The use of agent provovoteurs on ATS

Just some thoughts and some links

This from Wiki

Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents pose as political radicals to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S., such as the Black Panthers, Ku Klux Klan, and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.[4]

Denver police officers were also found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. This ultimately resulted in the accidental use of chemical agents against their own men.[5]

COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.

COINTELPRO tactics included discrediting targets through psychological warfare such as planting false reports in the media, smearing through forged letters, harassment, wrongful imprisonment, and extralegal violence and assassination. Covert operations under COINTELPRO took place between 1956 and 1971, however the FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception.[2] The FBI's stated motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."[3]

FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive,"[4] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the civil rights movement, including Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking "independence for Puerto Rico" and a United Ireland; and additional notable Americans, such as Dr. Albert Einstein.

More research would yield more information but what do we learn from all of this? The US is not alone in the employment of agent provocateurs but its history of use is well documented. Many groups and individuals have been targeted, groups defined by the FBI as subversive. Any yet we are supposed to believe ATS 9/11 threads have been devoid of this kind of activity, well let me ask, who here does not think ATS has its own agent provocateurs watching the threads.

It's happened before 9/11 and since 9/11 but somehow 9/11 truth is immune to these terrible government actions?

Peace

PS keep it civil.

reply to post by yyyyyyyyyy


Short answer, no one with half a brain would think a site as big as ATS does not have these people as members..

It's totally improbable to think otherwise..
So just learn to live with them..

Just try to learn to refrain youself from saying stuff that could cause you trouble with the "authority."
Bascially, halt and think twice before exercising your freedom of speech.

Ah yes, if you can't beat them, pretend they're paid by 'them' to disrupt your pet fantasies

There are indeed bound to be agent provocoteurs on ATS. Of course some members are just trolls.

Edit your title dude.

reply to post by yyyyyyyyyy


It is entirely rational to think that a governmental entity would want, and need, to infiltrate a unified group of people with a political agenda contrary to the present status quo.

Having said that... Why would anyone be assigned to muddy waters that are already so very muddied? ATS is the kind of sight where, without any intervention at all, somebody will come along and claim any number of outrageous things about 9/11, blaming nearly every political group, government, religion, and entity on the planet... even extraterrestrials - all without the slightest nudge from outside sources!

I suspect that there are paid posters playing in this, our collective "sandbox" but my experience has led me to believe that they are more likely to represent any number of private special interest groups than any specific governmental agency.

Then again, if we ever do achieve unity in a belief or philosophy that is contrary to that status quo... Well let's just say that I am sure the wolves will quickly notice. I think they are here watching... But as for agenda? It just don't seem like they'd need to waste the resources.

~Heff

Hi

First post, Glad to be here.

So, why d'ont we play them at their own game.We should create a character name for these guys on the forum. any ideas?. first prize is a seat on the illuminati high council.

One of The North Korea threads today for example went bizarre with people posting scare mongering about US troops massing on the chinese border.Obviously these guys are trying to stir things up,when in fact it was total lies and no such thing happened.

The wikileaks post a few days ago descended into whether the Wikileaks guy had abused a girl or not .Why? wasnt relevant to the post.
there are people here who will try and create delusion and twist the post away from its original context.

my advice is keep content sincere and relevant.will make for powerful discussion and will weed out the people that will trying pervert or twist the post.Some of us are finding information on here quicker than anywhere else on the net and that includes re*turs.

Finally don t know how your e time is going at present but I for one feel I am carrying huge weight around at the moment.so many things happening right now.the truth hurts.

Anyway

Derek

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by yyyyyyyyyy

 

Short answer, no one with half a brain would think a site as big as ATS does not have these people as members..

It's totally improbable to think otherwise..
So just learn to live with them..

Exactly...

And beware unmasking them...

They may bite.

MM

Originally posted by the_0bserver85
Just try to learn to refrain youself from saying stuff that could cause you trouble with the "authority."

THIS right here is what I'm talking about...

RIGHT THERE is some SERIOUS TRUTH.

