Adolf Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood

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Do you make a distinction between Wahabism and mainstream Islam??

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I'm starting to think that the OP is using Hitler's wisdom as bases for this thread.

Read this quote:

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

Adolf Hitler

Originally posted by Steam
reply to post by oozyism

 

Do you make a distinction between Wahabism and mainstream Islam??

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Ask that question in this thread:

abovetopsecret.com...

I willanswer it.

Ohh, and before you ask, make sure you read the whole thread.

For now, maybe you should answer this question on topic:

Was Hitler a Christian? and did he come to power through Democracy>?

reply to post by oozyism


oozy, you are talking complete gibberish and displaying a total lack of understanding of the English language.

Amongst all the hate, intolerance and downright nonsense that has been posted in this thread you have surpassed yourself by simply twisting words and making things up out of nothing presumably just to get yourself noticed.

All your questions have been answered frankly, that you either can't understand or simply won't understand speaks more about you as a person than anything else.

Grow up oozy, you could be so much better but at the moment you are just being a ding!

reply to post by Freeborn


Your the one with contradicting claims Freeborn.

Let's bring it all together:

1. Hitler clearly said he is a Christian, I provided the Quote.

2. You said Hitler is a liar, and would use anything to push for his agenda therefore in conclusion he wasn't a Christian.

3. I said there is different interpretation of Christianity, how do you know whether Hitler had his own interpretation?

4. You said no, because he didn't use Christinity to justify his actions?

5. I say, yes he did, and does it really matter? if he uses Christianity to justify his actions or not?> Why would you want to believe Hitler is a Christian if he uses Christianity to justify his actions, over his own admission that he is a Christian. You said he is a liar, and uses anything to push his own agenda, so how would you know he is a Christian?

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.

Hitler

He obviously used Christianity to justify his actions, example above.

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

Hitler

He is obviously using Christianity to justify his actions, example above.

So how do you know if Hitler was a Christian or not>?

How do you know if anyone is a Christian or not?

Everyone as you claim, have their own interpretation therefore someone could probably molest little kids in one interpretation of Christianity.

reply to post by oozyism

This thread have been refuted and proven to have outright lies in OP.

Lies ! We all know extremist Muslim Terrorists are akin to Nazi's. Next thing you will be denying the holocaust!

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This thread have been refuted and proven to have lies in it.

Go find another anti-Islamic thread to post your non-sense, or reply to this.

'Good Luck.'

There are certain irregularities in the statements you have made which I am afraid to say erode the main theme of this thread "establishing Nazis to Palestinians". Let's take them up.

You have claimed origins of Islamic Jihad can be traced to Muslim Brotherhood.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The origins of the Islamiic Jihad against America, Israel, "The West" and Jews in general can be traced back to the Muslim Brotherhood

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However, a quick search displays the Primary and Secondry goals of M.B (Muslim Brotherhood) as:

Main Activity-plan
The main goals on mid-term as approved by the Executive office and the Shura Council are formulated in a 5-year action plan derived from transcripts:

Primary goals
reinstatement of the caliphate and reunite the "dar el Islam".
Strengthening the internal structure
Administrative discipline
Recruitment and settlement of the Dawa'a
Energizing the organisations work
Energizing political work fronts (e.g. in civil political organisations)

Secondary goals
Finance and Investment
Foreign relations
Reviving Woman's activity
Political awareness to the members of the Group
Securing the group (To find out if they are being monitored, and if, how they can get rid of them)
Dawa'ah (the lecture/speech of religion)
Media (influencing of and infiltration in the media)
Taking advantage of human potentials (e.g. infiltration in education, civil organisations)

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You see there is no mention of Islamic Jihad in their goals which you speak off. Anyway to further continue you secondly claim Yaseer Arafat was member of M.B which is often parroted by Israeli blogs

of which both Palestinian Hero Arafat and Osama Bin Laden were members

However a quick search shows that is infact factually incorrect. Yaseer Arafat was never a member of Muslim Brotherhood.

During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Arafat left the University and, along with other Arabs, sought to enter Palestine to join Arab forces fighting against Israeli troops. However, instead of joining the ranks of the Palestinian fedayeen, Arafat fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood, although he did not join the organization.

