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Originally posted by DJW001
Note that the instability that is there to be exploited
is the result of Iran's own mismanagement. You cannot foment protests among contented people. Is it "fair" for the Mossad to interfere with Iran's internal affairs? Perhaps not, but until Iran shows respect for Westphalian notions of international relations, they are not going to get much sympathy from the rest of the world.
So, that is the kind of foreign policy you endorse - exploiting the instability in a foreign country to suit our own agenda. One day someone will have the same attitude towards the US. I am guessing your opinion will be different then,
When Israel starts to show some respect for international treaties and agreements they have signed, it may start to get some sympathy from those often labelled as 'anti-semites' because they disagree with their current crimes.
Your comments also show a total ignorance of the situation in Iran. Were you aware that the Green Party (Iran's opposition party) had EXPRESSLY asked US NOT TO INTERFERE because that would completely undermine their efforts and put them in grave danger?
Are you aware that US interference has cost people their lives?
The Iranian authorities claimed again and again that US was interfering and supporting the opposition - the overwhelming majority of those innocent people believed the blatant lies US told in statements saying they were NOT interfering
Therefore, they protested believing US was respecting their wishes, and were later accused of sedition for colluding with a foreign enemy? This policy is NOT benign.
So when HC and cronies scream that WL is a risk to national selcurity, it is complete bunkum. THEY have COST the lives of innocent Iranian opposition protesters and probably totally undermined their efforts in Iran. THEY are a danger to the whole world. THEY are the danger to national security.
Julian Assange:
The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate archives is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That depends on you.
reply to post by sara123123
So far I have seen nothing that is shocking or that I did not already know in regards to Nations' stances on one another and world affairs. To me this release of info is totally dull.
Originally posted by ArcheoAstronomer
reply to post by backinblack
`re Attack on Liberty. I saw a video on this and two items emerged, don't know if they are true or not.
1. It looked as if the Liberty and all her sailors were doomed to death...even those in lifeboats...and the attack would have been blamed on Egypt (hense communications black outs from the ship) so as to justify American
entrance into the war against the Arabs at that time...but the order to attack it is alleged came from LBJ to Israel,
and that there was resistance against it but they did as told.
2. The attack was witnessed by a Russian ship who put a halt to it by communicating out and coming to the
rescue.
This casts a chilling shadow across 9/11. Can someone verify this information?
President Saleh clearly believes the unmanned aircraft had been performing reconnaissance in
Yemeni territory when it crashed. He could have taken the opportunity to score political points by appearing tough in public against the United States, but chose instead to blame Iran.
Originally posted by Sheol
We have all read through various media reports on Wikileaks Cablegate. Curious thing to note is all the major media outlets highlighted similar information such as:
a) US spying on UN diplomats
b) Sunni Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt asking US to attack Shiite Iran
c) Anecdotes about various political leaders such as Putin, Sarkozy, Gaddafi, Ahmadinejad, Prince Andrew, Berlusconi etc.
d) China's role in hacking of Google computer systems
e) China's growing distance from North Korea
And few more of such releases.
It is curious to note that almost all major media outlets are highlighting similar such "selected" content. Most of the public due to their dependency on MSM go through these media reports only, without bothering to actually read the cables in their entirety. Given below is some "selected" content what the media is not telling you and probably doesn't want the media dependent public to know:
Israel on Iran:
Mossad Chief's proposal to destabilize Iran by using propaganda media outlets such as Voice Of America (VOA) .
Dagan reiterated the need to strike at Iran's heart by engaging with its people directly. Voice of America (VOA) broadcasts are important, but more radio transmissions in Farsi are needed.
U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN
Forcing regime change by formeting unrest among Student groups and ethnic groups. Remember the election protests were held by Student groups in 2009 Presidential campaign against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
u]Force Regime Change: Dagan said that more should be done to foment regime change in Iran, possibly with the support of student democracy movements, and ethnic groups (e.g., Azeris, Kurds, Baluchs) opposed to the ruling regime.
U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN
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Israel on Palestine
The below given comments reiterates Netanyahu intentions against Palestinians people who were uprooted during creation of Israel.
Netanyahu noted that he thought dropping the "right of return" was the acid test of Arab intentions and insisted that he would never allow a single Palestinian refugee to return to Israel.
