The Great Pyramid: A Conundrum Made of Stone (Built by ET's?)

The Thread

This thread is being written with the intentions of laying out facts and argumentative data that touches upon the mysteries which linger around the Great Pyramid of Giza. The beginning and majority of this thread will illustrate factual data with conclusions on the Pyramid (as well as other anomalies) towards the end.

(I put this thread in this forum to illustrate my conclusion on the Great Pyramid)

All opinions are welcome.

Introduction

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Egypt is considered to be one of the most extravagant civilizations of the ancient world; rivaling with the societal paradigm of its day and stretching far beyond antiquity. From the remnants of the once prosperous empire sits several great architectural feats and towering high above these incredible monuments one of the Seven Wonders of the World rests in a state of timelessness, the Great Pyramid of Giza. The immense size and geometric accuracy of this superstructure leads to a bewilderment of the rational mind. Higher than its other two counter parts, the Red Pyramid and the Pyramid of Khafre, the Great Pyramid was the tallest man-made structural accomplishment of its time. Obviously this massive consummation exhibits an extraordinary skill of craftsmanship – raising a fervid curiosity.


How did the Egyptians manage to plan, build, and finish such a magnificent structure with such precision? This is just one of several questions in which 'mainstream archeology' claims to have already answered. However, there are serious disputes on the matter, and a considerable amount of holes in current widely accepted theories. Adding to the dilemma of how and why the Great Pyramid of Giza was built is the lack of information in Egyptian writings and records.

The Factual Paradoxes Are Profound

The Egyptians recorded every piece of their lifestyle in detail – they were a civilization full of accountants. The scribes recorded how many of the enemy they killed in battle, the names of the pharaoh's children, even cake recipes. Yet, there are no official inscriptions, no carvings, no related paintings, no recorded accounts of the construction of the Great Pyramid – nothing. The ancient Egyptian records are silent in regards to one of the greatest structural accomplishments in the history of man kind.

Bob Brier and Jean-Pierre Houdin state in their book The Secret of the Great Pyramid, “ I can tell you the names of the two horses that pulled Ramses the Great's chariot at the Battle of Kadesh ('Mut Is Content' and 'Victory in Thebes') but I cannot tell you how the Egyptians hauled those huge blocks up the Great Pyramid or how many men worked on the Pyramid at any one time.”

Noticeably there is quite a mystery lingering over the Great pyramid; the Egyptians recorded minute aspects of their society but this one magnificent achievement has no written documentation whatsoever. Consequently, after years of heated debates and time consuming research, scientists and scholars are still attempting to try to determine exactly why, how, and who built the Great Pyramid of Giza. There is no conclusive evidence to back up any one theory as none has yet to be found. Undoubtedly, coming to a mutual agreement on how the Great Pyramid was constructed is almost unfathomable considering the sheer size and precision at which the structure was built.

The Pyramids Precision

The Great Pyramid, also known as Khufu's Pyramid, was the tallest known artificial structure in the world for roughly 3,800 years, the longest period of time that such a record was held. Now sitting at roughly 453.1 stories high the pyramid was formerly 480.69 feet tall with it's capstone.

Originally, the Great Pyramid comprised of a staggering 2,500,000 million stone blocks with it's casing stones. These casing stones were polished white limestone that gleamed in the sunlight and covered the four faces of the pyramid; each one of these stone slabs weighed up to 15 tons or 30,000 lbs. The majority of these polished stones were stolen and used to build mosques, fortresses, and even houses in Cairo after a devastating earthquake in the 14th century (1301 AD) caused many of them to shatter and fall off the faces of the pyramid.

What's left today without the casing is still a mind boggling 2,300,000 million stone blocks consisting of limestone and dense granite slabs. Even more astonishing is the weight and size of some of these stones – to call them enormous would be an understatement.

The smaller stones used throughout the majority of the pyramid were limestone blocks weighing anywhere from 1.3 to 10 tons, with an average weight of roughly 2.5 tons. The larger slabs were the solid granite beams used inside the chambers of the pyramid. For example, in the Kings Chamber the beams were on average twenty-three feet long and weighed anywhere from 50 to 70 tons – that's practically the weight of a small locomotive. To make a comparison to the overall weight, the Great Pyramid of Giza weighs an estimated 6,500,000 tons and the Empire State Building weighs 350,000 tons; that means that roughly 18.5 Empire state buildings would match the approximate weight of the Great Pyramid of Giza. Adding on to this astronomical size, the Great Pyramid of Giza was built with specific measurements that were far more meticulous than today’s standards of construction.

