Ancient Astronaut Theory: The New, Oldest, and Only TRUE Religion

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
I'm really quite tired of seeing people insult the abilities of ancient people, I think they could handle building a Pyramid or carving some lines in the desert.

edit on 30-11-2010 by Titen-Sxull because: (no reason given)

Wow, this caveman-like mentality is exactly why we're in the predicament we're in today. You think they could "HANDLE" building the pyramids?! Do you not understand the levels of pure difficulty it would have taken to contruct the pyramids??? You talk about it as if it were as easy as putting some freakin Legos together! LOL, wow.

"Carving some lines in the desert"?! You can't be serious...I refuse to believe someone could be as ignorant as you appear to be.

reply to post by FlawlessVictory


Way to read things into what I said and place an attitude I don't have into my words.

My point is that humans completed these tasks and are perfectly capable of doing so without aliens in flying saucers helping them out. In no way does that mean building the pyramids was easy, it means that they could "handle" it, meaning they were capable of doing it. It is ancient astronaut theory that steals the glory away from the ancients by claiming they couldn't carve the Nazca lines or build pyramids on their own.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by FlawlessVictory

 

Way to read things into what I said and place an attitude I don't have into my words.

My point is that humans completed these tasks and are perfectly capable of doing so without aliens in flying saucers helping them out. In no way does that mean building the pyramids was easy, it means that they could "handle" it, meaning they were capable of doing it. It is ancient astronaut theory that steals the glory away from the ancients by claiming they couldn't carve the Nazca lines or build pyramids on their own.

edit on 19-4-2011 by Titen-Sxull because: (no reason given)

Ah hem....

Please explain:

1. Where and how did they acquire the knowledge of precise geometric shape, mathematics and calculations (for pyramid building) when, according to 'history' they were supposed to be nomadic cave dwellers.

2. Why and how were the pyramids built according to constellations, and match accurate distances to and from solar bodies, with no advanced telescopes?

3. Why is their writings on the pyramid walls that depict the entire solar system and drawn accurately to scale?

4. What were they able to precisely cut the stones with and how were they able to move these 20 tons objects back and forth through the desert with no machinery?


Its pretty obvious that a more advanced civilization was here, especially when you analyze how they were able to know about stars and systems (Sirius A and B) that we have just come to find out about in the last century.

No matter how much you feel they were star gazing, they could not know planets from stars, and more importantly, where Earth lies in the solar system without technology (or beings that indicated this knowledge).

I just found a years-old debate-style thread (actually run/managed by a Moderator) on the subject. "SkyFloating" did such an awesome job expressing my views on the subject - and so much more - that any further discussion on the matter without seeing this first, would be a colossal mistake.

Here it is - it is... AWEsome!

And, as you'll see, that thread is locked, so no further comments can be made. I would LOVE for that discussion to continue *here*, after folks have had the chance to see this awesome discussion (by both sides), 4 years later...

So good.

Or, for that matter, "Rising Against" has also begun a more recent AAT Project (last month), that is an excellent repository for all things AAT.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
I just found a years-old debate-style thread (actually run/managed by a Moderator) on the subject. "SkyFloating" did such an awesome job expressing my views on the subject - and so much more - that any further discussion on the matter without seeing this first, would be a colossal mistake.

Here it is - it is... AWEsome!

And, as you'll see, that thread is locked, so no further comments can be made. I would LOVE for that discussion to continue *here*, after folks have had the chance to see this awesome discussion (by both sides), 4 years later...

So good.

Or, for that matter, "Rising Against" has also begun a more recent AAT Project (last month), that is an excellent repository for all things AAT.

edit on 4/21/2011 by SquirrelNutz because: (no reason given)

Thanks!!!!

Bout to read it and I am anxiously waiting to continue it here!

Or, for that matter, "Rising Against" has also begun a more recent AAT Project (last month), that is an excellent repository for all things AAT.

A post hasn't been made to this project for a while now but It certainly hasn't been forgotten about. I'm just working on a JFK Assassination thread right now - particularly on Oswald - and I'm trying to get some of my theories "down on paper" so to speak but after I've finished this (less than a week maybe), I'll be able to concentrate more on the AAT thread.

I look forward to it also.

Very inspired...

I am ready to defend the AAT (Ancient Alien Theory).

Shall I do so here, or enter into an ATS debate forum?

reply to post by ButterCookie

1. Where and how did they acquire the knowledge of precise geometric shape, mathematics and calculations (for pyramid building) when, according to 'history' they were supposed to be nomadic cave dwellers.

I'm not a historian and I'm also not a mathematician. My advice would be to find one of those, find someone who knows about the history of how mathematics developed in Egypt. My best guess is that it has a lot to do with written language, once language was written down units of measure could be devised and standardized across the entirety of Egypt. Regardless it is far more likely that they would develop the knowledge on their own than receive it from aliens, especially with the complete lack of physical evidence for alien interference.

2. Why and how were the pyramids built according to constellations, and match accurate distances to and from solar bodies, with no advanced telescopes?

Again I'm not a historian and not an Egyptologist. Most ancient cultures considered the sky important, it figured into many ancient myths and legends and of course would be a source of awe for people who couldn't comprehend it the way we do today. However once again the idea that this is coincidence OR that they figured it out some other way would be more likely than aliens.

3. Why is their writings on the pyramid walls that depict the entire solar system and drawn accurately to scale?

I've never seen such writing. Please post a link. Again I'm not an Egyptologist. Once again however I must mention that it is more likely that the ancients were more scientifically literate than we give them credit for than it is for aliens to come thousands of light-years to teach people about the solar system and how to put blocks on top of one another.

4. What were they able to precisely cut the stones with and how were they able to move these 20 tons objects back and forth through the desert with no machinery?