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One more thing you stated incorrect or probably you did not wanted to share was that Osama Bin Laden was never a member of M.B. In the beginning (studying at University) he was influenced by M.B. but after forming Al Qaeda he denounced Muslim Brotherhood.

While studying at university, Osama bin Laden claimed to have been influenced by the religious and political ideas of several professors with strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood including both Sayyid Qutb and his brother Muhammad Qutb. However, once Al Qaeda was fully organized, they denounced the Muslim Brotherhood's reform through nonviolence and accused them of "betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their 'jihad' in favour of forming political parties and supporting modern state institutions"

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and of which Adolf Hitler was an ally.

Please provide proof that Adolf Hitler was an ally of Muslim Brotherhood. After extensive search I have not been able to find any except this claim being reiterated in Israeli - Jewish blogs and websites with no proof or links.

They all share the goal of the complete and total Extermination of Jews.

I have displayed above the goals of M.B which dispute you're statements. Next you claim

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Wahabists.

This is again factually incorrect. M.B was not created in Saudi Arabia as you tried to portray through a imaginary link to Wahabism to it's creation. It was founded in 1928 in Egypt by the schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna and had nothing to do with Wahabism at the time of it's creation

Establishment of the Muslim Brothers
It was to spread this message that Al-Banna launched the society of the Muslim Brothers in March 1928. At first, the society was only one of the numerous small Islamic associations that existed at the time. Similar to those that Al-Banna himself had joined since he was 12, these associations aimed to promote personal piety and engaged in charitable activities. By the late 1930s, it had established branches in every Egyptian province.

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Let's go to you're next statement on claiming Wahabism goal is to create a worldwide empire

Its goal is a worldwide Empire under Sharia Law.

Here is the link to Beliefs of Wahabi sect. It does not say anywhere about creating a worldwide empire governed by Sharia law. I hope you were not just making it up. Let's move forward to more of you're statements

According to the pan-arabic doctrine of the Muslim Brotherhood, the entire Middle East must be completely free of any non-muslims. Hence Zionists (Jewish Settlers) must be exterminated.

I have already posted the goals of M.B above and nowhere it says anything about freeing entire Middle East of non-muslims. If you could have included a link to such a "pan-arabic doctrine" it would be easy to sift through.

It was members of the Muslim Brotherhood that founded the Hamas, the Hezbollah, the Islami Jihad and Al Qaeda. They can all be traced back to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Wrong! they cannot all be traced back to M.B specially not Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda. You see as I have demonstrated above in my post Al Qaeda denounced M.B and did not share their beliefs with M.B. Again you're statements are completely incorrect in claiming Hezbollah was founded by Muslim Brotherhood as the sources below demonstrated

Hezbollah originated within the Shia block of Lebanon society, which has lived there for more than a millennium. According to a United States Central Intelligence Agency estimate they include 41 percent of Lebanon population. After Lebanon gained its independence on November 22, 1943 and by the time French army withdrew its soldiers from Lebanon in 1946, the Lebanese National Pact, which is a notional and unofficial understanding, had allocated the seat of Speaker of the Parliament to the Shia in recognition of demographic and political importance, but they remained socially and financially marginalized.

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and

Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.

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and

Hezbollah - or the Party of God - is a powerful political and military organisation in Lebanon made up mainly of Shia Muslims. It emerged with financial backing from Iran in the early 1980s and began a struggle to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.

Who are Hezbollah? (BBC)

Let's view this Muslim Nazi flag of WWII you speak of.

A muslim-nazi Flag of WWII
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d0001d85c320.jpg[/atsimg]

Contrary to the Israeli blogs that is not the actual flag. Here is another version of the same flag which is equally false..pay special attention to the Nazi division mentioned in the image

Upon searching about the Hanzar division I found out they were actually a Nazi division of Croatian forces- real name - 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian).
The real flag used by 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar was this

The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was one of the thirty-eight divisions fielded as part of the Waffen-SS during World War II. Its recruits were composed of Bosnian Muslims (today Muslim Bosniaks) and Croatian Catholics. The Handschar[1] division was a mountain infantry formation, the equivalent of the German "Gebirgsjäger" (Mountain troops) units. It was used to conduct operations against Yugoslav Partisans in Bosnia and the Independent State of Croatia from February to September 1944.

