N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

Originally posted by tonystark
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Anyone know how this effects the doomsday clock?

There's a thread on it today.

Right here.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by peter_kandra
reply to post by Thepreye

 

I have to agree with MikeBoydUS. I'm pretty certain our planners envisioned every possible scenario including our possible economic collapse and its ramifications both militarily and politically. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a multitude of contingency plans for almost every conceivable event over the next several decades. If I recall, the military also recently assesed our advantages / disadvantages through 2050 or so.

People wouldn't believe what we plan for. We have CONPLANs for practically everything. We have OPLANs for Korea that can quickly turn into OPORDs/ Operations Orders. I guarantee the Joint Chiefs and the SecDef are pouring over them right now and will make appropriate recommendations to the POTUS.

We do have lots of plans. Plans within plans, etc.

However this doesn't always translate into effective warfighting. Look at the morass in Afghanistan and Iraq. There you have two very effective insurgencies which appear to resist all efforts at quelling.

In Iraq they just decided to wait until we withdrew, fight a quiet war. In Afghanistan there are supposedly "about 100 taliban" left but anybody with more than cotton balls for brains knows this is just blatant bullcrap.

Effective planning does not always have the desired effect when boots hit the ground. I'm sure you know this - look at the Phoenix Program in Nam, how that was a multilevel combined military and civilian operation using technology that even today would be considered high-speed. Now tell me what flag is flying over 'Nam.

reply to post by Regensturm


Thank you for posting some actual news. Any analysis?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Regensturm

 

That has to be the saddest Orwellian type radio broadcast I've heard in a long time....

"The South Korean Puppets" They actually have the nerve to call South Korea a "Puppet"

Meanwhile South Korea Has trade agreements with hundreds of nations around the world, their people are free to move about the globe and post opposing views at anytime they wish of their own Government are more politically and economically freer than North Korea, which relies heavily on Chinese hand me downs, controls their population with an Iron fist, crushes any opposing view with brutality and refuses to allow North Koreans to travel abroad freely.

Interesting perspective.
Thanks for posting

edit on 24-11-2010 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Well, like Japan, South Korea is a puppet regime of the USA. I hate to break it to you, but our troops are there and in Japan not only to "protect" the people, but to ensure compliance with various treaties and in Korea, to ensure that they do not fall to an *INTERNAL* movement toward communism.

You would do well at this point to read about Gladio and "stay-behind" operations as well.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Speaking of puppets.
I think the Chinese are just about fed up with theirs.

Yeah that's why that on the SAME DAY while this whole thing was happening, they were signing a new economic treaty with North Korea uh?

Not to mention the chinese MSM were saying that North Korea bombing South Korea showed North Korea toughness?

Yeah this obviously show how pissed they are!

Originally posted by EDWOOD
I'm just wondering does anyone know of any research done where potential war scenarios between North and South Korea have occurred?

I saw one site where the poster said that 500,000 shells would rain down on Seoul in the first hour of full-scale conflict. To think that this is over a thousand times as many as landed yesterday shows what damage this could have on the city. Also when the North Koreans sunk the SK's vessel, the BBC predicted that full scale war would involve at least 1 million casualties in the first week WITHOUT nukes being involved!

Yeah Seoul can be kissed goodbye. Also, the North Koreans can move over 50 thousand men per hour through underground tunnels into the south, right under the heavily fortified DMZ.

There is some good commentary available on the RAND Corporation's web site, along with more good information in my post here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Everwatcher33


I live in the uk and i cant afford to travel abroad! i dont think travel to south is permitted but im not sure,its like cold war style east/west germany you would be considered a traitor no matter which side you move to.

Maybe you dont understand the situation from both angles,south koreans are rarely allowed to travel north,in south korea all DPRK books are banned,and if you show any support for the DPRK you will be arrested.

China is not the backbone of the korean economy,the Juche idea demands self reliance in the economy so although the loss of china would be a huge blow their economy it wouldnt finish them off.This was put to the test in the late 80s early 90s when DPRK was faced with immense challenges but unlike every other socialist nation that fell with the soviet union the DPRK got through it thanks to Juche and songun politics.

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
I don't believe War is the best way

But its looking incresingly like its the only way with this lunatic in Pyongyang

Really War is always the last option, but there really is no reasoning with this man and North Korea have been pushing it & pushing it as far as i can see coursing all the problems, its clear Kim Jong Ill is seriously mentally unstable with serious anger problems, this man can not be trusted with Nukes END OFF you wouldn't give a gun to a madman you certainly wouldn't give him a Nuke, but its the worlds responsability not just South Koreas & the US

Either carry on down the road of ignoring him & wait till the crazy cat kicks the bucket in hopes the poeple of NKorea see sense & someone not so insane gets into power, then offer an olive brach so to speak, or take him out now & risk WWIII

If we "take him out" millions of civilians will die. If we don't, we just get little fits from time to time.

