N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border with S. Korea

reply to post by Truth_B_Told


China would rip into the aggressor.


Clever plan..not.

It is ok to present theories and see things do not add up.But use common sense when it comes to communist dicators and exetremist causing terrorist attacks and Hitler Nazism.

reply to post by mishigas


KCNA media is biased,and so is ours thats just how it is.Propaganda goes both ways but unlike our media which is under capitalist influence the KCNA is is socialist in nature,the DPRK is singled out as the enemy because it is socialist and goes against the interests of all the other countries/imperialists.

I also do not understand the torpedo incident fully.All I know is South Korea blames North Korea for shooting a torpedo at them,and North Korea who is a communist lunatic dictatorship who has lied before in the past and starves its own people claim they did not shoot the torpedo.South Korea claims they have the evidence.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
It is ok to present theories and see things do not add up.But use common sense when it comes to communist dicators and exetremist causing terrorist attacks and Hitler Nazism.

oh contrair my friend
I am NOT taking up for Kim Jung Ill.
I despise the bastard for the way
he treats his people but that doesn't
mean I'm gonna roll over for every
MSM story against him.
All sides use MSM as propaganda tools.
It's wise to know which are real
and which are BS.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Were getting most of our information from the SK based news outlet, are you classifying them as equivilent to let's say fox? That's basically what your saying, am I wrong? From observing your posts on ATS, I can say that anything from news sources that does not fit your point of you - you discredit it.

Originally posted by amurphy245
reply to post by mishigas

 

KCNA media is biased,and so is ours thats just how it is.Propaganda goes both ways but unlike our media which is under capitalist influence the KCNA is is socialist in nature,the DPRK is singled out as the enemy because it is socialist and goes against the interests of all the other countries/imperialists.

No, it's single outed because its people are suffering, it constantly threatens other countries, and is developing nuclear weapons.

I really hope that you're a troll and don't actually believe anything you're saying, because if that's what you really think, you're about as deluded as they come. Think about it: you're actually suggesting that almost every news organization in the world is part of some grand conspiracy to turn everyone against North Korea. What's more likely: that every other major news publication in the world is leading a propaganda crusade against NK, or that maybe, just maybe, NK is the one releasing the bull****?

If you really think it's the former, then it's pointless to continue speaking with you.

Originally posted by Clisen33
Were getting most of our information from the SK based news outlet, are you classifying them as equivilent to let's say fox? That's basically what your saying, am I wrong? From observing your posts on ATS, I can say that anything from news sources that does not fit your point of you - you discredit it.

u say we're?
who is we ???

Also, I will accept as fact a story from Korea
if it has multiple sources from other news
agencies that corroborate the same story
and provide evidence of those facts.

I would be stupid to discount a story
entirely just based upon where the story
came from. Even a criminal can tell the
truth every once in a while.

reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari


Who threatens who?

Who invaded and attacked most of the countries in the modern history?

The USA. Your country has been hijacked for a long time and you don't even know it.

The MSM story is all you get and the news sources are also provided by the hijackers. Did you know that?

You don't even own your own country. Look at the TSA. Did you people finance the budget of TSA?

Do you know who is running the TSA?
Why Hillary Clinton can't tell the TSA to stop if she doesn't want to be groped?

Do you know why the US is fighting in Afganistan?

You don't know nothing !!!!!!

Because you are not the owner of the country your ancestors built long time ago. It is gone.

All you have is a piece of handguns in your closet. Hold onto it because they are going to come and confiscate it any time soon.

What has been worrying my little brain the last few days was this thought that occured to me:

Now ,I thought China's Regime were satisfied with chipping away at the west via economic take over/buy outs/loans etc.
A gradual silent war basically.
And doing very well at it at the moment,then I thought to myself,what will they do when they have chipped away enough of our power?-Is this the tipping point China have calculated will push western civilisation over the edge,a war with North Korea on top of all our other engagements...
Have they sensed the time is right?

Will this progress to become a Sun Tzu moment in time,caculated many years earlier?

That has been worrying me.
Guess I have to wait and see what happens.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


China is not a threat to the US, it can't be. Because they are in a symbiotic relations in the economic sense. One gains from the other. The problem is there is a group of globalists who wants to dominate the world using the military might of the USA.