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I understand it's profitable for Israeli interest to portray this group was solely composed by Muslims but it's not true. Catholics were part of this group too and amazing thing is it had nothing to do with Middle East or Palestine in general. This group was in Bosnia which is not in Middle East much likely in Palestine.

One of the most influential leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood was Amin Al-Husseini.

Again incorrect information. Amin Al-Husseini correct name Amin al-Husayni was never a leader of Muslim Brotherhood. Here is his complete biography and nowhere it is mentioned he was leader of Muslim Brotherhood or even associated with it.
Mohammad Amin al-Husayni

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazi Party of Germany shared the common goal of Exterminating Jews.

Wrong again as proven above.

Muslim Brotherhood member Abdul Gamal Nasser (who would later become President of Egypt),

Incorrect information as Gamal Abdel Nasser (correct name) was never a member of Muslim Brotherhood. The correct information is

He sent emissaries to forge an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in October 1948, but soon concluded that the agenda of the Brotherhood was not a nationalist one like his. From then on, he would take measures protecting his activities from the influence of their organization.

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Infact as I read more in the link and the events unfold it turns out Abdel Nasser and Muslim Brotherhood went onto opposite ends (from above link).

founded a socialist Party called "Young Egypt", modelled after the Nazi-Party.

Incorrect information. This party was not founded by Gamal Abdel Nasser as you have claimed but was founded by someone named Ahmed Husayn.

The party was formed October 1933 by its leader Ahmed Husayn.

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The slogan of Young Egypt was the same as Hitlers: "One Folk, One Party, One Leader".

I could not find their slogan mentioned anywhere in the link but I did found their platform (above link).

Platform
The Party platform calls for:
*Establishing a parliamentary/presidential ruling system.
*Enhancing the Egyptian-Arab ties.
*Achieving integration with African countries.
*Adopting non-alignment policies[clarification needed].
*Establishing the so-called socialist Islamic economic system and boosting the role of the private sector.
The Party & legislative elections The Party fielded seven candidates to run for the 2000 legislative elections.

And it seems it was abolished in 1953

Like all Egyptian political parties, it was abolished in January 1953, after the Free Officers, led by General Muhammad Naguib, seized power from the monarchy of King Farouk.

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This is a picture of Al-Husseini checking out Muslim SS-Troops:

Don't you mean the Muslim and Catholic troops in 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) as shown above. You are wrong in claiming the division was named Muslim SS-Troops.

As the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and just having returned from Germany after the War,

As proven above Al-Husseini was not leader of M.B but anyway let's continue

Al-Husseini co-founded the Arab League, which inteded to follow the original Vision of Wahabists for one pan-arabic Empire under Sharia Law.

Actually the Arab League was founded by 6 countries and their aim is stated below

It was formed in Cairo on 22 March 1945 with six members: Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan (renamed Jordan after 1946), Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. Yemen joined as a member on 5 May 1945. The Arab League currently has 22 members and four observers. The main goal of the league is to "draw closer the relations between member States and co-ordinate collaboration between them, to safeguard their independence and sovereignty, and to consider in a general way the affairs and interests of the Arab countries."

Nowhere does their main goal state or even suggest "one pan-arabic Empire under Sharia Law"

Under guidance of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Pan-Arabic plan, settlers only started to move to Israel when it became clear that Jews were moving back there. "Palestinians" are an invention of the Muslim Brotherhood, loosely based on the biblical "Philistine" that was in the area that is now called Gaza-Strip. There is no such thing as "Palestinians". The people that are today known as "Palestinians" moved in from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria to fight the Holy-War (Jihad) against Jews. A part of this "Holy War" is the dissemination of "conspiracy-theories" about Jews in schools, in the media and the Internet. These theories are meant to portray Jews as evil perpetrators and themselves as victims. A brief look at this map reveals that Muslims are not as helpless and victimized as generally believed:

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Their goal was not to have a Palestinian State, but to destroy Jews whereever they are.

I applaud you're imagination and creativity but unfortunately you lack facts.

Hence Husseini, as President of the Arab League, commanded: "I declare Holy War my Muslim Brothers! Murder the Jews!".

A little research shows that Al Husseini was never the President of Arab League. Infact there are only Secretaries-General who head the Arab League not Presidents.

