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Originally posted by joeshsamp
reply to post by cluckerspud
I totaly agree with you cluckerspud. Without names, these viseos are not proof, merely circumstancial. I am a freemason and i find it offensive that people are always pointing the finger at use. People are just afraid of what they do not know, because we ( freemasons) have secrets. You can know these secrets too if you were accepted in. Just because we keep some things secret doesnt mean we are trying to take over the world. How come nobody yells conspiracy when they see a cross or a star of david in a movie or cartoon. There is plenty of those as well. But nobody says anything about the Jews or Christians trying to rule the world. How do you justify pointing your finger at a secret society that you know nothing about.?
Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by XxiTzYoMasterxX
The proof that they are putting subliminal messages in movies/games/music videos is....apparently you didn't see my first post and what the thread is about because if you did you would have seen all the evidence in all those links I provided.
That is not proof!. name the mason who authorised it? What lodge did he belong to? Who paid for it..... Your Argument is Null & Void! The thread title is mis representitiveedit on 20-11-2010 by phatpackage because: (no reason given)edit on 20-11-2010 by phatpackage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by XxiTzYoMasterxX
The proof that they are putting subliminal messages in movies/games/music videos is....apparently you didn't see my first post and what the thread is about because if you did you would have seen all the evidence in all those links I provided.
That is not proof!. name the mason who authorised it? What lodge did he belong to? Who paid for it..... Your Argument is Null & Void! The thread title is mis representitiveedit on 20-11-2010 by phatpackage because: (no reason given)edit on 20-11-2010 by phatpackage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cluckerspud
Originally posted by XxiTzYoMasterxX
You say name names and expect me to know everyone involved?Well I don't.
So then your thread is misleading. You really don't have REAL PROOF.
Originally posted by XxiTzYoMasterxX
But I do know that who ever is producing these movies/games/music videos/cartoons/tv series know what they are putting in them and know what they are doing.
Prove it. Prove that "they" (which again remains unanswered) are "putting them in" and "know what they are doing"
Originally posted by juggernaut0907
reply to post by XxiTzYoMasterxX
First, JFK was not a mason, so thats your first mistake. Then you say most mason dont know anything unless they are 33rd degree and up. I got a good laugh out of that one. There is no greater degree than that sublime degree of a Master Mason, 3rd degree. All the other "degrees" are add-ons. So, i would suggest doing a little more research instead of just browsing youtube and reading biased articles.
brazenalderpadrescorpio
First of all, if a mason (preferably high-level)...
...is involved in something nefarious, the presumed fact that the person is "evil" in the first place would negate the possibility that that person would admit that he is involved in something evil. Therefore, if you are a mason and you know that you're not involved in anything that's wrong, it's kind of pointless to get into an argument defending your point because everybody knows that someone evil will deny everything.
That said, there has been a lot of mixing of ideas between Masonic organizations and so-called Satanic fraternal organizations. I would tend to argue that that is an established fact. Even a lot of the symbolism (skull and bones?) is almost like a glorification of things that humans generally agree upon as dark.
It is very possible that you are a freemason and utilize these symbols blindly without much insight. It is extremely possible, but highly unlikely considering that secret organizations have such a rich allegiance to the philosophy of gnosis (the begged upon assimilation of esoteric, hidden knowledge).
I hope that this comment would bring this thread and others like it to a higher level.
AugustusMasonicus
What constitutes a 'high-level'?
AugustusMasonicus
So basically, you are damned if you do and damned if you do not.
AugustusMasonicus
The skull and bones is not a Masonic emblem. You seem to be confusing us with a college fraternity.
brazenalderpadrescorpio
I would say that it's generally agreed upon that 33rd degree and up is constituted as high-level. But beyond that, I would also add someone who uses their esoteric knowledge to steadily climb the ladder.
And you could also argue that I'm debating you here, although I don't see it as much of a debate.
Does this mean anything to you:
Go to masonic ritual and symbolism on wikipedia, and look at the second picture. (I'm sorry. The link is not working.)