MM

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Why should i have to think twice about my freedom of speech?

Wont happen until they cut out my toungue

Once you learn the patterns it becomes fairly easy to spot.

They go by the book typically, and there are books btw.

This strict pattern following behavior is ultimately their downfall, because they fail to adapt to new paradigms or dynamics that arise from time to time. They simply are not flexible enough to handle new ideas usually.

It's probably a problem with the power structure, everyone has to follow orders.

But had the agents been allowed more freedom in their efforts, they would probably be able to form more effective disinformation, propaganda, character assassinations, deflections or distractions.

That is why the Internet has become a issue, because we are beating them at the information war, slowly but surely.

So I am glad they have an inefficient command structure. That's a good sign. That means they are struggling.

reply to post by squirelnutz


I know how you feel but there might be a chance that your conversation/ post/ thread being "recorded" so to prevent it (trouble) before it starts to happen, you just need to take a moment to think before saying/ expressing your political ideology or your opinion on "touchy" subjects. You never know when it hit you.......thats just my opinion.

Once again, I really do know how you feel....angry/ piss off at your God given right being violated.....but when you had a family to take care of, you just have to learn to cope with it.

There was a similar post on ATS before where one of the Obama admisntration said that the goverment should insert agents into chat rooms for the purpose of undermining facts and something else I cant think at the moment.

In fact ATS made this a video in one Johnnly Anonymous's reports. Sorry I cant find it.

cheers

Originally posted by squirelnutz
reply to post by the_0bserver85

 

Why should i have to think twice about my freedom of speech?

Wont happen until they cut out my toungue

*APPLAUSE*
I couldn't shut up even if I wanted to.
I made the commitment long ago to speak my mind and never back down.
I've alienated plenty of friends and family, gotten a divorce over it and lost a job or 3.
I have my self-respect and you cannot put a price tag on that.

I would hope everyone has the moral courage to speak their mind regardless of who might be watching.
If speaking your mind is treason then hang me.
At least I had an honorable death.

Agents provocateur, on ATS?
What do you think the Pentagons' cyber warfare division does?

reply to post by backinblack


i offer the same logic, if these agents do exist , this is exactly one of the places they WOULD be!

along with disinformation agents, and the like...

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by yyyyyyyyyy

 

Short answer, no one with half a brain would think a site as big as ATS does not have these people as members..

It's totally improbable to think otherwise..
So just learn to live with them..

Certainly true. Go "fishing" for the idiots on ABS, select a likely target, U2U them a few times, then move to direct contact, and then... Further, if there is no org to infiltrate, guess what? Start one be carefully tailored raves on ABS! How better to be safely concealed within one than to be the originator. --'Course, you, yourself, would never directly promote violence.

I'm in favor of a very strong law to regulate the recording of all interactions between the gov-agent and the hapless idiot that falls into their trap. Otherwise, who's to know when the idiot was given a bit too much encouragement and actual help? Should not most of these gov-agents be consider acessories or accompanist rather than merely doing "undercover" work?

Well there is no way to tell if there are indeed cointel pro agents active on here. I read the notice on how discussions in this section got particularly heated, if there are any such agents, the mods took care of anybody who has been disruptive. It does not matter if somebody is an agent or not, dont get anyone who tries to derail the discussion offtopic, it does not take some kind of agent to do that.

megaphone
second line
www.abovetopsecret.com...

( hilarious post pg1 about some one compalinig about if mega phone was prevented on the fourm, people who answer the propaganda with the provable truth should be prevented too...)

Remember how during the flotilla incident there was pro israeli threads stating things the ISRAELI government had already proved were originally untrue pro Israeli statements? wouldn't want to argue with those)

Isn't this really called a goverment sting operation?
I can tell a agent easy, theirs hands are like a babies hands.
Never seen a hard days' work in their life time!

People on ATS trying to entice members into doing something illegal eh? I think that's disgusting, we should find out who they are and string 'em up.

Seriously though, it seems to me that half the posters on here are only here to antagonise and obstruct.