Secretaries-General
Abdul Rahman Azzam 1945 to 1952
Abdul Khalek Hassouna 1952 to 1972
Mahmoud Riad 1972 to 1979
Chedli Klibi 1979 to 1990
Ahmad Esmat Abd al Meguid 1991 to 2001
Amr Moussa 2001 to date

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On the contrary the Arab League blocked recruitment to al-Husayni's forces in the 1948 Palestinian War.

The Arab League blocked recruitment to al-Husayni's forces -- which collapsed following the death of one of his most charismatic commanders, Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni, on April 8

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Contrary to the misinformed publics opinion, it is not the goal of the Hamas-Palestinians to have a Palestinian nation (they have been given dozens of chances to have their own nation), but to destroy Israel.

I just visited the official website of Hamas and they have stated their mission which contradicts you're statements of not wanting a Palestinian nation.

Mission:

Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (EQB) was established in the midst of the Palestinian Intifada (1987-1994) against the Zionist occupation. Established at the height of the occupation crackdown against popular and armed resistance, EQB considers its effort as part of the resistance movement against the Zionist occupation of Palestinian lands, which has been ongoing since the British occupation. In light of this understanding, EQB aims: “To contribute in the effort of liberating Palestine and restoring the rights of the Palestinian people under the sacred Islamic teachings of the Holy Quran, the Sunna (traditions) of Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and the traditions of Muslims rulers and scholars noted for their piety and dedication.”

For that to happen, the Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades works to:
· Evoke the spirit of Jihad (resistance) amongst Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims;
· Defend Palestinians and their land against the Zionist occupation and its aggression;
· Liberate Palestinians and the land usurped by the Zionist occupation forces and settlers.

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People keep asking "Why is this conflict going on for so long? Why cant any of the mediators help? Why is no solution found?". The answer is, that the Muslim Brotherhood does not want any solution than Hitlers "Final Solution". These people are therefore not only the enemy of Israel and America, but also the enemy of all non-extremist muslims.

The wars against Israel were not declared by single nations, they were declared by the Arab-League, i.e. by Pan-Arabic Islamofascism. Lebanons wars against Israel (Lebanon was a multi-religious, democratic and open society before the Muslim Brotherhood took over), Egypts wars against Israel, Syrias Wars against Israel, Jordans wars against Israel were all orchestrated by the Arab-League (Wahabiists of the Muslim Brotherhood).

In 1964 the Arab League solidified the existence of a "Palestinian" people by founding the marxist "Palestinian Liberation Organisation" (PLO). The fact that it was founded 15 years after Israel was created, reveals the artificial nature of the overall "conflict". Its stated goal was the "Liberation of the Palestinian people through armed struggle".

As I mentioned above you're creativity and imagination to construct events and statements is admirable but they grossly lack in facts, objectivity and have tendency to misconstrue events either thru motivation or by ignorance.

In 1987 The Muslim Brotherhood founded Hamas, another terrorist organization. From the Hamas charter:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

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It is commendable you finally used a source in you're complete post but at the same time it's sad you completely skipped a line just above you're words from you're own source

According to academic Esther Webman, antisemitism is not the main tenet of Hamas ideology, although antisemitic rhetoric is frequent and intense in Hamas leaflets. The leaflets generally do not differentiate between Jews and Zionists. In other Hamas publications and in interviews with its leaders attempts at this differentiation have been made. In 2009 representatives of the small Jewish sect Neturei Karta met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniya in Gaza, who stated that he held nothing against Jews but only against the state of Israel.

Iranian leader Ahmadinejad is known for his Holocaust-Denial and his financial backing of both Hamas, Hezbollah and other "freedom fighters".

Actually the Iranian leader Ahmadinejad has not denied the Holocaust but he has questioned some aspects of Holocaust specially the 6 million part.

The Hamas share an insanity similar to Nazis in that they have no qualms sending out innocent children as suicide bombers, calling them "freedom fighters for Allah".

Two words: [citation needed]

In connection with the U.S. war against Soviet Communism in Afghanistan, the CIA temporarily forges an alliance with Wahabists/Muslim-Brotherhood members such as Osama bin Laden.

Proven above OBL denounced M.B and was not a member of M.B

Israel is the only open and democratic society of the Middle East

Lol no it is not even close to democracy. Israel was specially founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Here is a long list of reasons (ATS thread) why Israel is not a democracy
Can Israel Dscriminate against Israeli's?

