Why do Americans hate Socialism/Communism?

reply to post by JonoEnglish

edit: again, I'm not against capitalism, it's just forms of socialism are good for society that has capitalism to keep mega corps in check.

Big Sigh! Some will never get it I guess until they are living under a bridge.... SOCIALISM IS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION! It always favors certain politically connected corps over others killing the free market. It is the cause not the solution go back and reread my post again! The only way socialism and free markets can coexist is If socialism is completely voluntary. No socialist country has ever been voluntary.

reply to post by hawkiye


So in your opinion Hawkiye, what ism are European and Scandinavian countries?

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


The level to which you stoop in your response to my post tells me enough about you to realize not to take you seriously. If you may be so kind, please enlighten me as to where I learned what I stated.

reply to post by Calender


I don't know. Why are you asking me?

These forms of 'flocking the folks' are only a symptom of the problem and is the 'level' the tyrants that be prefer the masses to argue. How they are to be 'managed', not who is to manage them. I suppose that's opsec. requiring a cosmic security clearance at the very most though not least. lil neuro~twister but workS.
Analogously.....

Alex Jones seems to cover the topic well here. He is the most informed and determined alternative 'spoke'person media I have found.
I understand he has some 'good' contacts as well.

Edit to Add (off topic):
Alex and 'Bill', the sailor, should have gotten along.
I believe that was a misunderstanding.
Felt compelled for some reason to express that.

If you know what I mean here, that was by design.
If not, then that also was by design.

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

edit: again, I'm not against capitalism, it's just forms of socialism are good for society that has capitalism to keep mega corps in check.

Big Sigh! Some will never get it I guess until they are living under a bridge.... SOCIALISM IS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION! It always favors certain politically connected corps over others killing the free market. It is the cause not the solution go back and reread my post again! The only way socialism and free markets can coexist is If socialism is completely voluntary. No socialist country has ever been voluntary.

edit on 2-12-2010 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

LOL Hawkiye, you love putting in the 'sighs'. You've now given me a big one. I bet you wish there was a 'sigh smiley'.

I have my own opinion, which I am expressing, much like you are.

Anyway back on topic.


Your political system is already influenced and run by Capitalists.

Public ownership of organisations has it's benefits to a society. Sadly your view is that this can never work alongside capitalism.

I'm not really understanding where you are coming from on this one.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish


I don't have a garden or a chimney

Sounds like you have a problem then.

Work a little harder and fix your problem.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by JonoEnglish


I don't have a garden or a chimney

Sounds like you have a problem then.

Work a little harder and fix your problem.

I'm just sitting back and waiting for my government to sort it out for me under some social project.

I suppose I could get a few window boxes and drill a hole in my roof.

Socialism destroys all incentive. Why work, when someone else will support you? Just sit your *** down under a tree, and collect the fruits of other peoples' labor. Approximately 50% of Americans work to support the other 50%, many of whom are too lazy to work on their own.

Now start the trolling.......

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Socialism destroys all incentive. Why work, when someone else will support you? Just sit your *** down under a tree, and collect the fruits of other peoples' labor. Approximately 50% of Americans work to support the other 50%, many of whom are too lazy to work on their own.

Now start the trolling.......

Socialism isn't just about the benefits system.

People actually do work in public owned organisations.

edit, when I mean public owned, I mean government run and owned by the taxpayer

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

For instance, unemployment benefits are something that one pays into when they work and draw from when they lose their jobs. People have this idea that it is akin to welfare. They are not educated about that social program and are out right lied to by political pundits.

I know I am cherry-picking your argument, but you are wholly incorrect in this statement. Thus, using it to highlight your point of views only invalidates your points you were making by using this example.

Unemployment "benefits" are not paid for by ourselves directly. They are paid for by the employer in which you are currently employed with. The effects we see because of this forced payment by our employer to the State is a result in a drop in profits by the employer and thus a drop in available monies to hire an employee at a given wage.

Since the employer is the one putting the money aside for you, by way of force by the State.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


I'm sorry but remind me again why the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and now Formerly Red China made the shift away from their attempt at Socialism?

Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Hoxhaism

Yeah yeah I know more "isms"

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

I'm sorry but remind me again why the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and now Formerly Red China made the shift away from their attempt at Socialism?

Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Hoxhaism

Yeah yeah I know more "isms"

They didn't have Capitalism.

Why does there have to be one or the other?

Like I say, a mixture of both is more stable, fair and more democratic for the population.

Going to post my answer to the OP before I start reading other answers, just to be sure I stick to my own thoughts.

