**U.S. warned people to avoid Mystery Missile Zone, Refuses to explain launch warning where Contrail

The Department of Defense is slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail filmed Nov. 8 by a KCBS television crew near Los Angeles after questions were raised about a warning from the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency that there could be missiles fired in that area at that time. The official government position has been that the contrail, which appears to have been made by a single source, was from a jet passing by.

And the refusal to provide answers to specific questions suggests a cover-up of potential secret missile testing in the area – contrary to official jet contrail explanation. For weeks, experts have examined the billowing plume and the single-source white-hot exhaust which they contend was from a missile, not a jet.

It was in late October that the NGA issued the maritime warning for the Eastern North Pacific off California about "intermittent missile firing operations." While the notice gave time frames and days of the week as well as areas for missile firings, there was no specified time limit as to when they would end.

"Intermittent missile firing operations 00001Z to 2359Z daily Monday thru Sunday in the Naval Air Warfare Center Sea Range," the warning said. "The majority of missile firings take place 1400Z to 2359Z and 0001Z to 0200Z daily Monday thru Friday."

The contrail sighting by the KCBS television crew occurred during these time periods

Source: www.wnd.com...

There is something more than they are telling us about this event. Anyone else gettting any same info from another source? Like a Military friend, report, allegation?

Just seems to me that with the bland response, if any, by the Gov't that they knew this was going to occur and got caught off guard when the TV crew happened to catch the launch.

I am even thinking it was S. Korean/allied asian military testing a missle. IMO>

In fact they are admitting it was a missile instead of the earlier claims of being a plane. Besides that they also don't know where it came from. They wouldn't have to make up a so called missile testing. Missile test are never done close to urban aerias.

Awesome find!

I guess this will silence some of the "it was just a commercial airliner" crowd.

It seems odd to me that such people will actually try to persuade others that they didn't see what they actually saw.

It was a rocket, and that is that.

Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
In fact they are admitting it was a missile.

where exactly did they admit it was a missile? Care to show us exactly where they stated it was a missile?

Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
In fact they are admitting it was a missile instead of the earlier claims of being a plane. Besides that they also don't know where it came from. They wouldn't have to make up a so called missile testing. Missile test are never done close to urban aerias.

Don't they test missles from Vandenberg AFB all the time? There was one from there as recently as September:

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - September 13 - The US military has announced a test of a Minuteman III Intercontinental Ballistic Missile from Vandenberg Air Force Base on September 15. The Minuteman missile will carry a "dummy" nuclear warhead from Vandenberg to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands. The test is scheduled less than three weeks after the official UN International Day against Nuclear Tests (August 29).

www.commondreams.org...

Also, there is a standing order about possible missles tests for boats in that area. Are you sure the item posted isn't that same standing warning? I'll have to find an old post about this topic and see.

reply to post by MMPI2



I'm with you. A rocket is a rocket by any other name.

However, I would like some input from someone who actually knows about these warnings etc and how accurate they are. Meaning, when they issue a warning, is there a missle/object launch every time etc?

This could get very interesting quick. I think it is getting buried in the news with all the other stuff going on.

reply to post by anon72

There is and has been standing a NOTAM for that area essentially seven days a week for missile testing from Pt Mugu. It's been convered here before.

well if it was secret operations , missile defense, space weapons ect. they will not admit it anytime soon!
They would rather us speculate , great for keeping a secret even if its in plain site. Hell they are probably laughing there asses off about the chinese missile theory

This has been discussed to death on all of the other "Mystery Missile" threads. It's a routine standing warning to navigation. Please read any of the other month old threads for further details.

reply to post by DJW001


Thank you. I don't doubt what you say. But normal or standard? Do they test that often in that area?

As far as the other threads/post. I tried to stay up with them when it first started but after I saw (and posted about) the guy who seemed to be able to credit the flume to commercial jets, I lost interest. Not to mention the bland or lack of response by our Great Leader and the Military.

But, that being said, a few weeks later, more stuff comes out and maybe should be discussed directly. I did a search and not on indicator of this topic. I think it is good to be up and open. Feel free to alert to Mods-if need be.

