US Gun Statistics

Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Ban ALL handguns. Guns that you can hold in one hand and you can hide under tight jeans. And it isn't funny at all.

No it isn't funny at all. I myself have been shot at (.22 rifle & 12 guage) and on a different occasion my cousin was killed by a "high-powered" rifle in a hunting accident. I've also seen a drunk ass old man unload a clip from his 9mm across a 1/2 acre yard into the trailer next door all the while missing the dog he was aiming at. My brother got robbed at gunpoint by some black guy at the record store only 10 minutes after he cashed his paycheck years ago. Kids I went to school with were shot and killed in several occasions and a guy just a couple of streets away from me growing up tried to rob a store and a 12 guage ended his ability to walk anymore. My wife's grandmother accidentally bumped a chair that a .45 was sitting in, it fell out and hit her in the back...miraculously she lived. Hell I even shot a couple of kids with my BB gun when I was a kid (they totally deserved it BTW) and have slayed a few animals in my day. I could go on and I promise that all of it is 100% true.

But....

Because there is already 65 million handguns in the United States and they don't plan on stopping production anytime soon, how the hell would you ever get rid of them? You ain't gettin' mine, that's for sure. The law would just put about (1/6 of 65 million) is just under 11 MILLION PEOPLE in jail. That's because we have always considered it our GOD GIVEN RIGHT. It was described by the Constitution and inalienable, so frankly the gov't already infringes upon that right today. Just know this, if guns and/or ammo are declared illegal, that means illegal for you. There will still be plenty of people with guns and you will be powerless against them. The idea of a world without guns is utopian and completely unachievable, so the only answer is to let everyone have one.

reply to post by budaruskie


That's the kind of mentality that won't provide a solution at all. I am trying to provide a solution and your saying well since there is 65 million handguns in the US we can't do anything about it anyway let's just keep pumping more and see what happens.

Statistics indicate that there is more criminal intent surrounding handguns than larger guns. If you think otherwise, prove it. Simple as that.

Provide me with some sort of research which helps your argument. Not saying banning all handguns won't work because it is my God given right. That argument doesn't make sense at all.

Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by budaruskie

 

Provide me with some sort of research which helps your argument. Not saying banning all handguns won't work because it is my God given right. That argument doesn't make sense at all.

Sure, as soon as you can provide me with some proof of how your going to keep them out of the hands of people who want them. Talk about not making any sense, this is ridiculous. How about you just tell me how big the airplane hanger would have to be to put 65 million handguns, and that's JUST handguns. Here's some more "proof" that you are not being logical; if you came and by some miracle took my handguns...I'd saw the stock off of on one of my rifles and/or shotgun, modify the barrel and presto...handgun.

reply to post by Equinox99


Your logic is ridiculous.

What you propose is akin to saying the following:

Since blacks commit more violent crimes per capita, lets ban all blacks.


Does that make any sense to you?

reply to post by budaruskie


What to do with the 65 million handguns? Melt them and build better infrastructure for community centers.

But really though your thought on making more handguns to combat handguns is like the Fed printing more money to pay off the debt. It doesn't make sense.

By stopping production of handguns and slowly taking them off the market makes more sense then pumping more to combat this curse. Sure it may be your God given right to own a handgun but it is my God given right to not get shot.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
reply to post by Equinox99

 

Your logic is ridiculous.

What you propose is akin to saying the following:

Since blacks commit more violent crimes per capita, lets ban all blacks.


Does that make any sense to you?

This is seriously one of the funniest posts I've ever seen...
You nailed it

reply to post by Equinox99


Can we imagine for a moment...a world where guns/ammo just got declared illegal. The entire country would now be criminals to start with, and what do you think everyone is going to do? We're gonna just line up to hand over millions of dollars worth of merchandise and the last line of defense from tyranny? HELL NO!!

By the way, have you ever been shot before? Guns are legal now and you're still here. While we are at it we can take away everybody's car, because cars kill people and can be weapons too. Hell, a hammer or baseball bat has been known to kill a few people too. We won't have to worry about building anything until we find a way to cut wood and steel without blades. Where do you draw the line?

