Which Country Is A Better Alternative Than The U.S.?

bloody hell dude anything else? ha ! sounds like you should harden up and make the most of what you've got. Your country might have problems, but so does everyone else !.. you wear your countries colours inside, that's what i believe.. you should be proud of where you are from ) so.. just maybe move to another state or something instead of running off try and make it work where you are or perhaps canada.. honestly i dont think americans really last long anywhere outside of america....

Originally posted by The Baby Seal Club

Originally posted by Adramalech
Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Poland, France, Spain, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Australia, Ireland and even the UK have better solutions to most things. They all have a free national health service which covers everyone from cradle to grave for a start.

You're funny. Before you give suggestions on where to move, you might want to learn a little bit about the countries you're suggesting.

"free national health service"

That's a good one!

Fair point, but they are free at the point of delivery (if you can't afford to pay at the very least) and available to all - and costing half what US citizens pay. So free to those that can't afford it and not crippling to those that can. UK NHS is more or less completely free at the point of delivery.

Honestly, five years ago I would have said look to your North. Canada is, in my opinion, one of the best countries to live in to this day. Our Government my not be far off from the States, but really the people here are fantastic. I can leave my car running outside a seven eleven (unlocked) and be sure that it will still be there. Living in the west/central provinces (like Saskatchewan, Alberta, or Manitoba) is your best bet...mostly small rural communities with a few larger cities, but crime is way down. I think this year the city I live in has had like...two murders and maybe half a dozen other violent crimes. Peaceful and quiet...

...you will, however, have to learn to stand the absolute hellish winters we experience, but other than that it's very easy to simply exist...maybe a biased opinion on my part, but it's what I believe.


GtkP

Canada. The United States 'done right'.

I think maybe you are a tiny bit paranoid LOL

You do know ALL thos security messures are for YOUR OWN safty right???

Im sure if one of your family members was attacked or murdured you would be screaming why was there no secirity cameras

I'm sure if someone sneaked a bomb on the plane and killed hundreds of your fellow countrymen & women you would be screaming for them to put tougher messures inplace to deal with such thing

Lets say you move to another part of the world because of thos things... Well theres a very good chance when there infrastructure catches up with the US you may well be leaving there also,

Maybe you should move to the sticks and live in a quite little village ?

I will welcome you in Romania .
en.wikipedia.org...
Or, as the logo says : "Explore the Carpathian garden!"
www.infotravelromania.ro...
If you are looking for a peaceful place, that's it .

reply to post by Sahabi


To the OP. I have questions before comments:
- where have you lived in the USA? Have you tried living in various cities?
- what have you done to voice your opinions to your congressmen, senators or other officials?
- what have you done to read the laws that say hold you down and want to move?
- do you travel by air alot? What has harmed you today that you felt free to do in the past?
- how many taxes have you paid? Do you work harder then your current co-workers?
- have you done any volunteer work or other community building tasks?
- have you ever held the door for another American and been thanked for your efforts and felt good about it?

My comments are:
- learn about your country. Try another town, small town America is great.
- think making it work in the US is hard, try being an ex-pat in another country and trying to get ahead of their "locally born citizens".
- just like we feel compelled to label foreigners coming in and taking our jobs, you will find that moving to another county, now *you* are the foreigner coming in and taking their resources. You're "that guy".
- tourists visiting a country are welcomed because you are spending money there. Consider what it's like when they hear you are moving in and starting to take from their resource base.

I feel you may not know enough to make a good decision. Reacting by moving out of your home country is a big move. Huge. And if you have children, they have to live with your decision and have little to say about it. Is this really all about traffic cameras, airport scans or is it about a fear to take responsibility and just make your own life better? You can have a great life in the the USA - why aren't you doing that now? Why not go to community meetings and talk about issues, why not go to your co-workers and try to make your company better by raising issues and working harder to make the workplace better.

Wayne Dyer has a story about meeting two people while he walked on the beach. Let me see if I remember this right. Someone recognizes him and says 'you live here?" and he says yes. They ask 'what are people like around here?" and he says "well, tell me - what are people like from where you came from?". The person says "they were great friends, good community. I'll really miss them but we found a new home here.". Dyer says "well yes, people are just like that here. you'll enjoy it!". Later, he sees someone else who recognizes him. Almost the same coversation ensues. "You live here?" "Yes I do, how do you like it here?" "So far, I just arrived - how are people around here?" Dyer asks "well, how were people where you came from?" Guy says "well, people were kind of rude, they ignored me for the most part, I didn't get along with many of them. I'm glad I left." Dyer then replies "You know, I guess people are like that around here too." The guy then replies "I do think that no matter where I've lived, that's how it's been for me. Maybe this whole country is like that?"

