The Beaver Wars, also called the Iroquois Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars: Balkanization

This is a thread about the invasion and conquest tactic known as "Balkanization".

The example I would like to examine is very close to home.
"The Beaver Wars."
The wars for control of the Great Lakes and surrounding areas of the US and Canada.
I believe this is a current topic worthy of discussion now because among other things,
the US constitution was a result of this situation.

I invite anyone to please feel free to participate because in understanding Balkanization which is occurring hell bent for leather today, we may find inspiration to identify the influences which are causing it, and expose them to the light of day, in hopes that an awareness of the tactic will lead to a solution to what is really a war on humanity at large.
Here is a brief but telling explanation of the situation:
The Beaver Wars:
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Balkanization, or Balkanisation, is a pejorative[1] geopolitical term originally used to describe the process of fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or non-cooperative with each other

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To begin with the Beaver hat was made the style by the Crowns who profited from the charters they handed out which allowed the funding to conquer the country.
www.answers.com...
Neither the fish, or the fools gold, war an adequate source of funding for exploring and conquering the interior.

This was a deliberate act
The royalty at court set the fashion for the nobles, which is how the beaver hat became an in demand valuable
once that was established the fight was on.

The Beaver wars are actually fascinating, at the time English, Papists, Swedes, Dutch and the French were all trying to establish settlements and colonies in these areas. Each would try to basically use the Indians to their advantage when it came to the political intriques that they had going on against one another.

Most of the Indian violence towards the various Christian settlers was basically orchestrate by rival Christian groups from these different factions trying to dominate the fur trade, and get their colonies and settlements to take hold, and prevent defections by the settlers from one colony or settlement to the other, for better security or supplies.

The Indians got manipulated to no end, in both fighting each other for the fur trade, and fighting for the Christian Group that they were doing the trade with.

Star and Flag.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Hi Proto
Good points
The situation then was very similar to the situation in the Middle east today, as well as in Africa, the Vietnams, and of course the Balkans to day.

The Beaver Wars though, might be easier to study in depth because we can examine it and its cause and results more easily then most...we can trace the events from then till now.
According to GWB the US consitution ows it's genesis in large part to the Iroqios Consitution that preceded it.
The Iroquis Constitution was given to them By Deganawidah, who is rumoured to have been a virgin birth,
which gives him a striking resemblance to other historical characters like Moses for example

reply to post by Danbones


So you are basically stating that the crown ,who's purpose is to rule the world, as mandated by a higher authority, and faced with no choice but to conceed, then makes deals with said enemy, usually another crowned authourity or possibly commity as was the cause with Britian and France after the Revolution where some royal heads did flow, affectively ending war for the colonies /new world/resources/people/ and of course the beaver survived
Next see Napolionic Wars

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The Iriqouis are alleged to have created the Great Law.

However when the Proprietary Colony of Pennsylvania was founded by William Penn, he wrote the Great Law, you can find a copy of that here as well as the early intriques of some of the Indian Wars.

www.ebooksread.com...

The Masons about 80 years before the Revolution wrote a Masonic Constitution largely based off of the Great Law.

The U.S. Constitution is largely based off of the Masonic Constitution and the Great Law. As of 1840 where I saw the last reference to it the Great Law, Crowne Law and the Cannon was still the actual highest law in the land.

In the first Chronicle I linked above you can find out a lot about the intriques and manipulations of the Indians as the were written down by the actual people as they were actually happening.

It really is fascinating, and I just want to assure that sure, while it really appears according to all those official records, that human beings being shipped in from Europe to make improvements to get commerce going int the land, build the infrastructure and grew the markets as laid out in these documents refered to as stock, often then fed and employed with loans called bonds, does not mean we are the stock in the stock market!

Which kind of brings everything full circle,, did u know that in large part it was the eruption of a Volcano EYEBALLHOLESINSOCKET that cause crops too fail and wide spread Famine, throughout most of Europe, so when Marie Antoinnette said "well let them eat cake then, if they have no meat"
Well u know what happened after that, apparently the ROYALS had no concept of what it meant to be one of their precious citizens,,

Hat production was a staple of the British economy. This industry employed many workers from low skilled carders to highly skilled journeyman and master hatters. Their production supplied not only the fashion industry, but also military contracts.

www.janeausten.co.uk...

This was the situation at the beginning of the Beaver wars. So you have many of the same elements driving conquest today. Because the officers and troops needed water proof hats, and cloaks, and style for the ladies, and at court, you have the military industrial complex/royalty involved right from the start.

In this case, like the opium fields of Afghanistan, and the Golden Triangle (The balkanized area around the war in Vietnam), and the oil fields of Iraq and Iran, Beaver Fur was elected to be the valuable commodity that funded the conquest, and after the investment was paid off, returned the profit to the moneyed interests that like today, drove the major decisions of the western governments.