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The Great Pyramid was built with inexplicable definitiveness. The northern face of the pyramid is aligned, in near perfection, to true north, the eastern face is aligned almost perfectly to true east, the west to true west, and the south to true south. With an average error of roughly 3 minutes of arc, 2 minutes on the southern face, the structure is of unarguably incredible accuracy for any era. Not to mention the North Pole moves over time and may add credit to the pyramid being of perfect alignment thousands of years ago. The accomplishment is without a doubt an astounding feat for an ancient civilization 4,500 years ago and in some cases impossible today on such a grand scale.

Three arc minutes of a deviation is only in error of less than 0.015 percent from true. The reasoning for such accuracy is almost incomprehensible. If the base of the pyramid would have been just 2 or 3 degrees out of true (which is roughly 1 percent) the difference would not be noticeable to the unaided eye. The motives for such precision must have been paramount considering the difference in the magnitude of tasks would have been enormous if the pyramid was just a degree or two out of alignment!

The structure's north side has a length of 755 feet 4.9818 inches, it's west side is 755 feet 9.1551 inches, it's east side 755 feet 10.4937 inches, and it's south side 756 feet 0.9739 inches. This means that there is a difference of about 8 inches between the shortest and longest side of the Pyramid. That is a miniscule fraction of about 1 percent in relation to the average side length of 9063 inches. Once again, there was an unimaginable amount of care in getting the measurements of the pyramid to near flawlessness.

There are very few modern-built buildings today that have corners which consist of anything close to perfect 90° angles. Such a deviation of 1 or 2 degrees is not quite noticeable at all, and the difference doesn't cause any malefactors structurally. The pyramid, however, is 89° 56' 27” measured the south-eastern corner, 90° 0' 33'' measured on the south-western corner, 90° 3' 2'' on the north-eastern corner, and the north western corner is 89° 59' 58'' of true. The measurements are astounding and are surely a mark of an extreme expertise in architecture of the highest order – especially considering the fact that the pyramid sits on an area of 13 acres. This is something that modern structural-engineers could only wonder how they would go about in accomplishing today with such pristine accuracy on a truly monstrous scale.

How was the great pyramid built?

The amount of time that the Great Pyramid is said to be built is within a span of 20 years. This means that if the builders worked 10 hour days, 365 days a year, a block of stone had be quarried, transported, and set into place every 2 minutes. That is disregarding, accidents, non-working days, weather conditions, etc... Also, the timing does not necessarily take into account the 50 to 70 ton granite beams that are found in the innards of the pyramid. So how did the builders of Khufu's Pyramid manage to build such an extraordinary architecture that rivals the best modern-built projects today?

Generally, the most accepted theory on how the Great Pyramid was built consists of ropes, ramps, rollers, sledges, and thousands of free workers. For example the college text book, The Making of The West states, “The pyramids exterior blocks were quarried along the Nile and then floated to the site on barges. Free workers (not slaves) dragged them up ramps and into position using rollers and sleds.” This current belief, however, is quite flimsy in addressing the faults in the theory itself.

Each theory is incredibly erroneous – especially when one takes into consideration the lack of evidence to support them. There are several different ramp theories in regards to the construction of the Great Pyramid, each one incorporates a different model or design. The most common ones include the “spiral ramp” theory, the “straight-on ramp” theory, the “zig-zag ramp” theory, and a considerable amount of other variations. Regardless of the alternate styles or theoretical conclusions of different ramp models, each one has it's advantages and it's disadvantages.

The Spiral Ramp -

The model consists of a spiraling ramp roughly a third of a mile in length that wraps around the sides of the superstructure.

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The problems in this theory are obvious considering the lack of ease in getting the average 2.5 ton block in place every 2 minutes. To move stones that are 2.5-10 tons around a 90° every 2 minutes is highly improbably. There is also the factor of the 23 foot long granite beams weighing up to 70 tons that are absolutely impossible to maneuver around any corner on the spiraling ramp. In addition, the ramp covers most of the pyramid which may create difficulties in observing the construction for correct and precise measurements for the flawless shape. The advantages are that less material would have been used in comparison to other models.