From what I know it involved chisels and a lot of hard work, there was also a hypothesis about using an early form of concrete to pour the blocks into place. Any of the current hypotheses are more likely than aliens and each has far more evidence behind it than the total of none that ancient astronaut theory boasts.

they could not know planets from stars

Because the ancients weren't smart enough to notice that the planets moved independently of constellations

I know wikipedia isn't always the most accurate but it might be a good place to start:

Egyptian Astronomy

I love how it's acceptable to believe aliens created us, but if I were to substitute the word aliens for something along the lines of...oh I don't know...God...I would be ridiculed and mocked.

Basically all AAT amounts to is taking God out of the equation for the substitute term of "aliens".

A2D

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Thanks for the counter, Titen. I think you may be better off reviewing the previous few pages in their entirity and the material cited a few posts up, than debating a poster new/late to the convo (no offense, intended, BC - thanks for contributing)

reply to post by Agree2Disagree


Exactly, what makes even more sense, still...

Don't just replace 'God' with 'aliens'. How about replacing 'aliens' with 'ancestors'.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I love how it's acceptable to believe aliens created us, but if I were to substitute the word aliens for something along the lines of...oh I don't know...God...I would be ridiculed and mocked.

Basically all AAT amounts to is taking God out of the equation for the substitute term of "aliens".

A2D

Its substituted because Ancient Astronaut Theorists call Angels and Gods what we would call them in the 21 century....Aliens.

Our language and vocabulary has changed in the last hundred thousand years.

And we actually believe the bible to be true. The way we are able to make sense of it and account for all of the sophisticated happenings of that time (advanced technology) is this theory.......Instead of 'magic'.

And no mockery...other than religion itself, as the gods are no longer here to 'worship (work for) and the idea that a god is in the clouds listening and watching and intervening on people's personal behalves.

reply to post by ButterCookie


Right, you'd rather think there is an alien in the clouds watching and intervening on man's behalf. These days people will come up with anything to take away from the glory of God.

A2D

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Right, you'd rather think there is an alien in the clouds watching and intervening on man's behalf. These days people will come up with anything to take away from the glory of God.

A2D

Did you read my post? I stated that AAT's DON"T think that, therefore no need to please a god or have religion period.

No need to give Reverend Do-Right your life savings.

Be free.

God is not a name..Its a term, like Lord, President, King, Lietenant Colonel.

There were many gods here, and the bible describes this. They were an advanced race colonizing Earth, and needed a slave race for the labor....thus HUMANS.

Challenge that. I will support the AAT from the very bible that you read at church. .

reply to post by ButterCookie (and, Agree2Disagree , obv)


Well stated. I believe the Bible to be accurate in a LOT of ways. Historical accounts of events, people, and places. And, wrong, in a lot of ways - over 1000s of years, much can be lost, not just in translation, but also interpretation.

History Ch doing a great story on Books that were 'Banned from the Bible' - Funny thing is, most of them were all part of THE bible at one point (and then removed) or still actually remained in some 'versions' of the Bible for a long time. (Testament of Solomon, Book of Enoch, etc) Lots of magic, demons, and strange occurrences in all, as well as being referenced in other works.

For that matter, Planet Green HD (?, not sure how I found) did a great show on "Biblical Miracles Explained" - this was on stories that actually did make it into the bible, The Exodus, The Parting of the Red Sea, Sodom and Ghomorrah... and with new technology in cosmology, astronomy, and archeology, along with accurate descriptions/timelines in scripture uncovered recently in ancient/historical locations, scientists are able to validate many of the *stories/miracles* of the bible(s)*, but provide evidence and gives scientific explanations for almost all of these 'events'. Also, misinterpreted/mistranslated based on terminology and technology of the day.

Furthermore, examples...
"God" = 'at the top of the flames' (Assyrian)
"Angel" = 'messenger' (often pictured with wings, 'cause the... only way the could describe)
"Heaven" & "Sky" used interchangeably in at least 5 different languages.

Just for starters.

[Not unique to Christianity - or, any specific religion, for that matter]

Anyway... Now, we're thinking. Again, good post.

reply to post by ButterCookie

God is not a name..Its a term, like Lord, President, King, Lietenant Colonel.

There were many gods here, and the bible describes this. They were an advanced race colonizing Earth, and needed a slave race for the labor....thus HUMANS.

You'e right, God is not a name. We don't know His name but we do know that He is our God, our Father, our Lord, our Savior, our Rock, our Fortress, our Strong Tower, our Redeemer....

Yet again, you're right. There were many gods, but only one true God. There were many false gods. There were many graven images. There were many fakes. To be honest, there still are.

As far as an advanced race colonizing Earth and needing a slave race for the labor, I don't disagree but I don't completely agree either. The race that is colonizing Earth is Satan and his crew, not your little space people in flying discs.

The book of Enoch depicts the interaction of the fallen angels(Satan and his crew) with mankind:
(not the interaction of Greys or Pleidians or whatever crafty name they can come up with just so they don't have to say Satan/demons...)

"Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures".. "S[h]emyaza[z] taught enchantments, and root-cuttings Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqiel [taught] astrology, Kokabel [taught] the constellations, Chazaqiel [taught] the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel [taught] the signs of the earth, Shamsiel [taught] the signs of the sun, and Sariel [taught] the course of the moon"

1 Enoch VIII v 1. Later Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel look down and see the lawlessness caused by the fallen angels and make a petition to God to act. Uriel is sent to Noah to reveal to him the flood that is coming. Raphael is sent to bind Azazel, while Michael is sent to bind the associates of Shemyazaz (also called Samyaza or Satan).

So yes, there was "colonization" of a sort and it was by an "advanced race" if you will. But it's just not the "colonization" or "advanced race" that you wish it was.

A2D