Which Country Is A Better Alternative Than The U.S.?

Wooded areas no matter where, if you're equiped. These be the best places away from it all.

Not to rain on anyones parade but leaving your country instead of trying to correct what's wrong just seems, well, wrong imo. We have plenty of problems in Canada but I'll be damned if I'm leaving. Vacations aside of course.

If Antarctica was a country I'd say that, but sense I can't then I'd go with New Zealand.
Friendly folk, beautiful landscapes, a chance to get a walk on roll as an Orc in the Hobbit. What could be better than that?

Come on down to new zealand mate, all are welcome. If you bring your family, you will have a much better chance getting in than a single , unemployed male lol.

The immigration here works on a points system, i.e, they rate you based on your achievements / education / work history amongst a host of other things. It's not terribly hard to get in, and bringing your family with you adds points to your case.

The cameras at intersections thing, I have seen a few but only in downtown Auckland city , which is our biggest city, and they are crime / red light cameras haha.

I have lived here for 29 years, and I would never live anywhere else.

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Or you could present a reasonable argument against the information he provided, rather than posting a information-less, snooty, attack on his persona...

I don't care either way on this issue, your post is just childish.

Oh and don't bother attacking myself as well, I don't engage in internet chest pounding.

On topic:

I would move to Brazil if I was to leave the states, but that is just personal preference.

I plan on moving to either The Netherlands or Switzerland once I have finished my studies. I'm still unsure as to which one I prefer at the moment; Switzerland is not a member of the European Union and has good job prospects; and aside from the obvious reason, The Netherlands is a really liberal country.

Holland
Norway
Argentina
Macedonia (here i can sell you a house and help to find a job)

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If you think that the whole country is like you said then you are very ignorant of the country you live in.

There are MANY places in the U.S. where old school values still exist.

Get out of and away from the 3rd world cesspool cities and go out and discover America.

Find a small town and live there.

My family still lives in a small town and when I speak with them,I am jealous.

So,I plan to pack up my crap and leave the socialist 3rd world state of Kalifornia and return to America.

Most of the good countries are quickly tightening their immigration requirements to stop foreigners from flooding in. The UK for example will begin restricting entrants to the country under its points-based system starting in 2011. I imagine things will only get more restrictive as the global economy worsens.

Currently, you need to have at least a Masters degree, be under 35 years old, have a job offer from a UK firm and prove that you've had $3000 in your personal bank account continuously for the 60 days leading up to your entrance to the UK. That will get you a 3-year work visa.

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Not to rain on anyones parade but leaving your country instead of trying to correct what's wrong just seems, well, wrong imo.

Yourself coming from Canada should know more than anyone that leaving ones country is sometimes necessary.... unless you are 100% native american or your ancestors were slaves.

The vast majority of people in The US and Canada have ancestors that left the "old country" for a better life here. I see nothing wrong with leaving the country you were born in to find a better life.

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I spent a majority of my life growing up in Corning, Iowa; a small town in the southwest corner of Iowa, and you are correct about smaller population centers feeling more American.

Since moving to a major city, I feel an intense urge to return to small town America, where American ideals still thrive.

Originally posted by Dachende
Come on down to new zealand mate, all are welcome. If you bring your family, you will have a much better chance getting in than a single , unemployed male lol.

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So thats why I couldnt get in

I tried to get a job, but I didnt have a work permit, and no way to get one without a company to stand up for me. I lived for 90 days, the extent of my tourist visa. I really wanted to stay, but you guys wouldnt let me! So if you are a white looking male, your chances suck...as my unemployed white female cousin went there and got a job in a week! Feminine wiles, I suppose.

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Anywhere you want to run to in order to hide will be fine. One prison is much the same as the next as regards personal freedom and security.

If, in 1776, the patriots of the time had decided to just bail out, and run like hell, instead of standing up for themselves, you'd never have known what liberty was like in America anyhow, to even be able to think of running away from your troubles.

You would just have always been used to it.

Now, that you have chosen to run away rather than standing your ground, your children, grandchildren, and THEIR descendants will just have to get used to it.

At least it won't affect YOU, right?

Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Poland, France, Spain, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Australia, Ireland and even the UK have better solutions to most things. They all have a free national health service which covers everyone from cradle to grave for a start.

Originally posted by intrepid
Not to rain on anyones parade but leaving your country instead of trying to correct what's wrong just seems, well, wrong imo. We have plenty of problems in Canada but I'll be damned if I'm leaving. Vacations aside of course.

That's kind of harsh coming from someone who doesn't live in the States and therefore cannot completely relate to what OP is saying. Why is it wrong? Just to put it in perspective; one can't really say it was "wrong" of the Jews in Nazi Germany not to stick around and help fix things...can one? It's an extreme scenario , but your statement called for one , I felt.

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New Zealand or Australia.

I have been in NZ for 17 years. Yes it has its problems but they are minor when you consider it as a whole.

Cops are nice and polite and do not carry guns.
I would say NZ is is more "free" than US or any other western country.

There are a few NZers who are leaving for Australia because they think its better, but quite a few returning.

In a recent poll, Wellington ( NZ Capital ) was voted No 3 I think in terms of best places to live.

If I wasn't in NZ I would be in Australia.

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I have no problem with a person looking for a better life but it comes down to motivation. If it's because you don't like certain things then moving is tantamount to turning your back on your homeland as opposed to trying to right what's wrong. Sorry, I think that isn't right.

Forgot about New Zealand. That's OK too.

Oh, and if you are from the USA, read this

America, the grim truth:

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I'd say for any ambitious free marketer, Somalia is the place to be.

"Ambitious free marketer" = Pirate.

Damn, I'm there!!