Which Country Is A Better Alternative Than The U.S.?

Greetings and may Peace be with you.

Me and my family have been discussing the possibility of leaving America.
Here is a crude list of my major complaints against living in the U.S., in no particular order:


• Video Surveillance everywhere! I feel frustration and a sense of invasion at the thought that my every movement is or potentially will be monitored. Cameras at most intersections, cameras on many streets, cameras on the highways, cameras everywhere!

• TSA overstepping the 4th Amendment. The thought of anyone scanning or groping my girlfriend, little sister, mother, girls in my family, or anyone else is filling me with outrage to the point I fantacize of breaking noses of TSA agents. I now refuse to travel by air. What's next if we accept this? Checkpoints at street intersections? Random home searches?

• Senate Bill 510, and all the other legislation regarding natural herbs (not talking about marijuana) and organic food. God be damned if it will be illegal to grow some vegetables in my backyard! I enjoy my garden, and I love shopping at local farmer's markets. I do not want to be force fed the crap they pass for food such as GMOs, toxically fertilized fruits and vegetables, growth hormone injected meat, and so on.

• Police violence. The last couple years incidents of unnecessary police brutality, beatings, taserings, and even death in police custody has steadily risen. And there seems to be no major disciplinary action or condemnation.

• The Patriot Act. 'Nuff said!!!

• Deterriorating family structure. Glamorizing and propagating having children out of wedlock, having multiple "baby mommas / baby daddies," the norm of daycares and throwing parents into nursing homes, lack of family commitment, etc.

• Over medication. Forcing us to take all sorts of medicines and drugs without giving us natural alternatives or finding the root cause of the problems. Instead of lifestyle changes to treat the cause, they only want to treat the symptoms.




If you have any realistic suggestions, please share your opinion.
I'm looking to live in a place free from genocide, war, starvation, epidemic disease, civil unrest, or totalitarian government systems. A place that is reasonably safe. A place with decent work opportunities, and adequate hospitals.

The condition of the U.S. the last decade or so is slowly driving me mad... literally. I feel resentment, frustration, and ever growing anger and rage towards these new policies. I feel like I am living in a totalitarian government system, not the land of the free. I really feel like if the wrong policy or agent crosses me, I'm just going to snap!

I would knee-jerk say Costa Rica.... if only it wasn't backed by the CIA and the US Government as a whole.

All countries have their issues. Switzerland will take political prisoners, and most places outside of America are much less tolerant of dissent or have some level of censorship of political speech.

I would look into some of the BRIC countries. Brazil, Russia, and India have their own issues but they have many good things happening.

If you want to avoid police violence, good luck.

As for family values... I can't help you. This is a cultural thing... and the entire idea of family values is a glorified untruth.

If you want to have a family with certain values, teach these values and reinforce them positively.

I have been wondering the same thing....were else can i live in peace? Can't wait to hear what people have to say.

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Baja Mexico . Friendly and Safe For Americans , also isolated from the Inland Cities .

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Ok I admit I jumped the gun on the family issue. That's a fully relative issue based on your personal beliefs.

But the rest still stands. I'm frustrated, and I don't want to be driven to the point of constant anger and frustration with government policy.

I would honestly say Chile. The have a very conservative government, their economy was doing great (don't know about now with the worlds economy going to hell and them having had a large earthquake in the last couple years), and land is relatively inexpensive. They are on a good path, me thinks, unlike all the other countries in South/Central America.

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Here are couple of countries you may want to keep in mind>>
>Norway
>Iceland - if you love snow
>Switzerland
>New Zealand

The four have highest standard of living in the world.

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Hmm well you might as well rule the western nations out. Britain for example has cctv cameras flooding the cities. Police brutality? I was not under the impression that our police here were the worse, afew bad apples here and there, it does not represent the entire police force. Other nations have it far worse.

If you are talking about a better alternative by a libertarian, tea party, conservative standard, probably Somalia in all seriousness. That country does not have functional government, government healthcare is non-existent, market regulation is unheard of (because they don't even have a market worth measuring). I'd say for any ambitious free marketer, Somalia is the place to be.

Originally posted by DINSTAAR
I would knee-jerk say Costa Rica....

But even without the existence of US influence, Costa Rica would still have socialist healthcare and you'd still be forced to pay for the healthcare of others. Cross that one out.

To be honest, the rest of those countries are far more socialist in nature than the United States. No libertarian or tea partier in good conscious would move there.

