Adolf Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood

reply to post by forklift


I'll take the bullet. I absolutely believe that Zionists were behind Hitler's rise to power and the Holocaust. To clarify, yes I believe that Zionists who believed themselves to be pure-blood Jews conspired to kill as many goyim/untermensch as possible on both sides.

Soldiers to the front lines, and impure Jews who refused to emigrate to the camps.

Think about it, those that were murdered en mass or in the war were neither pure-blood Zionists or pure-blood Aryans.

Originally posted by forklift

What's wrong with questioning or debating about the Zion/Nazi connection when you have done the exact same thing on this thread with the islam/Nazi connection?

Don't forget, this is a conspiracy forum.

Its just a matter of interest that many so-called "Israel critics" also happen to be Holocaust-Revisionists.

Yes, indeed this is a "conspiracy-forum", which is why you hardly find any threads like mine and many thousands of threads "critical" of Jews.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by forklift

What's wrong with questioning or debating about the Zion/Nazi connection when you have done the exact same thing on this thread with the islam/Nazi connection?

Don't forget, this is a conspiracy forum.

Its just a matter of interest that many so-called "Israel critics" also happen to be Holocaust-Revisionists.

Yes, indeed this is a "conspiracy-forum", which is why you hardly find any threads like mine and many thousands of threads "critical" of Jews.

People on this forum who are critical of zionist's are not here for a jew bash fest.They are just fed up with the BS being fed via media, papers and education system hence they come here and question the real entities running the circus.

reply to post by Skyfloating


ok for one thing just cause i question the rise of Zionism does not make myself a halocaust critic...so that is another generalization on your part...and also just cause there is more being said about the rise of Zionism on conspiracy sites is most likey cause it is safer to do so on them cause when you critisize zionism in public you get called....guess what....Anti-semite ...or you get called Jew hater ...or worse if you do disagree with the numbers of jews Executed during the halocaust or say that it is not quite the way that the Zionist press desribes the actual events of the day you become a halocaust denier which in some cases is justification for arrest....strange that is.

reply to post by Skyfloating

According to a majority of people on this Mid-East Forum its the Jews and America creating the extremists and the terrorists who are the freedom fighters who will liberate the world from U.S.A./Israel.

And the minority (people like me) believes that this is untrue and that the Extremists gain their power from Ideology.

I can not speak as to what the majority of people believes, but i can tell you what i believe. It´s the Zionist Political Movement(Classic Fascist System), that keeps the extremists on both sides in power. And you don´t have to be Jew or American or any other nationality to be part of it, because in fascist ideology, the State cannot achieve and maintain power without strict discipline and the complete unity of mind and body. In this way, physical violence is necessary to suppress anyone who stands outside the group and in the way of the State's power.

I have understand your thread, but the only thing that bothered me, was the fact that you made it sound like Nazi-M.B.-Palestine, and you have exclude the other side, which has equal part in it.

But i think we have derailed the thread.

Peace

I read this in Wikipedia after starting to read about Saudi Arabia and doing that thing where you click link after link:

en.wikipedia.org...

From October 1932, Dr. Fritz Grobba was appointed as the German Ambassador to the Kingdom of Iraq and was sent to Baghdad. Grobba was able to speak both Turkish and Arabic. He frequently spoke of Arab nationalism and of ousting the British from the Middle East.[1] Grobba purchased a Christian-owned newspaper, The Arab World (al-'Alam al-'Arabi). He serialized an Arabic version of German dictator Adolf Hitler's My Struggle (Mein Kampf) and soon Radio Berlin began to broadcast in Arabic.[2]

On 30 January 1933, Hitler became Chancellor of Germany. By the death of President Paul von Hindenburg on 2 August 1934, Hitler and his National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or NSDAP) were in full control. After the death of King Faisal I on 8 September 1933, Grobba convinced King Ghazi to send a group of Iraqi military officers to Germany for war games. After the games, they returned home amazed. Grobba also convinced Ghazi to allow Germany to send 50 German officers to Iraq for war games. He then convinced the King to accept German "research expeditions" to Iraq. Unlike the Iraqis, the Germans did not return home and, instead, they stayed in Iraq long-term.[1]