Have a good weekend everyone.

reply to post by anon72


As has already been pointed out it has been running for decades. You can download them all the way back to 1999 for that area off California.

msi.nga.mil...

www.navair.navy.mil...

www.navair.navy.mil...

Most of the firings will be very mundane and routine. NOTAMs will be released if it was something large such as a ballistic missile.

en.wikipedia.org...

Many sources are still referring to this webpage and relying on the info published as proof.

'NAVY CONFIRMS: US TEST MISSILE SEEN OFF COAST'

current.com...

TJ

reply to post by tommyjo


Wow. Great posting and info.

That last site-says it all. Nicely done I might add. People should be able to read and understand it.

Thanks for the other sites also. So much goes on around us on a normal, daily basis...

You have to admit, in these tense times around the world, something like this tests can start wildfires.

reply to post by anon72


I think you have totally misunderstood my post? That last link is utter garbage. It shows how people, without research, can simply jump on one piece of info and use it as some sort of proof. Read up on all the other ATS threads that cover the events on the 8th November 2010.

For there to be a US SLBM launch off the coast (Claimed 35 miles by the news helo cameraman) there would have to be a NOTAM issued to clear the airspace. There would also be warning broadcasts to all the shipping to clear the area. Flights like UPS 902 and AWE808 would have been aware of this NOTAM.

TJ

reply to post by anon72


Mate, nice thread..
Lets keep this event current till someone official finally comes forward and proves what it was..

Most just like to see it buried like the Norway spiral..

reply to post by anon72


You know what?
Look at this video..Just look at the opening bit..Ignore the later parts because they were added later by a different station...

Tell me anyone could really believe that contrail on the horizon was over 240 miles away...
I didn't and will never buy that BS...

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by backinblack


What are you on about now? The later parts weren't added by another station.

You've done this before when you claimed that my reposts of video footage didn't show moving footage, but stills.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The question that you are raising again has been debated over and over. Think about it? If some aircraft contrails are visible by satellite, like the one in question, then what do you think it is going to look like from the ground perspective or from a helicopter above LA?

You debated it on here. The links to threads should make it easier to follow.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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TJ

reply to post by tommyjo


Come on Tommy..They were added later..That's a fact...
All I have said is look at the first scene..Does that look like a contrail at 240 miles???

reply to post by backinblack



Added later? This is the footage that was filmed by Gil Leyvas. You are confusing yourself. It even led to you claiming that some of those images in the video footage were stills.

As has already been pointed out to you. How far do you think that the previous Californian contrails were when filmed? See following link for video.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TJ

reply to post by tommyjo


BS Tommy..The extra video was added later..
That is not even debatable..

It still leaves my original question...
Would anyone believe this is a contrail filmed at over 240 miles away???
Frikkin big contrail..

reply to post by backinblack



Are you trying to make out that the added footage is now some sort of conspiracy?

Gil Leyvas footage.





Analysis of the video segment shown by CBS to the likes of Doug Richardson of Jane's Rockets and Missiles.

www.freerepublic.com...

Hermosa Beach image. Shot at 20mm focal length. Note the other contrails present.



What size contrail can be seen in a satellite image?

asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...

Video shot from Mission Viejo when the airliner was still producing a persistent contrail.



It was already pointed out to you by Phage back on

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Phage stated that UPS902 was out at about 160miles according to the Flight Aware data.

consci.s3.amazonaws.com...

www.nasa.gov...

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Ask yourself this question? From the ground how far away could you see the top of Mount Everest from (29,000 feet? Remember that UPS 902 producing a persistent contrail was up at 39,000 feet before descending nearer the coast?

See reply to question.

answers.yahoo.com...

See NASA website link to see how large this contrail would have been to be observed by satellite?

Contrail visible from satellite - yes
Contrail visible from ground level at 39,000 feet for hundreds of miles - yes. Just that same as you would be physically able with the right conditions to see the top of Mount Everest from 200 plus miles away.

TJ