The Straight-on Ramp -

This model consists of a single massive ramp going straight into the face of the pyramid. The problem with this ramp is that the around of material that had to be used would have been roughly 1/5 to 2/5's of the material used for the Great Pyramid itself!

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With a realistic angle of inclination, the ramp would be 1553 (5°) and respectively 713m (10°) long at the very top (146.59m high).

That would mean that the gradient would begin to get quite steep. The ramp would have to be be built upon in length and height every time a new course was finished; there would also be severe issues with the stability of the ramp if not made wider on a constant basis. This is expressive of a very time consuming model and a single ramp would make it quite improbable to move a block into place every 2 minutes. The advantage to this ramp would be the majority of the pyramid not covered by the ramp for the project; thus adding clarity in observations and control in structural shape.

The Zig Zag Ramp -

The zig-zag ramp model consists of a switch-back style of ramps on a single pyramid face all the way to the top. This variation is also used in several other ramp models in regards to the very top, when other ramp models are to steep or are in need of a wider base.

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A serious difficulty arises in this model considering the amount of corners that there would be throughout the ramp structure. The blocks would have to be shifted several times, which would promise a large consumption of time. The larger slabs of stone such as the granite beams would be extremely difficult if not impossible to maneuver around the corners. A wide base would also have to be used in this project which would need a commodious amount of materials and resources. The real gratification of this method would be the three faces of the pyramid not covered by the ramp and would thus give a better chance of maintaining the desired shape and measurement of the Great Pyramid.

The ramps all seem to be quite faulty, and the advantages don't necessary out weight the cons in regards to easier construction. In general all of these theories have the same disadvantages and lack of support for a strong argument. The amount of material used would vary between different models, but the amount used would be immense regardless. Each new course would mean another several days to weeks to add on to the ramp(s), making it longer, wider, and higher in elevation. The width of the ramp must also accommodate the crews going down the ramp with empty sleds and the crews going up the ramps with colossal sized slabs of stone. On top of all this work on a massive scale, there are dangers for the well-being and life of the workers. So why would such a time consuming and incredible project be pursued? Why such an extensive line of work that is clearly worthy of modern-day contemplation?

Why Build The Great Pyramid?

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The current theory is that the pyramids were used as tombs for pharaohs and their eternal trip into the after life.

National Geographic describes the pyramid's function. "To shelter and safeguard the part of the pharaoh's soul that remained with his corpse, Egyptians built massive tombs – but not always pyramids."

However, contrary to popular belief, there have been no bodies found in any one pyramid throughout Egypt. Corpses are found in mastabas which were carved into the Egyptian bedrock and comprised of flat roofed tops; sometimes even having mounts of dirt and mud over the ceiling. This raises the big question of why the Great Pyramid of Giza is depicted as Khufu's tomb if there is no official inscriptions anywhere throughout the structure. One would think that such an incredible creation for the pharaoh and his afterlife would have many official inscriptions stating so.

There has been a wide controversy in regards to the Great Pyramid being considered Pharaoh Khufu's tomb. The only account that expresses a supportive stance to this theory is from the Greek historian Herodotus, who had said that the pyramid was built by pharaoh Khufu during the 4th dynasty.

The oldest surviving written description of the monuments (from Herodotus himself) states:

Cheops, they said, reigned for fifty years, and on his death the kingship was taken over by his brother Chephren. He also made a pyramid... it is forty feet lower than his brother's pyramid, but otherwise of the same greatness... Chephren reigned for fifty-six years...then there succeeded Mycerinus, the son of Cheops... This man left a pyramid smaller than his father's.

This account was written after Herodotus saw the pyramids in the fifth century BC. This was roughly 2000 years after the pyramids were supposedly built. Yet, this testimonial from Herodotus is what the most, if not the entirety, of current subsequent history is based off of. Still to this day this testimonial is assumed to be up to the status of an unassailable fact – even with no other recorded documents or written evidence included to prove or support the testimonial.