Grobba enthusiastically supported a virulently anti-British group of Iraqi officers called the "Circle of Seven."[3] The four leading officers in this group were nicknamed the "Golden Square." In time, these men represented real power as successive Iraqi governments sought the support of the military for survival. The members of the "Golden Square" had long looked to Germany to support them and, for his part, Grobba enthusiastically encouraged them to do so.[4] In 1938, a main British pipeline in Iraq was attacked and set on fire by Arabs. When this attack was found to be connected to Grobba, he was forced to flee. Grobba fled to the court of King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia.[1] Since 1937, Ibn Saud was reported to be "on the outs" with the British[5] and, in 1939, his emissary was reported to be seeking arms in Germany.[6] From November 1938 until September 1939, Grobba was also the German Ambassador to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

In February 1942, Grobba was named foreign ministry plenipotentiary for the Arab States, a job that entailed liaison between the Nazi German government and Arab exiles in Berlin, like Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. In December 1942, Grobba was named to the Paris branch of the German archives commission. He held this post until his brief return to the foreign ministry in April 1944.

It also goes on to say that Grobba felt Hitler had a wasted opportunity in the Middle East as allies because he felt racist towards them and wanted to focus on his other allies. But this didn't stop Nazi ideas from spreading? I mean the guy translated Mein Kamp into Arabic and had Arabic broadcasts in Berlin. Not only this Berlin has Arabic exiles. And Grobba himself worked as a German ambassador in Iraq, sent Iraqi military officers to Germany, and 50 German military officers to Iraq and spent time at King Ibn Saud's court in Saudi Arabia as a person with probably a lot of influence, considering his position!

Now, I don't think that people who argue that Zionism of ages past is still a problem today in the Middle East should be able to also argue that Nazism did not have an influence in the thinking of Middle Eastern rules and policies because it was oh so long ago. That and a recent thread showed that in the Saudi Arabian national curriculum used today, textbooks list the reprehensible qualities of Jews, and call them apes and pigs.

reply to post by Skyfloating

What I did say is that there is a Connection between the Ideology of Islamofascism and Nazi-Fascism.

As I have stated repeatedly you have not cleared the bar that would make any of these Islamic groups fascist.

Without an actual fascist system they are basing their strong dislike and distrust of Zionists and Israelis on, this just makes them people who have a strong dislike of Zionists and Israelis, not fascists.

You have certainly had ample opportunity to display the actual fascist foundations of these organizations by attempting to display the presence of the four classic cornerstones of the Fascist System, but have failed to do so, since the four classic cornerstones of the Fascist System are not present in Islam itself and or in these Islamic motivated groups.

Your connection might as well be as redundant as Nazi's ate bread, Muslims eat bread, therefore Muslims are Nazis!

You put words in other peoples mouths every time you "Debate" on ATS. Are you even capable of honest conversation?

I could easily point out a dozen occassions where you have done just that in this debate just in relation to the debate you and I are having within the debate.

All I have done in fact is detail what real fascism is, and what the political motivations and goals would be of someone atempting to claim that dislike, or distrust of Israeli and Zionist politics automatically makes you a fascist.

Which since true Fascist idealogy as evidenced by the four classic cornerstones of a fascist system does not exist within these groups you are attempting to falsely label as fascist people and groups who are not fascist makes them actually not fascists.

Your opening piece and your evidence and rationality for it is simply too deficient for you to sell it in the face of such honest scrutiny so no matter what kind of fit you pitch or slanders you engage in, that's not going to change, until or unless you can actually present a compelling case, that displays a real fascist system and idealogy in these groups.

Sorry but the real and ever growing threat of true fascism in too many nations presently, is to serious, to indulge these misrepresentations aimed solely at confusing people in that regard, and further vilfying a people, that have already been over villified to start by falsely representing their motivations.

Meanwhile in case you haven't noticed your Opening Piece has been debunked over and over again, and your thread completely derailed.



Better luck next time my friend.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

There are surviving copies in a few museums.

Oh, so this is not actually an official document or household-book of Zionists (Jewish Settlers)? I see.

reply to post by Skyfloating


yeah no official documents, as all the "proof" you pretend have given us

namaste

Conclusion

I received messages from people thanking me. Many didnt even know Iran sponsors both Holocaust-Denial conferences and the Hezbollah. Even facts one would think are generally known are sadly not.