CODEL ACKERMAN'S MEETING WITH OPPOSITION LEADER BINYAMIN NETANYAHU
The below given comments tells of Israeli intentions to never allow a independent Palestinian state with no control over it's territory, border, people, media or even to have power to form treaties wtith other countries.
Netanyahu: A Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders.
CODEL KYL'S MEETING WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU:
Netanyahu said he was prepared for "arrangements" with the Palestinians that would entail some limits on their sovereignty such as no Palestinian army, and Israeli control over borders, airspace, and the electromagnetic spectrum.
CODELS ACKERMAN AND CASEY MEETINGS WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU
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US on Israel
US diplomat comment on Israel that it hopes others (US) will solve Iran problem for them either through force or diplomatic means.
Israelis hope that the others will solve the Iranian problem for them, or as Vice PM Shimon Peres has said, "I do not think that the matter of Iran needs to be turned into an Israeli problem -- it is a matter of concern for the whole world."
ISRAELI INTENTIONS REGARDING THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM
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US 30 billion dollar aid to Israel (2008 - 2018)
At the time of economic crisis in United States the aid for Israel is free flowing as always.
In an August 17 meeting, Israeli Mossad Chief Meir Dagan thanked Under Secretary Burns for America's support of Israel as evidenced by the previous day's signing of an MOU that provides Israel with USD 30 billion in security assistance from 2008-2018.
U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN
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United States delivery of bunker buster bomb to Israel for attacks on Iran.
United States secretly transferring bunker buster bombs to Israel in future preparation for attack on Iran.
The GOI described 2010 as a critical year -- if the Iranians continue to protect and harden their nuclear sites, it will be more difficult to target and damage them. Both sides then discussed the upcoming delivery of GBU-28 bunker busting bombs to Israel, noting that the transfer should be handled quietly to avoid any allegations that the USG is helping Israel prepare for a strike against Iran.
40TH JOINT POLITICAL-MILITARY GROUP: EXECUTIVE SESSION (PART 1 OF 4)
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Russia On Iran
The below comment is in reference to Obama's statement that he will have direct unconditional talks with Iran which never happened.
Lavrov commended the new U.S. approach to Iran, welcoming President Obama's readiness for the U.S. to engage "fully" in talks with Iran. Willingness to discuss "all" the issues was a welcome step, and one which Russia had been advocating for several years, Lavrov said. Iran wielded a lot of influence in the region, including on Afghanistan, Iraq, Hizbollah, Hamas, Gaza, etc. Iran had long been concerned about Israel, and saw Pakistan as a nuclear-weapons competitor.
Below given statements tells us about Russia's stance that it does not see Iran as US wants them too.
Lavrov cautioned that Russia did not perceive Iran in the same way as the U.S. Iran for Russia was "much more than a country which might cause concern in the international community." Russia opposed Iran getting a nuclear weapon, because Russia did not want any more "members of the nuclear club," but Iran and Russia were historical and traditional partners and neighbors, with a "rich bilateral agenda."
While Iran wanted to dominate the region and the Islamic world, which was of concern to Arab governments, the U.S. should realize that the "Arab Street" considers Iranian leaders to be heroes.
FM LAVROV DISCUSSES MISSILE DEFENSE AND IRAN WITH
Asked about Russian views on the Qom revelation in New York September 25, FM Lavrov adopted a strikingly softer tone than in the just released Kremlin statement. He noted that Iran had acted positively by notifying the IAEA about its plans to construct a new nuclear facility, and complained that some of Russia's "partner countries" in the P5-plus-1 had not shared information about the Qom facility earlier. Lavrov stressed that Iran's cooperation with the world community as a member of the NPT with non-nuclear status could prove the peaceful nature of its nuclear program.
Before the most recent P5-plus-1 meeting in Geneva, PM Putin said that Russia would not support "significant" changes to its approach on Iran. Ariel Cohen, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, said Putin and Lavrov told him in early September that they are opposed to tougher sanctions and the use of force against Iran.
MEDVEDEV, PUTIN, AND RUSSIA'S IRAN POLICY
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Russia On S-300 Sales to Iran
Russia's statements on selling of Missile Defense Shield to Iran.
Russia's S-300 contract with Iran did not violate any international or national laws or arms control regimes, and that the S-300's were a defensive system only. He added that nothing Russia had sold Iran had been used against anyone, whereas U.S. weapons provided to Georgia had been used against Russian soldiers.