USA has been hijacked by this group of globalists whose agenda is to establish a "peaceful" one world government.

The problem is in the word "peaceful" at the cost of your total subordination.
Why it is bad? Because they are doing it in secret. If it is such a good thing, what's there to hide?

Whenever some things are done in darkness, there are always problems. TSA's agenda is to train the people into the habit of subordination.

The North Korea is a thorn in the eyes of the globalists because they are not craving for the money the globalists wants to provide at the cost of total control.

In fact, if there is any remaining straight talker in the world against the agenda of the globalist, it is only the North Korea.

Someday you will thank them for standing up against this total tyranny by the globalists.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


China is not a threat to the US, it can't be. Because they are in a symbiotic relations in the economic sense. One gains from the other. The problem is there is a group of globalists who wants to dominate the world using the military might of the USA.

USA has been hijacked by this group of globalists whose agenda is to establish a "peaceful" one world government.

The problem is in the word "peaceful" at the cost of your total subordination.
Why it is bad? Because they are doing it in secret. If it is such a good thing, what's there to hide?

Whenever some things are done in darkness, there are always problems. TSA's agenda is to train the people into the habit of subordination.

The North Korea is a thorn in the eyes of the globalists because they are not craving for the money the globalists wants to provide at the cost of total control.

In fact, if there is any remaining straight talker in the world against the agenda of the globalist, it is only the North Korea.

Someday you will thank them for standing up against this total tyranny by the globalists.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


China is not a threat to the US, it can't be. Because they are in a symbiotic relations in the economic sense. One gains from the other. The problem is there is a group of globalists who wants to dominate the world using the military might of the USA.

USA has been hijacked by this group of globalists whose agenda is to establish a "peaceful" one world government.

The problem is in the word "peaceful" at the cost of your total subordination.
Why it is bad? Because they are doing it in secret. If it is such a good thing, what's there to hide?

Whenever some things are done in darkness, there are always problems. TSA's agenda is to train the people into the habit of subordination.

The North Korea is a thorn in the eyes of the globalists because they are not craving for the money the globalists wants to provide at the cost of total control.

In fact, if there is any remaining straight talker in the world against the agenda of the globalist, it is only the North Korea.

Someday you will thank them for standing up against this total tyranny by the globalists.

I think China is in bed with this recent NK aggression. We shall see how these events proceed, but my best guess would be that things are going to escalate. kj is a nutjob and his health is suspect. I believe he wants to see the Korean peninsula as one and wants to see this in his lifetime. So you know what that means. I think NK has a lot more than what we know/they show. (At least at the public level, what you and I know/speculate they have.) Within the alphabet agencies I'm sure there is still some hidden. It seems as if they have really done a good job hiding their programs. Probably due to help coming from China so that most of the basic huge R&D facilities aren't needed as I'm sure they are sharing some advanced tech so that NK can have smaller facilities that just more or less "assemble the parts"

Just my two cents on that.

If war breaks out between nk/sk its going to be a real bad proxy war. A war we cannot afford. A war that will bankrupt us. A war that will bring the west down.

Congrats globalists, its coming sooner than we think

Originally posted by amurphy245
reply to post by mishigas

 

KCNA media is biased,and so is ours thats just how it is.Propaganda goes both ways but unlike our media which is under capitalist influence the KCNA is is socialist in nature,the DPRK is singled out as the enemy because it is socialist and goes against the interests of all the other countries/imperialists.

Come on now, not even YOU believe that bullcrap.

I'm very serious and curious: how old are you? No offense intended, but you have some very naive views.

Watching Fox News w/Chris Wallace right now, and Juan Williams, a Fox contributor has just taken the approach many here have… that the U.S. is war mongering. The fact is, the drills are taking place in international waters. S.K. and U.S. have taken part in these types of drills for years. Yes… China advised us not to take part in these drills, but I would suggest that China knew long in advance about these drills taking place. They didn’t make a statement about them until they seen tensions rise. That implies that while they may not have been warm and fuzzy about these drills, they really didn’t care until they were pressured. Truth be told, China’s reaction to most of what’s going on in the Korean peninsula has been “toeing the line” so to speak. China’s main concern is the influx of refugee’s that will surely happen if N.K. goes to war, but I am sure they are weighing that out compared to war to replace Kim Jong Ill and Kim Jong Un.