Many didnt realize that Al-Husseini of the Muslim Brotherhood was pals with Hitler. Many didnt realize the Sudan-Genocide was done by Al-Bashir of the Muslim Brotherhood. Many didnt know that Hamas is also linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Fact: Muslim Brotherhood = Links to Hitler. Links to Genocide in Sudan. Links to Suicide Bombers. Links to Hamas.

Such Brotherhoods are a menace to the world and to our muslim friends.

All and all this thread has done a great service to Muslims because they see who the troublemakers in their midsts are.

Its done of service to Israelis in reinforcing to "Keep those walls up as long as the Hamas rule!!"

And its been of service to ATSers who are bombarded by anti-semitic hate-speech on a daily basis with hardly any thread that presents the other side.

Farewell Friends. Its been a blast.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hey Proto!

Just wondering if it's true that you believe there's some sort of link between zionism and nazism?

If you do, than can you please start a thread on it and elaborate on your findings.You don't have to prove anything, just make it an info based thread on the topic where everyone can add their own bits together so that we can understand the wider picture and if there's any conspiracy with good evidence than we can start an offcial thread on it.

In your early post you said:

While the Zionist Protocols are most certainly a hoax, the Zionest Manifesto is a real museum piece book published by groups like the Stern Gang fighting the British Mandate and trying to violently birth a state.

Why do you believe the protocols are a HOAX when everything in it has been coming true?

Quick Recap of the Protocols:

• Place our agents and helpers everywhere
• Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
• Start fights between different races, classes and religions
• Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
• Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
• Appeal to successful people’s egos
• Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
• Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
• Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
• Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
• Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
• Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
• Rewrite history to our benefit
• Create entertaining distractions
• Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
• Encourage people to spy on one another
• Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
• Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
• Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
• Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
• Replace sound investment with speculation
• Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
• Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

Zionist manifesto sounds simillar to the Protocols and Protocols sounds simillar to the Talmudic scriptures.

And what's your view on zionist's?

I believe Khazarian jews and Zionist's are not the real jews.The real jews are the ones who don't believe in the creation of israel and detest zionism and it's terrorist activities.Now zionism is not limited to the 'jews' only but you will also find zionist christians who have simillar beliefs.The zionist jews seem to follow Talmudic scriptures while the real jews only follow the Torah.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Pope = Links to hitler, yet he's a leading role for christianity.

Anyway goodluck with your future threads, just make sure they are not as baseless as this one.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

There are surviving copies in a few museums.

Oh, so this is not actually an official document or household-book of Zionists (Jewish Settlers)? I see.

Except they weren't settlers, they were militants carrying out terrorist attacks against British Administrators, U.N. Diplomats, Jewish shopkeepers and farmers who hired Arabs, and Arab villagers.

Further how official can a 242 page book be, created by terrorist orginizations as yet without an official state.

Yet considering many of the Zionists leaders including Yitzhak Shamir the murderer of a U.N. Special Envoy and his aide which used these books as a blueprint went on to be Israeli Prime Ministers and Generals, it is doubtful they abandoned their idealogy and greater goals that went well beyond attaining mere statehood as laid out in these books.

Considering the manipulation that has since occured within several Western Governments that further support the book's agenda then it is safe to presume the Zionist Manifesto is still being religiously pursued at the highest echelons of power.

So let us not pretend two vital things here, well three actually.

1. You originally claimed such books did not exist.
2. You certainly haven't read the 242 page book, written in Hebrew between your first alleged discovery of it last night, and this morning.
3. That you had said you were going to desist in interactions that would lead to proto having to correct and clarify things for you.

You have displayed a very weak understanding of actual Zionist and Israeli history, and if your understanding about the history of Israel is so deficient, it's hard to imagine based on your largely fictional original piece, that your understanding of overall regional history is any more sound or relevant to an intelligent discussion.

Emnity between the sects of Abraham predates Hitler by thousands of years Skyfloating, Jewish, Christian and Muslim settlers in Palestine predates Hitler by thousands of years. In fact up until the first Zionist incursions into Palestine aproximately 10,000 Jews who never went into Diaspora had been living peacefully with their Christian and Muslim brothers, and under Ottoman rule, and Muslim rule, for thousands of years.

This began to change not on account of Hitler but in the late 1800's on account of Zionism and Zionist goals.

In fact it is well documented that Zionist Organizations such as the Stern Gang once again at that time under the leadership of Yitzhak Shamir made repeditive and serious overtures to the Nazi regime to join forces against the British to end their Mandate of the Colony in Palestine.