Which is preferable?

Also, nothing will happen until Kim Jong Il passes away. I have a good feeling that there are plans in place, and I also think that there is more to Kim Jong Un that meets the eye. Spending so much time in the west may have softened him up a bit.

Wait and see, is the attitude that will be taken.

Also, please read this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also useful to read is Madeline Albright's commentary about her experiences meeting with Kim Jong Il. He is DEFINITELY NOT CRAZY. Unless you mean, crazy like a fox.

Channel 4 News's (UK) Jon Sparks has reported tonight that South Korean villages along the border with North Korea appear to have been deserted. He was told by locals that the villages had been evacuated, which comes after the evacuation of Yeonpyeong island.

When he tried to investigate the matter further, he was detained for ten minutes by armed South Korean soldiers who demanded to know what he was up to.

Let's hope the evacuation of these border villages are just a precaution, and not a sign something is about to happen.

Just thought I would pass it on in case nobody saw the report.

reply to post by Resurrectio


Please research the history of martial law in South Korea. If you think it's all dances around the maypole there, you have your head somewhere that the sun doesn't shine.

If you don't want to do any research, or you don't want to broadcast any "bad news" here's the gist of it: Every few years there is a hardline military coup, martial law is declared, there is brutal repression of any opposition, summary executions, and then eventually control is handed back to a "civilian" government, usually to a president who was one of the main actors in the coup.

Don't be proud of ignorance. Especially when your lies can be called out with a simple reference to the Wikipedia.

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Originally posted by Resurrectio

Originally posted by Erasurehead
reply to post by Resurrectio

 

Who pulls US/Russia/China's strings?

The international bankster cartel.

Proof? facts? Not delusional imaginative assumptions... which the subject is rampid with!
2nd line

If you can't see the proof and facts you are blind and deaf.

Her's a few for you:

Bernanke, Goldman, bailout, QE2.

Originally posted by Regensturm
Channel 4 News's (UK) Jon Sparks has reported tonight that South Korean villages along the border with North Korea appear to have been deserted. He was told by locals that the villages had been evacuated, which comes after the evacuation of Yeonpyeong island.

When he tried to investigate the matter further, he was detained for ten minutes by armed South Korean soldiers who demanded to know what he was up to.

Let's hope the evacuation of these border villages are just a precaution, and not a sign something is about to happen.

Just thought I would pass it on in case nobody saw the report.

This is a bad sign indeed. Evacuation of the villages is a preparation stage for total war.

reply to post by Regensturm


That doesn't sound good at all,The US needs to stop with the war games you can only rattle the bees nest so many times before you get stung.

The DPRK have proven they dont make empty threats and the situation is on the absolute brink of war,hopefully things will cool down but its not looking good at the moment.

Originally posted by amurphy245
reply to post by Regensturm

 

That doesn't sound good at all,The US needs to stop with the war games you can only rattle the bees nest so many times before you get stung.

The DPRK have proven they dont make empty threats and the situation is on the absolute brink of war,hopefully things will cool down but its not looking good at the moment.

Well, the do make empty threats. The problem is calling their bluff: Were they just full of it, or are they serious?

Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

Originally posted by jonny2410
Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

North Korea has nukes and has threatened to use them on the South Koreans numerous times over the past few years over many issues some legitimate others over trivial aspects. That and over 10,000 artillery pieces [Their claim] aimed at Seoul South Korea's capital.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Possible? maybe?
But we all know it's unlikely.

People jumping to the conclusion that it was SK/US behind it when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was, that is not being "reasonable".
So just who exactly is being unreasonble?

And yes, liberal or tin foil hat wearers are exactly the type of people who come out with this sort of thing.

Originally posted by jonny2410
Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

I doubt it. After all, there is always the risk of shelling close to the border.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by jonny2410
Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

North Korea has nukes and has threatened to use them on the South Koreans numerous times over the past few years over many issues some legitimate others over trivial aspects. That and over 10,000 artillery pieces [Their claim] aimed at Seoul South Korea's capital.

Actually North Korea has only threatened to use nuclear weapons if attacked. They surely know that if they are used, that all bets are off and there will be total war.

They are not crazy or stupid, despite the popular propaganda. They have a strategic position and wish to maintain it.