Senator Levin asked whether Iran believed the S-300 sale was canceled or just suspended. Ryabkov replied that a contract existed, and it was impossible to break a contract without consequences. He repeated that Moscow had taken U.S. and Israeli concerns into account, and at present Russia was not providing any components of the system to Teheran. Thus, it was "obvious the degree to which Iran was dissatisfied with this," he said. But, the contract was not canceled, it was merely "frozen," Ryabkov stressed. He argued that "the less we hear from Washington about this, the better."
FM LAVROV DISCUSSES MISSILE DEFENSE AND IRAN WITH
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China on Iran
China's stance on Iran issue that more diplomacy was needed and tongue in cheek coment with reference to Iraq.
Wang pressed U/S Burns for details on when the limits of U.S. patience might be exhausted and counseled further efforts to find a diplomatic solution. Burns replied that U.S. patience was nearly exhausted. Wang acknowledged that there was a potential for an Israeli military strike were the situation not handled properly, which was of grave concern to China, but insisted that harsh actions were not yet warranted. Recent U.S. experience with a military option, he said, should teach some lessons, and the outcome of tougher sanctions was also unpredictable. The United States needed to understand that Iran was not Iraq, and the best way forward was to continue to pursue peaceful dialogue and negotiations and to carefully examine previous diplomatic efforts to see what changes needed to be made.
UNDER SECRETARY BURNS MEETING WITH CCID DIRECTOR WANG JIARUI ON IRAN, NORTH KOREA
Chinas view of Iran as trading parteners will not be changed as seen from the comments.
Regarding China-Iran energy cooperation, Cheng believes that there is a “misunderstanding” on the part of the United States. China has made clear its need for energy resources and has previously stated that its cooperation with Iran on energy has nothing to do with the Iran nuclear issue. China hopes that the U.S. Congress understands this point, said Cheng. Specifically, the threat of sanctions against Sinopec is a very serious issue, Cheng emphasized. Sinopec is very important to China and Cheng “can’t imagine” the consequences if the company is sanctioned. Januzzi noted Cheng’s concerns and said that he would pass this message to Washington.
STAFFDEL JANUZZI DISCUSSES NONPROLIFERATION, IRAN, AND DPRK WITH MFA ARMS CONTROL DIRECTOR GENERAL
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Turkey on Palestine
Turkey's condemnation of Israel on issue of Palestine - Gaza.
Hurriyet, Milliyet, Sabah, Aksam, Haberturk, Cumhuriyet, Yeni Safak and Zaman report the mayor of the Black Sea province of Rize, Halil Bakirci, had an "unpleasant" exchange of remarks during a meeting with visiting Israeli Ambassador, Gaby Levy. Mayor Bakirci told the Israeli Ambassador that the attitude of Turkish people toward Israel would not change as long as Israel continues its "expansionist policies." "The people of Rize will defend themselves in the face of such threats, but they will not kill babies," said Bakirci.
Erdogan emphasized Turkey was in close relationship both with the West and the Islamic world. "Defending the rights and humanity in the face of the Israeli atrocities in Gaza cannot be characterized as shifting politics," said Erdogan.
TURKISH MEDIA REACTION
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US Pressure on Turkey for it's Iran's stance
Looks like Turkey is not toeing US line on Iran.
During an October 21 meeting with MFA Undersecretary Sinirlioglu, the Ambassador challenged Prime Minister Erdogan's recent dismissal of international community allegations that Iran intends to acquire nuclear weapons as "gossip."
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Erdogan's recent comments on Iran's nuclear program amount to a defense of Tehran's defiance of the international community's will. His desire for a "good" Washington visit is the goad we will continue use to try to turn him back towards the international community consensus on Iran. We will also emphasize to Erdogan's senior bureuacrats and, when the opportunity arises, to President Gul their interest in reining in Erdogan on Iran.
WORKING ERDOGAN BACK INTO THE FOLD ON IRAN
Burns acknowledged Turkey's exposure to the economic effects of sanctions as a neighbor to Iran, but reminded Sinirlioglu Turkish interests would suffer if Israel were to act militarily to forestall Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons or if Egypt and Saudi Arabia were to seek nuclear arsenals of their own.