The Kings Chamber

The kings chamber of the Great Pyramid is beautifully remarkable – built entirely of rose granite. Resting at the western end of the chamber is what is supposedly a granite sarcophagus which once contained King Khufu's body. The granite coffer is also made from a single block of rose granite weighing approximately 3.75 tons. The lid to this coffer would have weighed an astounding 2 tons. What's odd about this coffer is that it would have had to be built and set into place before the pyramid was even close to finished as it is too wide to fit through any passage and obviously too heavy.

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This 3.75 ton rose granite coffer was the supposed final resting place of King Khufu. Yet, there is no evidence to suggest that a corpse had ever been place within the rose granite masterpiece. No embalming materials have been found, not even small pieces or traces of articles of clothing – nothing. The common belief is that the tombs were raided by grave robbers, but why would they leave nothing, no traces of anything whatsoever? Another aspect of the coffer is that it is barely spacious enough to support an average sized man, let alone a man in a sarcophagus – which was not a common practice in Egypt.

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A Quick Conclusion

There seems to be another unfortunate common practice in believing that the Great Pyramid of Giza was used as a tomb. There is incontestably a lack of information on the subject besides a several centuries old testimony that was incorporated into writing long after the pyramid was built.

Graham Hancock states in his book Finger Prints of The Gods , “All this is orthodox, mainstream, modern scholarship, which is unquestionably accepted as historical fact and taught as such at universities everywhere.”

Basically stating that these theories are taught as if fact, when in fact, there is hardly enough evidence, artifacts, records, or documentation to create a support for a strong argument.

Many seem to forget a theory is only just that, a theory, and to be accepted as fact is to do the truth little to no good.

The inquisitiveness that arises from the pyramids may never be quenched. The Great Pyramid will probably still go on just as puzzling and shrouded in paradox as it is magnificent. Egypt might always remain a land veiled in mystery with it's remains of a once affluent ancient civilization sitting in a state of awe and allurement. Hopefully, of course, there will be more extensive research and questioning on the current accepted theories in regards to Egypt and it's ravishing architecture, more notably the Great Pyramid of Giza, which is truly a conundrum made of stone.

Part II: Something Extraterrestrial?

(Part II will be much shorter and only for the sake of raising questions.)

There are several interesting facts in accordance to the Great Pyramid that only makes the observer ask, "why?". The current conclusion that I've come up with is that the Pyramid obviously had a great task that was far beyond the fallible conclusion of being a tomb for an egocentric pharaoh.

There are several interesting anomalies.

Rose Granite which is used in the inner chambers of the Pyramid is considered to be one of the most paramagnetic substances measured.

Something paramagnetic is a body or substance that, placed in a magnetic field, possesses magnetization in direct proportion to the field strength; a substance in which the magnetic moments of the atoms are not aligned.

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Limestone which was used on the outer portion of the Pyramid (including the polished tura limestone casing stones) is considered to be diagmagnetic.

Something that is diamagnetic has the property of being repelled by both poles of a magnet. Most substances commonly considered to be nonmagnetic, such as water, are actually diamagnetic.

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Think of the Limestone as an insulator and the Rose granite as a conductor. The word "Pyramid" translates to 'the fire in the middle or inner fire'.

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(The story accompanying the pyramid image is about the pyramid energy research of Mary and Dean Hardy of Allegan, Michigan.)

Was the Pyramid actually used as some sort of machine? Was the Pyramid built for the sake of helping the Egyptian culture? The effects of the pyramid on the human body in relation to it's placement, it's proportions, it's make-up, may be something worth looking into with future research. The structure now probably is but a shell/ghost of what it once was (especially without it's capstone/casing stones) which may bias conclusive evidence.

The centers of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid. The effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions.

(Quote taken from: www.crystalinks.com...)

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Which raises another question, why go through the trouble of making eight faces?

The Closing and Personal Opinion

There are pyramids all over the world. Why would humans just randomly come up with such a concept without having contact with each other. Who knows?

My belief will stay on the fringe side, especially after in-depth research. I believe, without a doubt, that the Great Pyramid was used as a mechanism for a properly-oriented place of initiation.

Was the Great Pyramid of Giza An "enlightening" machine that sharpens an individuals awareness, handed down by far off visitors?

There is a big piece of the puzzle missing here. Or... is the truth staring back at us with eight faces?

Quick Facts

The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.

The length of a base side is 9131 pyramid inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 pyramid cubits, which is the number of days in a year. [9131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits]

The average height of land above sea level for the earth is 5449 inches. This is also the height of the pyramid.