The American idea stems from a deep belief that each person is ultimately responsible for his own life and pursuit of happiness. If the government requires me to help my fellow man by stealing what I have earned it has taken the free choice to help him away from me. In the past Americans have for the most part been extremely charitable, and for all the hoopla about health care no one is actually allowed to die because they can't pay at emergency rooms.
The root is very simple, everything the government gives me it must first steal it from my fellow man. I do not want stolen goods.

Originally posted by crimvelvet




Why do Americans have such a great hatred of Socialism and Communism?




Why does Socialism and Communism fail? Because as shown below it violates a very basic law: conservation of energy.

Teach a Husband to fish he sits in a boat and drinks beer all day

You are confusing Socialism and Communism.
America is a socialist country.
We have:
Public schools
Public police
Public libraries
Public prisons
Public road building,maintenance
Public water delivery
Public sanitation sewer systems
Public not private MILITARY,Coast Guard
Public Electricity
Public Health Care:Medicaid ,Medicare,Medical
Public Unemployment Insurance
Public Workers Compensation Disability Benefits
Public Railroads
Public Mail delivery
Public Welfare
Public Food,Food Stamps, 1 in 9 on them.
Public Legal System
Public Food Inspection
Public Parks,State and Federal
Public Lands,National Forest,BLM
Public Regulation of Companies (being gutted presently)
Public Airport Control,FAA
SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS

Tell me, What the heck is left to socialize?


Most Americans Love Socialism.

Its Communism that failed and that some Americans dislike.

reply to post by RRokkyy


A majority of what you just listed there is unconstitutional.

The american government loves unconstitutional socialist BS, the American people dont necessarily like it.

People assume the election process is corruption free. Being so naive is beyond comprehension.

reply to post by johnny2127

The answer is very simple; govt has never run anything well besides military, and even that is riddled with waste. When has a govt's control over its people and enterprise ever turned out well? What has govt ever run well?...

You bring up two very good points.
WASTE
Looks like if the government does it it costs at least three times as much, or more.

Mr. President, you have been so correct in resisting attempts to balance the budget by increasing taxes. The tax load on the average American family is already at counterproductive levels with the underground economy having now grown to an estimated $500 billion per year, costing about $100 billion in lost Federal tax revenues per year....

Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

* One-third of all their taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government as we identified in our survey.
* Another one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken.
* With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.
www.uhuh.com...

CORRUPTION
Government-industry revolving door

The Revolving Door
Although the influence powerhouses that line Washington's K Street are just a few miles from the U.S. Capitol building, the most direct path between the two doesn't necessarily involve public transportation. Instead, it's through a door—a revolving door that shuffles former federal employees into jobs as lobbyists, consultants and strategists just as the door pulls former hired guns into government careers. While officials in the executive branch, Congress and senior congressional staffers spin in and out of the private and public sectors, so too does privilege, power, access and, of course, money

Communism and Socialism do not change people the most vicious predators rise to the top. At least with a republic we get to toss the most blatant ones out.... well maybe not I forgot about Ted Kennedy the Senator from Chappaquiddick.

I honestly am astounded by the attitudes by a large group of people within America, how is socialised healthcare a bad thing? I hear the same old arguments I don’t want to be taxed. I don’t want the government taking my hard earned money; America spends 15%+ of its GDP on healthcare already. Most countries that have a social healthcare system are spending 7-10% of their GDP and providing a much better service. America doesn’t even rank in the top 30 in the world for healthcare. The argument falls flat on its face since America’s police, fire service, military and education (pre-university) are all provided by the state. Could you imagine the police service being privatised? That’s how we feel about healthcare in the UK now if it went back to private; the vast majority of the British would never give up the NHS now and the same goes for any other civilized country.
You can say that you want about how it’s up to you how you spend your money but in the vast majority of cases you are paying for a healthcare service to a corporation.

Insurance companies don’t give a damn about people they only care about profit. Doctors just want to treat and help people, not be held back by pencil pushers frowning over costs. Healthcare should be provided for every human on the planet no matter how rich or poor that person is, it’s just as important as the government providing the police, fire service etc. I certainly don’t see the Norwegians complaining about having the highest standard of living on the planet using this system. What is the point of having a government in the first place if they aren’t providing for its citizens? If you want to live in this American Wild West dream of no tax and pure freedom, feel free to go in to anarchy and have the rich/poor gap grow even further. I suggest that you wake up from this dream and get in the real world where people look out for each other.

Originally posted by estar
Most countries that have a social healthcare system are spending 7-10% of their GDP and providing a much better service. America doesn’t even rank in the top 30 in the world for healthcare.

Wow, I never knew that!

Could you please provide some examples of these countries, and also the top 30 rankings?

Thanks in advance

reply to post by estar


"universal" healthcare is unconstitutional.

k thanks bye.