These are well documented. So you could have just as easily tainted these founding Zionists of Israel with the Nazi brush too.

While you certainly have every right to voice and display your opinions, I think it's fairly evident by now, your opinions are simply opinions.

You haven't thought your presentation through very well Skyfloating, the ellements of history you sought to ommit are in fact to critical to be ommited and your theories fail to take into considertion the true definition of fascism.

Now you are stuck having to deal with all those things, and that's not my fault but your own.

You created a highly sensationalized opening piece, poorly researched and thought through and now it's come how to roost on you.

reply to post by Skyfloating

I received messages from people thanking me. Many didnt even know Iran sponsors both Holocaust-Denial conferences and the Hezbollah. Even facts one would think are generally known are sadly not.

I bet I recieved more messages from people thanking me than people thanking you.

Of course the people thanking me were probably better educated enough to know that yes Iran has many conferences aimed at better understanding the Holocaust, that the Israeli Government refuses to attend despite invitation, but that many Orthodox Jews do.

Hezbollah was in fact sponsored by Iran decades ago, and anyone who doesn't undersand that is not very schooled in the politics of the region.

Further that Hezbollah was founded inside of Civil War Lebanon as a Shia dominated faction, to combat against Sunni dominated factions that were the proxy of Syria, the Christian and Druze militias of Lebanon, and to a lesser extent the Israeli held buffer Zone in the south of the Country, where Israeli forces would often mount encursions into the north of the Country to take advantage of the instability caused by the civil war, to aide the Christian militias in masacaring Palestinians segregated into camps in nothern Lebanon as stateless people, that had been driven over the border at gunpoint by Israelis in 1948.

So by no means was Hezbollah founded as a anti-Israeli group. Though it has taken on that role more in recent years as Israel has continued to harass and invade Lebanon to keep it unstable.

Hamas itself was founded by Palestinians working with the MOUSAD and is well documented as being such, to counter the main Palestinian organization originally created and led by Yassar Arafat.

Hamas's founding can not be traced to Hezbolla, or Iran, in large part because Hamas is Sunni, and Hezbollah is Shia.

While Hamas has in the last few years recieved moral support and perhaps some financial support from Iran this is really no different than some of the militant groups inside Iran who recieve moral and financial support from the U.S., Israel, England, and the Persian Prince the son of the deposed Shah.

No matter how big of text you use, in conclusion, your thread simply apparently appeals to those with a limited understanding of history and a prejudice and predisposition against Islam or in favor of Israel, absent actually knowing any significant history or details of the growing friction between the two, starting in the early 1900's as a result of machinations of the Zionist Congress to reestablish an Israeli state at the expressed expense and sacrifice of the local indigenous population.

That there is no such thing as an Islamist Fascist, because the fascist cornerstones are not in place within their system.

And that you are simply trying to confuse people into misidentifying fascism to both aide fascist systems that support Israeli politics and expansionist ambition, their apartheid state, and genocidal campaigns against Palestinians, and to further vilify Muslims as Nazis by first trying to identify them as Fascists when clearly they are not.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

This began to change not on account of Hitler but in the late 1800's on account of Zionism and Zionist goals.

Since than:

The theory and ideas of Communism were developed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in the 19th century. The first government established on those principals was that of Russia under Vladimir Lenin in October of 1917.

Karl Marx was a jew and so was Vladimir Lenin.

Karl Liebknecht was a jew.

Leon trotsky was a Khazarian jew.

Stalin favoured zionism and had 3 Jewish wives.

While 40million Russian Christians died due to hunger and war under these communist nutters.

Scientifically proven Hitler has jewish Khazarian/Askhanazi ancestory through DNA findings.

Protocols:-Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism

Coincidence?

reply to post by forklift

Just wondering if it's true that you believe there's some sort of link between zionism and nazism?

It's much more complicated than that. It becomes very tempting for people on both sides of the issue to over simplify things, but there are very complex ellements involved that go way beyond just those two distinctions.

To really understand what's transpired you have to go a lot further back in time to the creation of the religions and financial systems, and debt, and the bloodlines that propel world events through their manipulation of religious and financial systems, debt, war, fear, greed etc.