There is so much stone mass in the pyramid that the interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the earth, 20 Degrees Celsius (68 Degrees Fahrenheit).

The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each.

The mortar used is of an unknown origin. It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can't be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.

Sources

1. Peter James, Ancient Mysteries. New York: Ballantine Books, 1999

2. Bob Brier, The Secret of the Great Pyramid. New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2008

3. “The Giza Plateau and Pyramids,” The Global Education Project, (Theglobaleductionproject.com) accessed November 30, 2010, www.theglobaleducationproject.org...

4. “Facts and Trivia,” The Empire State Building, (Esbnyc.com) accessed November 30, 2010, www.esbnyc.com...

5. Graham Hancock, Finger Prints of the Gods. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1995

6. “Egypt: Secrets of an Ancient World,” National Geographic, (Nationalgeographic.com) accessed November 30, 2010, www.nationalgeographic.com...

7. Hunt, Martin, Rosenwein, Po-chia Hsia, Smith, The Making of the West. Boston: Bedford/St. Martins, 2009


9 "Guardians Egypt,” Guardians, (Guardians.net) accessed November 29, 2010, www.guardians.net...

10. “News and information on the Pyramids of Egypt,” Talking Pyramids, (Talkingpyramids.com) Accessed November 29, 2010 www.talkingpyramids.com...

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Edit - Few typo's

Thanks for the information.. .I was most interested in the koffer weighing a few tonnes ... seemingly sized for a 'grey' and having had to've been built there in very early stages of the pyramid construction.



Also, I have always wondered... if the Egyptions built these, why did they stop? Where did their engineering skills go? They developed themselves technologically to that point, had slaves build the pyramids and then said 'F' it, back to the stone age!

I don't think so.... Somebody was either A) Here before and built them or B) Came from afar and built them or enslaved the egyptions to build them. Or hell... maybe C) The egyptions happily assisted building them under alien guidance

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the grotto (and chamber) is where ra escaped when h ewas imprisoned in the lower chamber! if u look at how that grotto is it looks exactly like something burrowed its way into the ascending chamber it doesnt fit the blue print at all!

sitchin tells us that the only conclusion is told in egyptian or sumerian myth or w/e that ra was once put into solitary in that pyramid the entrance to the descending chamber was closed off and the only way anyone could get him out is th burrow from the ascending chamber down to the lower area!

that right there tells us everything! b/c any acheologist that has studied that area of the pyramid admits that was not apart of the original design! and NO it was not theives! it would have to took knowledge and technology to have down that! someone with a great understanding of the building helped ra escape!

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and because the descending chamber is closed off! no one like a thief could have known there was a area below the pyramid unless someone that already knew about the design an layout dug that grotto!

Great thread,a real eye opener.
I don't believe the Egyptians were able to build the pyramids themselves, i believe they where given the knowledge and technology to build them by Extra terrestrials.The history channel aired a TV show called "ancient aliens" which went into details about the pyramids and how they were created.
Its crazy to think how the Egyptians were able to lift those blocks of stones back then considering some of them weighed more then 300 tons each,cranes today would struggle lifting things that heavy.

Originally posted by muzza1875
Great thread,a real eye opener.
I don't believe the Egyptians were able to build the pyramids themselves, i believe they where given the knowledge and technology to build them by Extra terrestrials.The history channel aired a TV show called "ancient aliens" which went into details about the pyramids and how they were created.
Its crazy to think how the Egyptians were able to lift those blocks of stones back then considering some of them weighed more then 300 tons each,cranes today would struggle lifting things that heavy.

Yes, mobile cranes would. There are cranes today that are completey stationary called 'gantry' cranes. The largest, built in China, can lift 20000 tons and is named Taisun:

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However, these would not be ideal at all for building a Pyramid especially with near-perfection.

Originally posted by 11118

The centers of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid. The effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions.

(Quote taken from: www.crystalinks.com...)

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Which raises another question, why go through the trouble of making eight faces?

I wouldn't call it an 8 sided pyramid, just a 4 sided pyramid with indentations. That's an interesting photo. Is it possible those indentations might be giving us some kind of clue about the construction method? Like perhaps a structure that was attached to the center face at one point, but later imperfectly removed, leaving the indentation? Just guessing, but I don't see any purpose for the indentations unless it's something like that. And if they had 4 ramps, one on each side, it might make it easier to do the one block every 2 minutes overall which would only be one block every 8 minutes per side.