First time that's ever happened, just a double post here, move along, nothing to look at.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
reply to post by Equinox99

 

Your logic is ridiculous.

What you propose is akin to saying the following:

Since blacks commit more violent crimes per capita, lets ban all blacks.


Does that make any sense to you?

You are comparing apples and tires. You have to find out the proximate cause for the violence and combat that.
There is an obvious reason why there is more crime per capita for blacks than everyone else. Poverty plays a big role in crime.

If we stopped producing guns and started producing more food to help the world than the crime per capita will go down. If we make more guns and produce less food and water than you will see the crime go up.

A handgun has no other purpose than to shoot people. It doesn't help others and if you don't want to help society than that is your problem.

I am here trying to give a solution while you are here trying to shoot down everything. I completely understand where you're coming from, it is an American mentality which you don't see in any other country in the world, wait only 3rd world countries.

Originally posted by budaruskie
reply to post by Equinox99

 

Can we imagine for a moment...a world where guns/ammo just got declared illegal. The entire country would now be criminals to start with, and what do you think everyone is going to do? We're gonna just line up to hand over millions of dollars worth of merchandise and the last line of defense from tyranny? HELL NO!!

By the way, have you ever been shot before? Guns are legal now and you're still here. While we are at it we can take away everybody's car, because cars kill people and can be weapons too. Hell, a hammer or baseball bat has been known to kill a few people too. We won't have to worry about building anything until we find a way to cut wood and steel without blades. Where do you draw the line?

Can we imagine for a moment....a world where people cared for one another and not the love for themselves and their possessions. I am not saying make the guns illegal and take them from people who have them licensed. I am suggesting stop production on new guns. Than slowly start taking them off the market not by breaking down doors.

Let the people who have them registered keep them and the ones you bust for illegal possession take them off the street. Because there is obviously a place where the black market is getting them from and the only place to get them starts with the producer.

FYI, all those tools we have a need for them in society. What is the need for handguns that you can't do with a rifle? You're telling me you can't protect yourself with a rifle? really?

Originally posted by Equinox99

A handgun has no other purpose than to shoot people. It doesn't help others and if you don't want to help society than that is your problem.

100% wrong.

A handguns purpose is to fire a projectile. Where that projectile goes is determined entirely by a human.

I have numerous handguns, and they havent shot anyone.

Are mine defective?

If handguns dont help others, why do cops carry them?

What about the countless defensive uses of handguns? Those dont count?

reply to post by Equinox99


IF there were never any guns created ever to be hidden or repaired, I'm still not sure that it would be a better world. Remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you and I lived near one another and neither of us had a gun...then you'd more than likely be at my mercy. See, I'm a big fella, strong as an ox, can go all day, and have a real nasty streak. When I get hungry, you're gonna give me what I want! You're gonna wish you had a gun. That, is exactly why they were created so that the physically weak could level the playing field. I think it is unfair to little old ladies and other weaklings to take their guns away so hoodrats can come and go thru Granny's house as they please.

reply to post by Equinox99


A rifle is not the best choice for in home defensive usage, and should only be a last resort in close quarters with nice thin layers of drywall acting as the only impediment to a bullet taking your loved ones head off after passing through a bad guy.

Your ignorance on this subject is amazing. If you choose to debate something, perhaps you should try doing it on fact and not emotion.

reply to post by Equinox99

Let the people who have them registered keep them and the ones you bust for illegal possession take them off the street. Because there is obviously a place where the black market is getting them from and the only place to get them starts with the producer.

Exactly...Isn't that exactly how it works now? If you're gun is legal and you are legal, you get to keep your gun.

Now we are getting somewhere...yes there is a black market and yes it does start with the producer. But those guns already exist, they don't need to make any more. People aren't going to give them up, and they shouldn't. Because, those who take them will just.......sell them on the black market. Duh? We don't need nuclear missiles, but now that they are here we have to deal with them.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by Equinox99

A handgun has no other purpose than to shoot people. It doesn't help others and if you don't want to help society than that is your problem.

100% wrong.