If you can't make it where you are, you may not make it anywhere. It's about how you make it with what you have. America needs strong, responsible adults who can help keep this country strong. The whole issue with government is that they think people want over-protection, like children. They need just to be told that we may not need to be protected like this - we can handle our issues without new laws every day to try to keep us safe like babies.

I'd say Canada would be great. I grew up within walking distance to Canada. Great people. Social people. They get together a lot more in social settings than we Americans do. I wouldn't move there unless I "had to" for a job that was too hard to pass up. But I wouldn't renounce my American citizenship.

a few things i'm wondering about.
if tshtf here in america, what makes you think places like canada will not be right behind us?

also, i and when something does go on, consider the laws that might be put into place.
for instance,
-once you leave, you are gone, say goodbye to family and friends for good. if you give up your citizenship you may not be allowed back.
-if the american dollar does crash, setting yourself up in another country may be far to expensive for your wallet.
-a country you could move to as an ex-patriot today may not allow you tomarrow.
-if you have anysort of record in the u.s. you can not move to many of the countries mentioned so far.

does this make sense? there are many more points that could be made.
if there truly is an economic crash in this world, aussie, n.z., most of europe etc......
will be in the same condition the u.s. will be in.
your best bet is to move to the 3rd world, learn to live on next to nothing and go hide in a very desolate area.
in my mind, the places i could disapear into are not the type of place people are discussing.
take siberia for instance.

reply to post by Sahabi


I would still stay in the USA as the people are very can-do. they have a whiff of revolution about them. Perhaps try somewhere warmer and quieter than where you are exactly. Please do not sue me if you stay and it doesn't work out (lol). That too is the American way.

Originally posted by rubbertramp
a few things i'm wondering about.
if tshtf here in america, what makes you think places like canada will not be right behind us?

also, i and when something does go on, consider the laws that might be put into place.
for instance,
-once you leave, you are gone, say goodbye to family and friends for good. if you give up your citizenship you may not be allowed back.
-if the american dollar does crash, setting yourself up in another country may be far to expensive for your wallet.
-a country you could move to as an ex-patriot today may not allow you tomarrow.
-if you have anysort of record in the u.s. you can not move to many of the countries mentioned so far.

does this make sense? there are many more points that could be made.
if there truly is an economic crash in this world, aussie, n.z., most of europe etc......
will be in the same condition the u.s. will be in.
your best bet is to move to the 3rd world, learn to live on next to nothing and go hide in a very desolate area.
in my mind, the places i could disapear into are not the type of place people are discussing.
take siberia for instance.

siberia is difficult place and you may have to feed yourself wolf meat to survive , hell carnivore meat is terrible for health

Originally posted by Kombatt98

Originally posted by rubbertramp
a few things i'm wondering about.
if tshtf here in america, what makes you think places like canada will not be right behind us?

also, i and when something does go on, consider the laws that might be put into place.
for instance,
-once you leave, you are gone, say goodbye to family and friends for good. if you give up your citizenship you may not be allowed back.
-if the american dollar does crash, setting yourself up in another country may be far to expensive for your wallet.
-a country you could move to as an ex-patriot today may not allow you tomarrow.
-if you have anysort of record in the u.s. you can not move to many of the countries mentioned so far.

does this make sense? there are many more points that could be made.
if there truly is an economic crash in this world, aussie, n.z., most of europe etc......
will be in the same condition the u.s. will be in.
your best bet is to move to the 3rd world, learn to live on next to nothing and go hide in a very desolate area.
in my mind, the places i could disapear into are not the type of place people are discussing.
take siberia for instance.

siberia is difficult place and you may have to feed yourself wolf meat to survive , hell carnivore meat is terrible for health

so? same with most of alaska, or any other northern climate.
people are making it sound like they will have electricity and flowing tap water when tshtf.
my point is, thinking your moving to some tropical paradise that will not be effected is ignorant.
if america collapses, most of the world will be right behind us.
the least effected will be those that have nothing to begin with.
they are the ones who will be least effected.