I think the long stones could be moved around the corners of the ramp, your claim it's impossible assumes the entire stone needs to stay on the ramp, but it doesn't, only the center of gravity does.

Wally Wallington has given us some ideas on how to move giant blocks of stone all by himself with nothing but sticks and stones.

I do find it odd the Egyptians recorded so much, but not the construction method of the pyramids, that's a good point. It's nice to have a mystery to solve. However invoking aliens to solve a mystery like this seems like a stretch, especially with Wally Wallington's demonstrations showing aliens aren't needed. I don't think our ancestors were as dumb and incapable as some people seem to think.

I like the work, thank you. And I am confident that someone will come along to dispute certain areas.

I just want to comment on the thought of there being no writing in the pyramid. Now I know there is some debatable hieroglyphics found in the relieving chambers, for which there is a good chance that one of Smythes own men splashed the "Quarry marks" on after finding these relieving chambers... not sure if it was Smythe but the memory seems to think it was.

Lastly, in a small book called, "The Great Pyramid; Your Personal Guide", it shows a photo of the four curious carved "letters" in a roughly square shaped çarved-out hollow right above the original entrance Gables. In all photographs I've looked at since then, this area has been filled in.. and it seems obviously filled in as that area does not fit with the rest. To know for sure I would have to go there and take my own photos, but I do think something was hidden from us by the action of filling that section in at sometime in the 'recent past'.

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I'll give a better picture hold on.


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You can see the indention a lot better in this almost antique picture.

I jump to the conclusion of extraterrestrials due to prior beliefs, but also the fact that this could not be reconstructed today. The cement used cannot even be reproduced. Not to mention the accuracy to true North on the scale of 13 acres while keeping a meticulous shape.

The larger reason is the fact that these Pyramids just appeared into history with architecture of the highest order and then pyramids after that failed to get even close to the craftsmanship.

It's literally a black hole in history, and archeologists are too stubborn and arrogant to even attempt to change the current theories.

Originally posted by 11118
You can see the indention a lot better in this almost antique picture.

Yes!

It does show up better in that one!

Thanks for posting it! Very interesting!

This is why I like ATS, I learn things from my fellow ATS members like you.

BTW nice OP, with lots of different ramp theories with illustrations, well done!

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I also added some stuff to the previous post

Second line.

Originally posted by Tayesin
I like the work, thank you. And I am confident that someone will come along to dispute certain areas.

I just want to comment on the thought of there being no writing in the pyramid. Now I know there is some debatable hieroglyphics found in the relieving chambers, for which there is a good chance that one of Smythes own men splashed the "Quarry marks" on after finding these relieving chambers... not sure if it was Smythe but the memory seems to think it was.

Lastly, in a small book called, "The Great Pyramid; Your Personal Guide", it shows a photo of the four curious carved "letters" in a roughly square shaped çarved-out hollow right above the original entrance Gables. In all photographs I've looked at since then, this area has been filled in.. and it seems obviously filled in as that area does not fit with the rest. To know for sure I would have to go there and take my own photos, but I do think something was hidden from us by the action of filling that section in at sometime in the 'recent past'.

The 'Quarry Marks' were found by Colonel Howard Vyse during his excavations (which were extremely destructive) in 1837. He cut a tunnel into a series of small narrow cavities which were called reliving chambers above the Kings Chamber. The Quarry Marks were found written on the walls and cielings of the top four of the cavaties and said stuff such as:

The Craftsmen-Gang, How powerful is the white crown of Khnum-
Khufu
Khufu
Khnum-Kufu
Year Seventeen


(Above italicized info taken from Graham Hancock, Finger Prints of the Gods. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1995 )

Which was all very coincidentally convenient. Coming at a time when his costly and gainless season was nearing an end. About the time when a great discovery was in need to gain him the wealth to pay everything off.

It's questionable that these marks are the only marks ever found on the pyramid.

It's questionable that these marks were in such an ambiguous area in some random area that's out-of-the-way.

Several of the 'Quarry Marks' were found to be painted in a mispelt fashion as well as upside down and ungrammaticality. I don't think such prestigious architects would be illiterate in their native language.