Lets all make a massive underground bunker, move in and when the world has ended, come out and shape the world into the peaceful place we all wish for.

Definitely somewhere in Scandinavia or New Zealand indeed.

Originally posted by Sahabi
Greetings and may Peace be with you.

Me and my family have been discussing the possibility of leaving America.
Here is a crude list of my major complaints against living in the U.S., in no particular order:

• Video Surveillance everywhere!

Where I live we don't have one single Camera at any intersection. I think you may be confusing us with the UK?

• TSA overstepping the 4th Amendment. The thought of anyone scanning or groping my girlfriend, little sister, mother, girls in my family,

Wow, Let me ask you this...How many times has that really happened yet?

• Senate Bill 510,

Has that thing even passed yet?
Just curious....

• Police violence. The last couple years incidents of unnecessary police brutality, beatings, taserings, and even death in police custody has steadily risen. And there seems to be no major disciplinary action or condemnation.

Good luck with that one. There is police violence almost everywhere these days.

• The Patriot Act. 'Nuff said!!!

Couldn't agree more.

• Deterriorating family structure. Glamorizing and propagating having children out of wedlock, having multiple "baby mommas / baby daddies," the norm of daycares and throwing parents into nursing homes, lack of family commitment, etc.

That's all up to you and your family.

• Over medication. Forcing us to take all sorts of medicines and drugs without giving us natural alternatives or finding the root cause of the problems. Instead of lifestyle changes to treat the cause, they only want to treat the symptoms.

Again that's only if you act like a sheep and follow the crowd. Nobody is coming to your door forcing you to swallow this or that pill.

I'm looking to live in a place free from genocide, war, starvation, epidemic disease, civil unrest, or totalitarian government systems. A place that is reasonably safe. A place with decent work opportunities, and adequate hospitals.

Shangri-La or Mars.

The condition of the U.S. the last decade or so is slowly driving me mad... literally. I feel resentment, frustration, and ever growing anger and rage towards these new policies. I feel like I am living in a totalitarian government system, not the land of the free. I really feel like if the wrong policy or agent crosses me, I'm just going to snap!

I feel for you.
Could you give us your personal examples of your experiences of your rights being trampled please.

Originally posted by EFGuy
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Here are couple of countries you may want to keep in mind>>
>Norway
>Iceland - if you love snow
>Switzerland
>New Zealand

The four have highest standard of living in the world.

edit on 24-11-2010 by EFGuy because: (no reason given)

Norway i know know next to nothing about.

Iceland is a terrible suggestions as they are/ have been just holding on by the tiniest of threads. There economy is absolutely horrid right now, and that is saying something when you look at the global economic situation.

The Swiss well that has been gone over already in above posts.

As for New Zealand... Hahaha, good luck with that. It is a amazingly beautiful place and they have plenty of natural resources; however, my understanding is that it is far and away the single hardest country to immigrate to. The Kiwi's like their way there country is and you definitely have to bring something to the table to be allowed to move there.

My brother in law is Jamaican, and he says he feels way more "free" when he is at home.

I moved to New Zealand, and I liked it, but they have cameras in the streets (at least in parts of Christchurch) and when I mentioned they made me uncomfortable, the New Zealanders I was with viewed me as a paranoid weirdo....so take that for what tis worth.

I'm with you on this. I will fly one more time- and that will be me leaving this place. I just have to figure out how. I've got my dog and cat to think of too- UK will make me place them in a 6 month quarantine even if they have their rabies shots, from what I understand- and that's not an option.

Some things to think about:

More American Expatriates Give Up Citizenship
U.S. Gov.org Renunciation
Living Abroad: How to Choose the Country that's Best for You

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Baja Mexico . Friendly and Safe For Americans , also isolated from the Inland Cities .

edit on 24-11-2010 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)

Haven't seen much news lately, eh? Mexico is probably the last place on the planet I'd choose to live. Ya tourist spots are nice... because they are tourist spots.

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Sahabi

 

Baja Mexico . Friendly and Safe For Americans , also isolated from the Inland Cities .

edit on 24-11-2010 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)

Forgot about that. I have heard very great things from Baja Mexico.

Good find Zanti.

I doubt there's any alternative to america. there could be better countries though.

Well it seems like your leaving the country on a bunch of bad and mis-information. Here, let me show you the door...

Well unless you got the cash to buy your own island, and start your own country.... There is no place in the world to live that doesn't have pros and cons. In my experience US and Canada seem to be the best choices, and also each state/province vary.