U/S BURNS' FEBRUARY 18 MEETINGS WITH U/S SINIRLIOGLU
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US pressure on Foreign Govts. to pressure Russia over S-300 Missile Defense System sale to Iran.
Hillary Clinton's cable to various embassies to pressure the respective host government to further pressure Russia not to sell missile defense system to Iran.
Posts are requested to approach appropriate host government officials regarding the possible transfer of the S-300 air-defense system from Russia to Iran. Post should draw from the following talking points. --In the spirit of our bilateral cooperation, we request your government,s support in urging Russia to not transfer a highly sophisticated air defense system to Iran.
ACTION REQUEST: RUSSIA S-300 MISSILE TO IRAN
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France and US on 2007 Iran NIE (National Intelligence Estimate): If anyone remembers in 2007 all 16 US Intelligence agencies gave unanimous judgment that Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon four years earlier. Seems like France and US govt. did not like their assessment. One has to ask if the intelligence agencies know Iran is not building nuclear weapons why are US & alies hell bent on sanctioning Iran.
SARKOZY, KOUCHNER ADVISERS ON NATO, RUSSIA, IRAN, AND SARKOZY
Both interlocutors called the NIE a "disaster" that has "substantially jeopardized" progress on Iran in the short term and will have lasting consequences, including eliminating France's ability to build consensus in Europe. French views are unchanged, but many others have been affected, and the NIE destroyed not just the momentum of the international community but also what little leverage France and the international community had on less radical Iranian elements. Errera noted that the timing of the release of the NIE was especially bad, with EU Political Directors having been poised for a new UNSC resolution just before the NIE release. He said at the IISS Manama Dialogue in December, speculation was rampant about why the current U.S. administration did not better manage the report's fallout by postponing its release or changing the characterization of Iran's enrichment activities as exclusively civil.
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France on Russia over Iran
France seems unhappy about Russia's stance on Iran.
President Sarkozy's private meeting in Moscow with President Putin, Putin was very hardline on Iran (notwithstanding Russia's exports of fuel for Bushehr), but that in the subsequent press conference, Putin distanced himself on this issue, to Sarkozy's surprise and chagrin. Errera said that in the past, Russia did not mind hurting Iran as long as Russia was not hurt as well; now Russia seems not to want to hurt the Iranians.
SARKOZY, KOUCHNER ADVISERS ON NATO, RUSSIA, IRAN, AND SARKOZY
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France to Israel on Palestine
When France asked Israel to start an independent probe on Goldstone report, Netanyahu snubbed Sarkozy.
President Sarkozy called Prime Minister Netanyahu directly on October 26, Bereyziat reported, to urge him to establish an independent investigation into the actions of the Israeli Defense Forces in Gaza. Sarkozy informed Netanyahu that such a step would decrease pressure on Israel and its allies stemming from the Goldstone Report. Netanyahu responded briskly: "No way."
FRANCE-ISRAEL STRATEGIC DIALOGUE COVERS TURKEY, PEACE PROCESS, SYRIA
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Egypt on Iraq
Another of US closest allies Egypt showing it's true color of installing a dictator in Iraq and not pushing democracy. Goes on to show Egyptians stance on democracy.
On Iraq, Mubarak said "you cannot leave" but advised strengthening the military and allowing a "fair" dictator to come to power via a coup. "Forget democracy," he opined, "the Iraqis are too tough by nature."
Mubarak explained his recipe for a way forward: "strengthen the armed forces, relax your hold, and then you will have a coup. Then we will have a dictator, but a fair one. Forget democracy, the Iraqis are by their nature too tough."
CODEL BAIRD MEETS WITH EGYPTIAN LEADERS ON MARGINS OF WEF
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Oman on Iran
Oman raised the point of Arab Sunni nations stand against Shiite Iran. One has to remember Sunni and Shiite do not see each other eye to eye.
General Ali singled out Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar as three Gulf countries that probably would want the U.S. to strike Iran. However, he urged the U.S. to determine whether such voices were speaking on the basis of logic or emotion. He likened private entreaties of these countries to the U.S. for military action on Iran to the Iraqi opposition in exile providing the U.S. false information on Iraq that led to the invasion of Iraq.
OMAN REMAINS WARY OF IRANIAN EXPANSIONISM
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To be continued when new cables are released....edit on 1-12-2010 by Sheol because: (no reason given)