Originally posted by Kombatt98
siberia is difficult place and you may have to feed yourself wolf meat to survive , hell carnivore meat is terrible for health

yeah right. i for one wouldnt want to live in Siberia, but most people live in developed areas with all modern amenities. just not my type of folk. wolf meat? i know they have wolf problem in Kazakhstan where methinks gummint subsidizes wolf hunters. "carnivore meat"? was ist das?

edit: oh never mind. i got horrified for a bit since i used to be on zero carb diet.

reply to post by delicatessen

i for one wouldnt want to live in Siberia, but most people live in developed areas with all modern amenities.

neither would i, but it is high on my list of places someone could disapear.
the rest is normal for such northern climates. look at alaska in the winter, do you think there are more people out in the boonies than in siberia?
the natives just learn to deal.
wanna really find out how some people can survive, go live with the inuit for a while.
it's basically the same with high altitude folks.
try the high andies for a winter.

reply to post by Sahabi


Good alternatives are Canada, and um err....well just Canada I suppose.

2nd line.

New Zealand represent!

Yeah, NZ is the way to go. We get front row seats if there's any nuclear fireworks, just close enough to give ya a scare.
I believe NZ is still fairly easy to get in to - ofcorse the longer you leave it the harder it will get. We still have alot of the asian populations pouring in over here so I am sure an American can get in.

Peaceful, anti guns, anti whaling, pro nature and freedom.

Anti gun's may be a bit of a change to American patriots that are used to defending their rights to bear arms but in NZ the cops dont use them either so it is rare to hear of someone being shot.

The economy is a bit behind the rest of the world but if you ask me this is a good thing and I think it is because the NZ federal reserve is actually owned by the government not the other way around so they are quite realistic on how much $ they print, not having anything to gain themselves.

Work wise: There is work to be found for those who look, best sticking to main cities or it can be quite dry. If you are qualified you can expect to get a job as most kiwi's are not however expect a big pay cut.

NZ does not pay well compared to other countries - even less that Australia next door (Australia = 30% more pay). You can expect a standard 40 hour week with no overtime depending on industry. Although pay is considered low, so is the cost of living comparitively. If you are good with budgets the food is cheap and we get some good import deals on just about everything - somtimes just a bit of shopping around is needed.

Accomodation is easy to find most of the year round, avoid queenstown and other heavy tourist locations during snow seasons etc and you should be right.

Climate varies depending where you want to live, south island you get snow and mountains in winter and crystal blue lakes and green grass in summer, north island you get green fields/trees/rivers and sun up to about 30 degrees celcius in summer, alot of rain at any time and fresh cool breezes which are nice when it's sunny.

I have always loved this country and feel we are lucky to be a newly developed country because we get the best of others technology whilst not having to go through their years of trial and error. Located down the bottom of the world out of everyone elses way - what more could a paranoid ATS guy like me want

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just wondering, what makes you think that n.z. will survive an economic collapse better than anywhere else?

go to India, they dont use toilet papper or Italia they have big spagetti with spicy meataballs ! France! they dont talk english, or go to Irak ...Americans where there to help the country and the people, must be nice by now ...right?

Just my 2 cents.

HOLLAND

Basd on their attitude of tolerance and personal responsibility. Although I wonder about the culture shock after being in such a nanny state for so long how things would feel in that situation.

if I ever go back to Europe, I would go there and not back to the UK.

reply to post by Sahabi


Chile and all you have to do is learn spanish. Find a nice spot fot like 25,000 then get a h ome built self-sustaining for anohter 150,000. Hypathetically, it would be one of the easiest ways to get into the country, you can retain dual-citizenship and I imagine you have money, because that's about the only way out of the U.S unfortunately...All in all you could be relatively off-grid with some nice ameneities for under 200,000 which is a lot cheaper then it is to "own" a condo in Vegas. Google it man, then before you buy anything take a flight out, inspect the culture and people and the land and make sure it's an enviorment you want your family around and if it is just so you know marijuana is legal to grow there, just saying...

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Sahabi

 

Hmm well you might as well rule the western nations out. Britain for example has cctv cameras flooding the cities. Police brutality? I was not under the impression that our police here were the worse, afew bad apples here and there, it does not represent the entire police force. Other nations have it far worse.

If you are talking about a better alternative by a libertarian, tea party, conservative standard, probably Somalia in all seriousness. That country does not have functional government, government healthcare is non-existent, market regulation is unheard of (because they don't even have a market worth measuring). I'd say for any ambitious free marketer, Somalia is the place to be.

Not saying Britain is better or worse, but that cctv thing is an absolute myth. If you live in an urban area with shopping centre close by or heavy traffic area with potential for accidents/crime, then yes, but I would have to travel a mile or two to see one cctv and even then, so what? Is it constraining my freedom or protecting it?