The reason the "Palestinians" rejected the U.N. proposals AND the Oslo proposals which would have given them 97% of what they claimed they wanted + Jerusalem as their capital, is because they do not actually want "peace" or two nations.

Perhaps it had to so something with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin opposed creating full fledged Palestinian state.

They want "A Palestinian Nation from Jordan to the Sea" This can only be achieved by following through with Hitlers plan to exteriminate all Jews. .

On the contrary it was Israel's first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and President of World Jewish Congress who famously stated goals of Israel to first occupy a small land in (then Palestine) and later gain control over all land.

Erect a Jewish State at once, even if it is not in the whole of the land. The rest will come in the course of time.

After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state [..]we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."

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Ben-Gurion further mentions his (Israel's) intention

"It is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion.

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I enjoyed reading you're imaginative piece of "short story" which was beautifully "created" but alas the facts beat you to it. Perhaps it would have helped you're "cause" to use facts instead of wrongly placed opinions picked up from Israeli blogs. Please don't be disheartened in the face of facts, I applaud you're creativity skills and I certainly hope you will pursue you're career in story telling or maybe someday will go on to make movies. I think with time you're literature skills will improve with time and maybe someday you will make a new thread in which we won't be able to discern truth from fiction.

[I AM LEGION]

reply to post by phatpackage


Jump straight to labeling someone as a holocaust denier....

- The Protocols of Zion

reply to post by oozyism


Words fail me, well nearly.

For the last time:
Hitler was not a Christian.
His driver was his own POLITICAL idealogy and religious theology played no part in his personal beliefs.
He at times used other peoples Christianity and other religions to contol and manipulate people and events to further his own agenda and advancement and that of the Nazi Party.

Are you that naive that you can't understand the concept of lieing and misleading to achieve power because I can't believe you are that stupid.
Or are just being a contentious arsey twat just to annoy and aggravate people and argue just for the sake of arguing?
Or do you see an opportunity to apportion some of the blame for Hitler's actions on Christianity, regardless of accuracy, just as some sort of counter point to theory outlined in the OP.
You are after all ATS's very own Islamic Knight In Shining Armour defending Islam wherever it is criticised, regardless of truth or justification.

As I have said before oozy, grow up.
You have the potential and intelligence to be a valued, credible and highly effective member here on ATS if you just stopped making a fool of yourself like you have in this thread!

reply to post by oozyism


You and I am Legion are both wrong and have an Agenda of your own.

Don't you mean the Muslim and Catholic troops in 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) as shown above. You are wrong in claiming the division was named Muslim SS-Troops.

You are wrong in claiming the division was named Muslim SS-Troops

It was named SS Troops The Muslim SS

www.fantompowa.net...

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, as with the Catholic Church in Croatia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. I

So are your both going to re write history or are you both going to claim these are lies what i am posting as a reply?




Your Denying history!

I thought the third photo was a line of army guys using yo-yo's.

Seriously, Israel is surrounded and still exists. It will never be destroyed but will suffer much and it's all prewritten so stop worrying. What must happen will happen, yet they'll come out on top.

Just remember how many asses they've kicked since 1948!

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why did you leave out the bible in your criticism? there are many extremist ideology in there as-well if your going to list negatives about any faith please include the bible cause I can find many parts in the bible that will breed extremist hate. now I do see Islam as a growing religious force. and cudos to them, but with great political strength comes great political responsibility. cause democracy has failed and a socialist world govt is what is needed no more us and them. we is what's needed. go nwo

reply to post by Yissachar1


Go the Poms.You are 100% right. He is having a go at you because you are Jew. Insanity problems my butt!. You just picked your side no mental illness there. I'm with you bro!

reply to post by oozyism


Is that all you got? You said that to another poster!. It's real, you are too indoctrinated by your own version of extremist islam to see the truth!!

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WTF? are you saying the holocaust never happened?. hey I hate all religions but I do believe there was a holocaust of sorts that happened. There's too much proof to show the Nazi's did single the jews out & did attempt genocide on them. But obviously they did not succeed, none the less there was an attempt!! Denying the holocaust ever happened is stupid!

reply to post by Freeborn

He at times used other peoples Christianity and other religions to contol and manipulate people and events to further his own agenda and advancement and that of the Nazi Party.