PS the mercury used in the process also kept the houses of bedlam in full employment too.

Just to add to the above: like the British Queen's involvement in BP which has been given a huge chunk of the oil in Iraq, and her other companies, which for example with her US counterparts, installed the Shaw when the Iranians nationalized their oil fields.
Back in the day the distillers, the armoures, ship builders, the chandlers, insurers abd BANKERS all of whom paid to the crown or wher OWNED by the crowns, also thrived.

Originally posted by Danbones
Just to add to the above: like the British Queen's involvement in BP which has been given a huge chunk of the oil in Iraq, and her other companies, which for example, installed the shaw when the Iranians nationalized their oil fields.

Actually CHINA was the highest bidder for all of those oil contracts,, just wanted to know which side were fighting for.
And besides they had all of the money and they did need the resources so once again Commerce and Trade triumphs

reply to post by BobAthome

Hi Bob

A BP-led consortium on Tuesday won a deal to develop Iraq's largest oilfield – the only successful foreign bid in a historic televised auction.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I agree with your thoughts on China because they are what they are because of the same bankers that figure so prominantly in controlling the US, Read david rockefeller's comments on Chairman Mao for instance.
to relat this to the Beaver Wars the royalty and the bankers were the same group behind the Dutch, the British, and the French, all one big happy inbred familly...

Queen Beatrix is a major player in the same ventures as the Queen of Britian. BP

Good points about the volacano. I did not know about that. Starving French and Irish (potatoe famine, which was contrived) were easily motivated to emmigrate, Kinda like the the intentional destruction of Mexico's economy is being used to drive the Mexicans across the boarder into the US today.
Frog in a pot style - a few invaders every day adds up to an invasion after a few yyears.

Didn't the British p.m just visit China or am i mistaken? And is China CORPORATION X , which lent B.P the money to buy something China already had bid rights on.

Originally posted by Danbones
Just to add to the above: like the British Queen's involvement in BP which has been given a huge chunk of the oil in Iraq, and her other companies, which for example with her US counterparts, installed the Shaw when the Iranians nationalized their oil fields.
Back in the day the distillers, the armoures, ship builders, the chandlers, insurers abd BANKERS all of whom paid to the crown or wher OWNED by the crowns, also thrived.

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What is real interesting, as we have been discovering some letters between Rothschild and Son to the Presidents in the early 1800's recently in the Rome Thread, in a lot of cases Rothschild was actually acting as an agent on behalf of various groups of Lords and Nobles, and Gentlemen who had invested human beings and money into America.

One of the people Rothschild was representing in memorialist legal complaints about slow payments and defaults was a famous Revolutionary War Hero who was actually the younger brother of the Clarke, in the Lewis and Clarke expidition that mapped out a lot of the U.S. and Canada.

Evidently he got a lot more out of the mapping expitidion than fleas, and mosquito bites!

Very fascinating stuff went on back then, and what's interesting, is at the beginning when Indians killed Christians or Christians killed an Indian, it was usually handled as a Murder Trial on both ends.

For the most part, they were actually buying the land from the Indians, but constantly manipulating them against each other, other Christian Sects, and doing things to trick them into selling land.

In one famous case when William Penn got the Ohio Tribe to agree to sell land, they agreed to sell him all the land a surveyor could walk in three days for x amount of dollars. Penn actually got three relay runners, to run it out in relays, and got about three times the land that way, than the Indians indented to sell.

The Beaver War period was really a very fascinating time in the early development of America by the Christians.

reply to post by BobAthome

I wouldn't be suprised, if the Chinese money is involved.They have it because the western companies and governments controlled by the bankers changed laws to drive the manufacturing to China.
The David Rockefeller reference indicates their early involvement in China and the deliberate creation of her current success.
Like starving the Peeps I mentioned above so they would emmigrate to the new world. And create taxable businesses, and revenue streams

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Thanks for that....
Eventually I hope to examine the Astors and Jacob Shiff on this thread. BTW the Jews were NOT allowed to trade with the Indians in the Thirteen colonies, so they took their guns and whiskey out to the edge, and inserted them selves in the middle between whites and Indians and then ended up cornering the whole trade basically.
then the slave trade rears its ugly head here because the sugar cane was shipped up from the south to make the whiskey that was used. The Bankers controlled the slave trade, and they and the royalty and nobility owned the plantations.The church was involved in the hearts and minds aspect of enslavement and they made out LARGE here as you aluded too in your post above.
The church and the royalty and the nobles and the bankers aquired huge chunks of resources during this period.

reply to post by Danbones


You should make no mistake about it, the nation was set up as a financial venture. It was all done to acquire resources, and expand and grow markets. To bring everything under a unified system, using the same kind of divide and conquer competition for control and as a growth engine.

