialune


ATS will be a thing of yesteryear that we long to see again. Basically I see it being set up much like China if not a bit worse.

The state will have to clear everything.

I think places like Facebook or whatever will stay around but will be changed to be strictly social and no real serious talk (world/government affairs) will be welcomed. Only personal issues will be allowed. I suspect that people will have to use places like that and use a code to communicate.

That is if the thinkers are not hauled off or shot dead

Raist

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by jennybee35

 

Paradoxically, if 'they' shut down the net it would mean the ultimate victory for internet freedom ... for if there's one thing that will unite people who don't bat an eye waking up to a TSA enema, it is they not being able to access their facebook page.

And the resulting revolution that everyone wants to happen will distract the country just long enough so that it can be destroyed without complaint or notice. Hindsight 20/20 will burn our eyes as we watch ourselves crumble from being so easily manipulated into revolt. Internally, we have been corrupted so much that the only way we can change is to contradict our pasts and embrace each other unconditionally.