That is all I wanted to hear.

Now..

Isn't Islam also being used?

When you see those terrorists blowing innocent people up, are they really Muslims, even though they do it in the name of Islam?

Or are they being manipulated for political reason?

That is what we discussed in another thread, but your argument was that Islam can be interpreted differently therefore they are Muslims in a way.

That is the only reason why I was being stubborn about this, because you were being stubborn in that thread, now you see my frustration from your own side of the fence.

I'm not sure if this has been addressed in your thread, it is a bit long to look through, but just in case (like me) someone read the first post and left it at that before jumping to the last page:

Gamal Abdel Nasser was in no way or sense a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. His feelings towards them went from vague distrust at the beginning, to outrightly antagonistic. He also had nothing to do with the founding of (or participation in) the Young Egypt party. The Young Egypt party was formed in 1933, when Abdel Nasser was...15?

Also, while Yasser Arafat may have assisted (or been assisted by) members of the Muslim Brotherhood at some points in his life, he certainly didn't join the group.

Also, Husseini was never a president of the Arab league (they don't even have presidents, they have secretary generals), and he certainly wasn't it's co-founder.


Stringing together a bunch of suggestive images along with slanted (and in some cases -as shown above- incorrect) information in an attempt to connect the Palestinian cause with Hitler is a bit...intellectually dishonest.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Freeborn

 

He at times used other peoples Christianity and other religions to contol and manipulate people and events to further his own agenda and advancement and that of the Nazi Party.

That is all I wanted to hear.

Now..

Isn't Islam also being used?

When you see those terrorists blowing innocent people up, are they really Muslims, even though they do it in the name of Islam?

Or are they being manipulated for political reason?

That is what we discussed in another thread, but your argument was that Islam can be interpreted differently therefore they are Muslims in a way.

That is the only reason why I was being stubborn about this, because you were being stubborn in that thread, now you see my frustration from your own side of the fence.

Oh brother, you never seize to amaze.
Somehow you always find accuses for terrorists acts.
Depending on the debate and the day of the week, terrorists are sometimes 'freedom fighters', sometimes they are just a small percentage of the Muslims, most of the time it's 'the jews are the real terrorists', and today : It's Muslims and they do kill innocent people, BUT they are being manipulated.

Jeeez...make up your mind will you?

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People who claim to be Muslims can be terrorists using Islam.

People who are terrorists can be freedom fighters.

People can use Islam for political gains.

Non of these are contradictory.

All within context.

Ta Ta.

Hitler was a Christian.

He murdered millions of Jews.

He said himself that he was a Christian like you.

Christianity can be used and manipulated for political gains.

See the symmetry in my post, it is just darn amazing, let's see you do the same.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by oozyism

 

It was named SS Troops The Muslim SS
www.fantompowa.net...

From your own link

The Role of the SS Handschar division in Yugoslavia's Holocaust
Seán Mac Mathúna

Nowhere it says the force was named SS Troops The Muslim SS. Can you highlight the part?

Originally posted by babloyi
I'm not sure if this has been addressed in your thread, it is a bit long to look through, but just in case (like me) someone read the first post and left it at that before jumping to the last page:

Gamal Abdel Nasser was in no way or sense a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. His feelings towards them went from vague distrust at the beginning, to outrightly antagonistic. He also had nothing to do with the founding of (or participation in) the Young Egypt party. The Young Egypt party was formed in 1933, when Abdel Nasser was...15?

Also, while Yasser Arafat may have assisted (or been assisted by) members of the Muslim Brotherhood at some points in his life, he certainly didn't join the group.

Also, Husseini was never a president of the Arab league (they don't even have presidents, they have secretary generals), and he certainly wasn't it's co-founder.

Stringing together a bunch of suggestive images along with slanted (and in some cases -as shown above- incorrect) information in an attempt to connect the Palestinian cause with Hitler is a bit...intellectually dishonest.

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Whatever you are saying has already been said before in this thread and the OP's post has been debunked here with sources. The debunking post is in middle of thread and frankly most people just dont view the entire thread that's why it got no attention. I just reported the thread for lies and asked the mods to move it into hoax forum. But can mods take action against their fellow mods is remaining to be seen.