A handguns purpose is to fire a projectile. Where that projectile goes is determined entirely by a human.

I have numerous handguns, and they havent shot anyone.

Are mine defective?

If handguns dont help others, why do cops carry them?

What about the countless defensive uses of handguns? Those dont count?

50% wrong.

You're correct about firing projectile....de javu...



Sorry back on track.

The purpose is for protection and killing other people. Whereas rifles and shotguns can be used for hunting.

Why do cops carry handguns? Are you comparing a citizen with a cop?

Do the 200 million citizens put themselves in harms way everyday to protect the nation? There is a difference between cops and citizens. Cops are hired for protection so that you can feel safe. If you want to revolt you have your rifles and shotguns. Why would you need anything else?

Originally posted by Equinox99
Are you comparing a citizen with a cop?

Are you telling me they are somehow, above the law?

Do the 200 million citizens put themselves in harms way everyday to protect the nation? There is a difference between cops and citizens. Cops are hired for protection so that you can feel safe. If you want to revolt you have your rifles and shotguns. Why would you need anything else?

I risked my life everyday for quite a while to pull oil and gas out of the ground. Does that mean that I should be the only one to get any? And seriously, handguns are extremely useful and would probably be the backbone weapon of a revolt, just sayin'.

Originally posted by budaruskie
reply to post by Equinox99

 

Let the people who have them registered keep them and the ones you bust for illegal possession take them off the street. Because there is obviously a place where the black market is getting them from and the only place to get them starts with the producer.

Exactly...Isn't that exactly how it works now? If you're gun is legal and you are legal, you get to keep your gun.

Now we are getting somewhere...yes there is a black market and yes it does start with the producer. But those guns already exist, they don't need to make any more. People aren't going to give them up, and they shouldn't. Because, those who take them will just.......sell them on the black market. Duh? We don't need nuclear missiles, but now that they are here we have to deal with them.

Yes that is how it works now but the producer is still producing and the guns are still being pumped into the streets. Yes those guns exist, but more guns will exist and more will be pumped into the street.

I am not opposing you having a gun at all but the gun market is heavily unregulated. Someone gets busted for illegal handgun will come out and purchase another illegal one. The reason they are easy to acquire is because there was a flood of them on the street.

What I am proposing is this:

Eliminate the producer and make the supply dwindle down. Make sure no one else can acquire small firearms. Those who already have them registered, let them keep them. It is the same thing that is happening now but the producer is eliminated.

Than it becomes a process of elimination. All the handguns illegally acquired will fall drastically, mark my word.

That is the only way to combat it.

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reply to post by Equinox99


With all due respect, I completely disagree. If you are proposing that basically there will be no sales of new guns, then those of us with guns are now 1st class citizens and those of you without are now 2nd class. What are you going to do about it?

Originally posted by budaruskie

Originally posted by Equinox99
Are you comparing a citizen with a cop?

Are you telling me they are somehow, above the law?

Do the 200 million citizens put themselves in harms way everyday to protect the nation? There is a difference between cops and citizens. Cops are hired for protection so that you can feel safe. If you want to revolt you have your rifles and shotguns. Why would you need anything else?

I risked my life everyday for quite a while to pull oil and gas out of the ground. Does that mean that I should be the only one to get any? And seriously, handguns are extremely useful and would probably be the backbone weapon of a revolt, just sayin'.

You took my words out of context and I didn't mean that cops are above the law. I am saying they enforce the law and therefore should have some sort of protection. Cops are hired and entrusted by the people to uphold the law, not be above it.

I am sorry I don't understand what you're saying. You risked your life how? Were you pulling oil and gas from people who illegally occupy the land? Or do you risk your life by the way you extract the oil from the ground?

There is a difference when you are facing nature or facing humans.

And FYI, you will fail miserably if your backbones are handguns in a revolution. You will be facing high powered automatic weapons and handguns will be obsolete. Unless your planning on getting as close as 20 feet with superb aiming skills, you won't penetrate their armor. I am sure you know how accurate handguns are compared to rifles.

And close range you can't touch a shotgun.