It's all laid out in the correspondences between principles of the company and principals of the states.

We really are just one big amalgamated corporation, with a lot of divisions under it's umbrella.

The reality is blacks were enslaved phsyically to do very menial labor but the christian commoners were actually enslaved financially by the bonds. That's why they call them bonds. They just slaved with more discretion as to what to do, you might have been a candle stick maker, or a glass maker, or a carpenter but all those things were really just to provide the support for the growing, mining and harvesting, and shippers.

It actually states in the Great Law, that the when ever possible the commoners were to be used to off set the costs of the principles.

In otherwords the investors would loan 2 million dollars to the principles, send the human stock from Europe to build the Erie Canal, and provide all the support, but the commoners would be levied against what they were paid and earned to pay back the 2 million dollars, while the investors would get all the profits. So insted of using physical bondage they used financial bondage, making us all responsible for the debts to build all these things for the corporations, so the corporations could acquire the resources and make the infrastructure and make all the profit. The loans actually bonded the commoners into working to have to make those improvements and developments, and obtain the resources, that's why they are literally called bonds. We are then stuck working at those things for those investors.

Then of course once they control all the resources, and all the infrastructure they control us by possessing and controlling everything we need to live.

It's actually way more sinister than you even think it is.

Originally posted by Danbones
This is a thread about the invasion and conquest tactic known as "Balkanization".

The example I would like to examine is very close to home.
"The Beaver Wars."
The wars for control of the Great Lakes and surrounding areas of the US and Canada.
I believe this is a current topic worthy of discussion now because among other things,
the US constitution was a result of this situation.

Great topic, Danbones!!!

To simplify the circumstances leading to this conflict during the 1640's, it's best stated in the following point form:

• The Algonquin Tribes (in the north) traded their furs with the French (in Quebec) who provided them with non-lethal trade goods like metal pots, etc.
  
  
• The southern tribes, like the Iroquois, traded with the Dutch (in New York) and were provided with muskets.
  
  
• The southern tribes, historical enemy of the Algonquins, began raiding the northern villages.
  
  
• By 1650, much of southern Ontario was overun by Iroquois as Algonquin tribes retreated north and west.
  
  
• The 'push-back', when it finally came, was an intense war of attrition lasting 50 years, driving the Mohawk, Iroquois and Seneca back out of southern Ontario, finally ending with a peace treaty in 1701
  

The question to be asked, in my mind, is whether the arming of the Iroquois (etc.) was a deliberate action by the Dutch to both eradicate The Algonquin tribes, steal their furs and consolidate the territory for their own profiteering.

I think it was.

reply to post by Danbones


This idea leaves out a couple of key concepts, the first assuming that the players knew what they were doing. The Europeans did not know the extent of the continent, nor what resources were available. The nature of the resource extraction required the First Nations. They in turn wanted the goods that furs and pelts could get them. Trade was not new to them, either. A simple look at the distribution of the various cherts that comprised their stone tools tells that story. Yes, the English and Dutch gave them guns and whiskey. The French did not, because the various Catholic missionary groups were integral to the French process.

I do take issue with the suggestion that Aboriginal rivalries were entirely driven by the Europeans. Yes, the First Nations were used by the various European traders, but that went both ways. First Nations were quite adept at killing each other with impunity, and happy to engage the whites to help that process along for their own benefit.

Did the First Peoples get screwed by the Colonial Powers? Doubtless!

Were they peacefully living as noble savages in a veritable Garden of Eden until that point? Nope. They were just as human as us white folk and just as enthusiastic about killing each other for the same old variety of reasons.

reply to post by masqua


The British West Indies Company (Dutch) most likely did. The Free Trade Society (Pennsylvania) armed others, and the Virginia Company (Virginia Did as Well) but things really didn't heat up until they started shipping in the Brandy!

Then it was a party. They were all trying to get each other's settlements and colonies to fail, and get their citizens to defect from theirs and they used the natives as the perfect agent of harrassment to do that. They actually got bummed when the Natives would war against each other, over the hunting grounds, because it meant they couldn't get them to act as agents of provocation against the other companies when they were doing that.

So they would arm them in a lot of cases, just so they could hurry up and get that war over with.

Originally posted by masqua
[The question to be asked, in my mind, is whether the arming of the Iroquois (etc.) was a deliberate action by the Dutch to both eradicate The Algonquin tribes, steal their furs and consolidate the territory for their own profiteering. I think it was.

I donno...the Huron still had the North Shore of Ontario, and a farming economy as well. The Algonquins were still doing their seasonal rounds. I think it was a matter of ensuring that 'our Indians were tougher than their Indians' as far as the English/Dutch went. Both sides were using each other as proxies.