Is it possible that there is some ulterior motive by the U.S. to take part in these drills? Oh, I am sure there is. But I doubt the U.S. wants to get involved in another military conflict. If we all know the U.S. is spread thin, I guarantee the U.S. realize that as well.

There is definitely some criticism on the U.S. for supposedly not jumping all over the 6 party talks. But really… how long can we watch the same old movie? We know what the results will be. We sit down for talks, give more aid to N.K., and they will saber rattle again within 6 months or less. I wish that worked for us here in the U.S.! I would gladly stir up a hornets nest if I thought I would get financial aid!! Haha
The fact is, these talks wont work. War is not the best option, but we are quickly running out of all other options when it comes to dealing with N.K., and we do have to deal with them. I may be mistaken, but I think we are required to stand by S.K. by treaty laws. If that is true, the people complaining that the U.S. is sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong just lost their argument.

China did the only thing they could do. They couldn’t take a hard line stance against the U.S. and S.K. here, because despite what many may want to believe, they don’t want war with the U.S., and they also know the U.S. does not want war with them; At least not armed conflict. Why enter into armed conflict when China could crush us financially since they own most of our debt? If China took a hard line stance, essentially telling the U.S. to get the heck out, they know the U.S. couldn’t back down, so it would have raised tensions. China also could not alienate N.K., although I am guessing China has had some high level talks with N.K. telling them to chill out because if they continue to push, China will not be able to help them out. While the talks may seem like China “blinking”, it really was the only course of action they could take here. China was caught in a “damned if we do, damned if we don’t” position.

In regards to Wikileaks doc’s… I am not sold on this being a false flag to take attention away from Wikileaks. I say that, because pretty much, all day when the news was on, they spent more time talking about Wikileaks then they did the N.K./S.K. issue. This could change, yes… but I just don’t see it, although we won’t really know for another day or so.

I do think we will see this escalate. All parties involved, including China, know that the 6 party talks will accomplish nothing. All it will do is hold off mounting tensions. I still have a feeling this is more Kim Jong Un then Kim Jong Ill, and if that is the case, then we have to face the reality that this is going to be a continuous issue for years to come, unless a country/countries move in to replace the N.K. gov’t.

I realize that many on ATS are against the U.S., or it sure as hell seems that way. Please understand, the users from the U.S. population on ATS is a small, tiny sliver of the whole U.S. population. We don’t all want war. We don’t all hate other countries. We don’t all think we are better then everyone else. We do care about others, and that’s evident by how much foreign aid we give to countries in need after disasters. Are our “elected leaders” shady, underhanded and most likely war mongers? More often then not, yes. But they don’t represent everyone in this country. While we all may live in different countries, we may look different, have different backgrounds and experiences, but when you take all of that away, we are all part of the same human race, well, unless your an alien... then I will shut up! haha

reply to post by boondock-saint


We as in the ATS community and everyone else. I see your point in wanting other sources, but unfortunately not every news outlet is on the front line of this event. I think you should start looking at news articles with a lot less theorizing. The way it seems with you is that you don't trust any network.

reply to post by notsoperfect

I am not sure that the China/US relationship is symbiotic,even though it is presented as such.
In fact I would stake all I own to bet this is not the case friend.
But don't mind me,I probably still suffer from the influence of cold war era propaganda or something.

Why would China go to war with it's best customer? China owns so much of the US and we owe them so much $$$ that declaring war with the US would be like declaring war on yourself. The fallout would not be in China's best interest, especially economically. China has a lot to lose and I don't see them putting their heads on a chopping block to fully back an insane dictator of a country that has no other allies. Kim's whacked and they know it, I think they will sit on the fence with the US and NK and mediate only, although, I'm betting that with all eyes on China's stance of the situation, they will seize the moment and make a political statement to the world in regards to their power.

Originally posted by notsoperfect
reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari

 

Who threatens who?

ok so lets break this down here for people like myself, I need to see how this really matters ? who fired the first shot ? When Obama deceived the people with a lie of no war-mongering while the media paints it off as "Games" and I quote that... The medias too have introduced the first shot conspiracy out to the public's so everyone can begin the pointing fingers all over again. Republicans regain congress, Democrats blame take over of congress for massing troops...

imo the first shot debate is the giant fishing lure and most everyone is taking a hit at it.