One of the problems is few people understand the actual logistics of these greater ellements and religion itself often shades the picture in ways that people aren't always prepared to see it in logical black and whites.

Jews are prone to scream, they are God's chosen people, and 'he' gave them their land, while Christians and Muslims as well as Jews are apt to dismiss the actuall players and machinations in favor of their belief in 'prophecy' that events are manipulated by the blood lines and their financial agents and generals to mimick.

I have been focused with the help of a few other members in digging up documents and research that will lay much of this out that will more or less prove that the nations as we know them are financial corporate fictions, who are largely controlled through blood line ownership of the stock and bonds of the nations and their debts.

Helping people to see the nations and religions as corporate fictions and enterprises designed to create debt, that enslaves the people to the principles of debt, while backing it up with the divine right of Kings and Nations based on religious concepts is the key to really cracking this all open.

Many people presume that their is a "Jewish Conspiracy" but the real conspiracy is to hide the financial pieces of the puzzle by dividing people through religions that basically 2/3rds of the earth population believes in, in various forms, that create the illusion of divine guidance instead of earthly men, simply conspiring for control by so endebting the people and confusing them as to it's nature.

Where most of these conspiracies tragically fail, is because they are simply dealing with one piece of the puzzle, taken out of context from the picture of the entire puzzle, like this Original Piece in this thread, the piece of the puzzle they are trying to reinvent simply does not fit.

My efforts are aimed at clarifying the whole puzzle for people, because until people can come to that realization of the entire nature and origins of the problem, then the disconnected pieces of the puzzle are simply going to be distractions and ruses that take them in the opposite direction of understanding the puzzle.

I am highly cognizant of the fact that many people believe there is a massive Jewish Conspiracy but based on my own research of the big picture, that is simply not the case. However Judaism and all the religions are basically formed to assist one another, and play off of one another, by trying to create the prophecies of the other religions to give the religions credence since the God in question is absent in the equation by way of providing a definitive explanation himself.

You can expect a epic thread to published shortly detailing the financial part of the picture and the limited but not dominant role some Zionists play in that.

In the meantime I would advise people to put the fears aside threads like this are designed to create, because they are all about maintaining and enflaming the divisions that are being used to keep us from understanding who is really running this three ring circus, why, and where they are ultimately hoping to run it too and how.

What the world needs now is more honest communication, some real facts, and a willingness to strive for peace, true peace, not peace through war and preemptive war aimed at might makes right philosphies, that keep entrenching and perpetuating these cruel deceptions we have been taught to believe to divide us to that end, for the benefit of the total control of just a very small group of people.

None of us should be enemies in that regard, and as soon as people begin to understand that there is no reason to be enemies and fear one another, then I am fairly confident the world can grow up and deal with the perversions of truth, and the false and enslaving systems the bloodlines and the elite have been subjecting us to for millenia.

Hang in there, help is on the way!

reply to post by forklift


The reason I believe the Zionist protocols to be a hoax, is because when and who allegedly wrote them, don't in fact mesh.

As Skyfloating himself pointed out in his thread on the issue, a few different groups could be interchanged with the Zionists in the protocols.

What makes them plausible is the fact that it's a fairly standard operating procedure of the banking cartels, yet while the banking cartels do have Zionist Frontmen acting as Agents, that is only to create the illusion that the Banking Cartels are Jewish owned, when in fact, they aren't Jewish owned.

They simply represent the combined wealth of several sovereign entities and several nobles and patricians.

Religion is simply being skillfully used to divide and confuse the people, and I am not of the belief that the average congregant of any religion is involved in these machinations, but is simply a victim of them.

As long as you are willing to believe one religion is more guilty than another and is driving world events you have fallen into the trap that is going to keep you from identifying who the real very small group of people who is driving world events is.

I am not anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, or anti-Christian, these are in fact all my fellow human beings, and they are all being manipulated through religious tainted world views to their own detriments.

In short there is no Jewish conspiracy, and that is not to say tough that the politics of Israel and Zionism are not a part of a much bigger conspiracy or that Israeli policies are not part of a bigger conspiracy, the average Jew is not involved in this and are no more guilty than any other person, who isn't asking truly hard and probing questions, to instead favor just blaming it all on someone from another group, of the many, many divisions created and maintained to keep us divided at one another's throats instead of looking to our Masters for answers and to hold them to account.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

“While you certainly have every right to voice and display your opinions, I think it's fairly evident by now, your opinions are simply opinions”

Yes, like when you bring your intellectual deduction that Jews decided to sacrifice 6 million of them, because 6 has some godly meaningful significance. (Auschwitz thread and many others)

"where Israeli forces would often mount encursions into the north of the Country to take advantage of the instability caused by the civil war, to aide the Christian militias in masacaring Palestinians

“

As someone who pretend to know history, you never distort it. Ever.