Originally posted by 11118
It's literally a black hole in history, and archeologists are too stubborn and arrogant to even attempt to change the current theories.

I agree it's a mystery, but at least the stubborn archaeologists are still digging for evidence instead of just forming opinions in a vacuum. And this caption admits ignorance, saying that our understanding is really just beginning:

ngm.nationalgeographic.com...

Excavations near the pyramids are beginning to reveal how this ancient society assembled, fed, equipped, and managed tens of thousands of laborers to carry out one of the largest building projects in the history of humankind.

The indentations aren't visible in that photograph so seeing them really depends a lot on angle and lighting just as you said.

And who knows what surprises the ongoing excavations will reveal? We will probably learn some things in the future that we don't know today. Some of that has happened already but not much, there are still more questions unanswered than answered.

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The problem is changing the foundation that the subsequent history is currently based on.

If archeologist still are believing the pyramid was a tomb, Khufu's tomb, then they are drowning in a sea of their own perversions.

However, this is all my opinion. I just think it's all very fishy.

Just wanted to say, I've stood inside the King's Chamber of the great Pyramid and it wholly bare of any decoration.

There is one theory that postulates many of the main building blocks are concrete, poured into box shuttering moulds in situ This could explain how they managed to build it in the time that is claimed. Whoever did build it, that is still a mystery, exactly how they quarried all those blocks moved them and then fitted them, in the given time scale.

aliens do not exist. if they did they are cowards. man made the pyramids. in 100 years we created electricity and all nuclear energy. i'm sure there were some bright thinkers back then who had knowledge and access to technology which would shame our own.

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Thank you for clearing that memory block.. Vyse and Smythe do sound similar in my old brain, lol.

And yes I did read about the poor grammar and spelling of the "Quarry Marks", so it is good to see this brought to others attention also.

Thanks again.

Originally posted by 11118
If archeologist still are believing the pyramid was a tomb, Khufu's tomb, then they are drowning in a sea of their own perversions.

However, this is all my opinion. I just think it's all very fishy.

This guy Lehner sounds like he was pretty open minded when he first moved to Egypt in 1972, but after seeing firsthand evidence for 13 years, it influenced his opinion, so you might be interested in reading it:

www.pbs.org...

NOVA: In your extensive work and research at Giza have you ever once questioned whether humans built the pyramids?

Kai's TombLEHNER: No. But have I ever questioned whether they had divine or super intelligent inspiration? I first went to Egypt in 1972 and ended up living there 13 years. I was imbued with ideas of Atlantis and Edgar Cayce and so on. So I went over, starting from that point of view, but everything I saw told me, day by day, year by year, that they were very human and the marks of humanity are everywhere on them...

This is the kind of evidence that sways me, from someone who has personally seen and lived with the evidence but was open to alternative theories.

Originally posted by Tayesin
I like the work, thank you. And I am confident that someone will come along to dispute certain areas.

I just want to comment on the thought of there being no writing in the pyramid. Now I know there is some debatable hieroglyphics found in the relieving chambers, for which there is a good chance that one of Smythes own men splashed the "Quarry marks" on after finding these relieving chambers... not sure if it was Smythe but the memory seems to think it was.

Not a chance.

The grammar and some of the usage of symbols was unknown at the time but was veruified with other findings decades later.

Nobody alive when the chambver was opened knew enough about hieroglyphs to write the ones in the style that they found.

Ironocally, this led to a few claims of forgery at the time, since the glyphs didn't match what was known to them in those days.

It was Sitchin that grasped at this long-settled straw and revived the talk of the glyphs being forged, because if they were real the pyramids didn't fit his timeline for his bad fiction.

Of course, only the ignorant even consider the possibility.

To the OP. I laughed at your straw man about how the Egyptians "recorded every piece of their lifestyle in detail..." What a line. Sorry, but I didn't read any further than that. Couldn't think of a reason to.

Pardon me, but could you please provide the written details for the construction of Ramses III mortuary temple at Medinet Habu?
Or any other records of any large constructions from ancient Egypt?

Take the shortcut - there aren't any such records.

So, dream on.

Harte

Just wanted to thank you for your wonderful topic my friend! I loved it.
Finally, an interesting discussion on the great pyramid!