"Hamas itself was founded by Palestinians working with the MOUSAD and is well documented as being such, to counter the main Palestinian organization originally created and led by Yassar Arafat. “

Well documented? I'm sure it does in the web sites that like to distort history and accuse Israel\ Zionists\Jews for every wrong doing in the world. Web site I'm sure you find much joy reading.
As usual, you take a grain of truth and turn it to fit your beliefs.

"While Hamas has in the last few years recieved moral support and perhaps some financial support from Iran this is really no different than some of the militant groups inside Iran who recieve moral and financial support from the U.S., Israel, England, and the Persian Prince the son of the deposed Shah. “

Maybe so, but do you have any evidence of that, or is it your usual “I know history, there for I don't need to bring proof” ?

“No matter how big of text you use, in conclusion, your thread simply apparently appeals to those with a limited understanding of history “

No matter how long your text is in 99% of every post you make in ATS, it still doesn't make it true or make you look smart.

reply to post by gravitational


You know I think it's very telling when these types of threads evolve to 'all about proto'.

Proto said this, and proto said that, and proto did this and proto did that.

To deny the signifigance of the foundations of the religions in these topics is rather absurd. To imagine the teachings in these relgions scripture, the numerology and the symbolism has no relevance to people practicing these religions is rather foolhardy and disengenous.

Yes there is strong evidence that numerology born of Hebrew scripture plays a real role in the official story of the Holocaust.

Ignoring those elements is not academically honest or intellectually sound no matter who this offends politically who favors some form of 'political correctness' that is all about politics and not a accurate or true reflection of all the disparate but significant elements involved.

While official strories are becoming a matter of law in some nations, I am not bound by those laws, or the peculiar sensibilities of some who prefer for political reasons not to fully investigate all the relevant and pertinent data.

In reality I am one of the few people on the boards not willing to dismiss things onto one convenient group or another for the sake of a political agenda.

While many seem to want to purport this is somehow uniquely offensive, clearly many find it uniquely refreshing, and helpful and noteworthy.

Yet in the end if your argument is so full of holes, that at the end it all boils down to attempting to discredit or vilify the person who pointed out all the holes in it, then the argument is not very sound.

While appeareances can be manipulated that illusion will not and does not fool all the people all the time.

My quest is not to tell people what they want to hear, or make friends, in that pursuit, but to get to the absolute rock bottom of this all, and get at the truth that will set people free, so they can all be the friends that they were meant to be, instead of the confused and manipulated enemies they have become.

Good luck at concinving me that isn't noble or honest!

reply to post by Skyfloating


Your right there are no jewish conspiracies aided by the masons in an effort to control the middle east (and indeed the world) buy flexing it's muscle, killing innocent peoples, using it's allies to pressure middle eastern governments and Isreal is a ****ing saint who has never harmed anyone or taken part in covert actions or arms trade around the world. *sarcasim*

This country used to keep to itself and not us other nations as a platform to gain control in other sections of the world. Fact of the matter is America is an empire building nation using age old tricks to gain footholds in other continents. South Korea, Iraq, Isreal, all used for this intended purpose. We are no longer isolationist and use the cover of "World Police" as an excuse to assassinate political persons world wide to create governments that are more willing to go by OUR agenda. Are we any different then the Nazi's? No!

Fact of the matter is your using 63 year old information to continue the support of a corrupt and wicked nation (isreal) in order to aid America in control. Promoting Israel is promoting the injustices done around the world by the US and Israel's secret service of the past 63 years.

I love america but will not sit by as obvious probaganda such as this is used to effect modern day beliefs. Your not talking about today's secret societies in the west in order to stop hate. Why?

Skull and Bones
Builderburg
Both are groups spreading a Nazi like agenda across the world and yet you do not mention them... oh thats right because the modern day secret nazi have been using Israel as a stepping stone to power in the middle east and are now allied with masons and Israel.