LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

reply to post by MegaMind

Is your niece or nephew a chimpanzee or an orangutan?

Have you been hiding out at the zoo??
You're a little behind the times here..Flight 808 has been debunked..
You need to catch up.

Originally posted by Gazrok
There's still a story here, but I don't think it's a missile any longer.

did you mean to say missile?
or did you mean to say plane?
just askin

Originally posted by russ1969
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

The biggest question would be, Where is the fire from our missile that exploded and what about the fall out?

What we need is the whole 10 minutes of video. Then we can determine more.

And you never answered my question, You said you believed our government when they said it wasn't one of ours, Surely then you believe them when they tell you it wasnt a missile at all?

Like I said, I'm not fully sold on a Chinese missile but what the Government has said actually fits it to a tee...
They have said it wasn't one of theirs..They have said (later) that it wasn't a threat..And last but not least, They are "pretty sure" it was a plane..
Taken together that in no way rules out a show of force by China...

Originally posted by Gazrok
Once I actually saw the video vs still pics, it seems too slow to be a missile.

well as I mentioned
if the missile was damaged

OR

thrown out of it's trajectory
by a nearby explosion

it would slow down
considerably

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by MegaMind

 

Is your niece or nephew a chimpanzee or an orangutan?

Have you been hiding out at the zoo??
You're a little behind the times here..Flight 808 has been debunked..
You need to catch up.

You think flight 808 has been debunked. It was debunked in your own mind. Where has flight 808 been debunked and by who? You? And has the opposing positions relented to your debunking? I haven't. Did phage relent? Is your declaration of debunking "official"?

reply to post by boondock-saint


Contrail is real whether it was from the jet or from the airplane but this OP's conjecture is a Hoax.
Amazing to see how people can come up with all kinds of nonsenses.

reply to post by Imightknow


There was a response from our government. It was a diplomatic handrubbing but it was a response. If you remember just after the missile was launched and started making MSM President Obama quickly canceled his trip to Mt. Merapi under conditions of too much ash in the sky and continued to the G20 in South Korea. Also note that Chinese President Hu Jintao was also there in South Korea.

Granted this is conjecture here but I believe that this only strengthens the argument that it was a missile. President Obama rushed to South Korea to set up a special meeting with President Jintao to discuss trade, deficits and the missile launch. I think this was a testing of our defenses as much as it was to get some recognition of power in the international world. It's not public knowledge because neither president wants its people calling for war. It would not benefit either with exception of to the winner goes the spoils. China knows that America will never be able to be occupied as long as it's citizens have the right to bear arms. With that being said they wouldn't attack unless we just told them we're not paying off our debts and we're putting an embargo on your trade shipments. It is just as much a cover up to the Chinese population as it is to the American population.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I don't know what to think. Everything gets blown right out of proportion in the U.S, especially since 9/11. It looks like a missile but if China did fire a missile that close it could be seen by civilian Americans, then they are taking the piss a little bit and I think their would have been a lot more fuss and Im certain the U.S government would want you all to know so they haven't got to explain themselves when they equalise China.

Originally posted by MegaMind
If it is announced tomorrow that new evidence has come to light and it is indeed a missile I will simply say "O.K. I was wrong" - because I really don't care one way or another.

brother
if u r an American and you don't care
whether or not a rogue unidentified
missile is launched within eye sight
of your coast line, then I feel very
sorry for you.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by MegaMind
If it is announced tomorrow that new evidence has come to light and it is indeed a missile I will simply say "O.K. I was wrong" - because I really don't care one way or another.

brother
if u r an American and you don't care
whether or not a rogue unidentified
missile is launched within eye sight
of your coast line, then I feel very
sorry for you.

That was the best you could do?

What I mean is that I don't care about being wrong. And yes I would be concerned about a missile launch.

reply to post by MegaMind


Dont get narky with me just for breaking the news...
Flight 808 was shown to be too far away to be considered a possibility due to the web cam pic from lax..
It was easy with clear direction and a date stamp..
I'll be nice and show you..
www.cargolaw.com...

Edit to add: It was called by Phage BTW, so complain to him

reply to post by boondock-saint

Your are on the actual events to very large extent. I can't say how I know though.

Originally posted by russ1969
The biggest question would be, Where is the fire from our missile that exploded and what about the fall out?

the air is not the WTC, there is nothing to burn after
the explosion. It went out and only left a cloud of
smoke. And what fall-out are you referring to?
There is no fallout on a Patriot Missile it is
a conventional weapon. As you can see the
Chinese missile continued on it's track.

Originally posted by russ1969
And you never answered my question, You said you believed our government when they said it wasn't one of ours, Surely then you believe them when they tell you it wasnt a missile at all?

I don't remember saying that I believed them
but even so, people place their hand on the
Bible and still lie on the witness stand.
Does that not mean that occasionally
the truth will be found?

Originally posted by backinblack
Like I said, I'm not fully sold on a Chinese missile but what the Government has said actually fits it to a tee...
They have said it wasn't one of theirs..They have said (later) that it wasn't a threat..And last but not least, They are "pretty sure" it was a plane..
Taken together that in no way rules out a show of force by China...

u r correct
this theory does fit
except for the "pretty sure"
it was a plane which came
2 days later. I guess the contrail
from a plane theory sounded good
to them at the time. I bet now they
wish they had of chosen differently

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by MegaMind

 

Dont get narky with me just for breaking the news...
Flight 808 was shown to be too far away to be considered a possibility due to the web cam pic from lax..
It was easy with clear direction and a date stamp..
I'll be nice and show you..
www.cargolaw.com...

Edit to add: It was called by Phage BTW, so complain to him

edit on 15-11-2010 by backinblack because: (no reason given)

I see the thread in which this was discussed and whether it is a UPS flight or flight 808. Either way there is no evidence outside of the video that it was a missile. And that evidence does not clearly show it to be a missile. Hence this debate. There is evidence however of jets in that area at that time which could easily leave the trail seen. There is no reason to conclude it was a missile.

Originally posted by sickofitall2012
When this first happened the first thing my husband and I thought was the Chinese.
Mess with our money = warning
I read a couple of days ago that a Chinese sub showed up in the middle of a Navy exercise, I think it was. Article said that they were embarrassed, yea, I bet.
Nice work Boon, thanks for posting. I just hope for everyones sake your wrong.

That was my and my family's original thought too, that a Chinese sub came to give America some pay back for the trade barriers put in place by the Obama administration. I'll bet NORAD was sweating bullets!
America had better watch China, they are a world power now, and have a vast military, plus, they own a great deal of American debt, and there was that fake gold indecent not long ago. This has been building. Let's just hope the Chinese don't make bonds with Nicaragua or one of those other south American countries that hate us.

Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

second intersecting contrail

If that's a second contrail, it seems awfully coincidental that we would have a suitable anti-missile boat in such close proximity to your submarine. Here's a video that shows your "twin trajectories" relative to ground. How close would the two points of origin have needed to be to create lines at those angles? Hundreds of feet? A few thousand?
So what sort of scenario are you proposing?
Also, watch a higher resolution video (about :09) and tell me if that still looks like a second contrail.

edit on 15-11-2010 by LordBucket because: (no reason given)

In the link that you provided,
the last photo at the bottom, with Marcella Lee displays 2 (yes 2) contrails.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by notsoperfect
Contrail is real whether it was from the jet or from the airplane but this OP's conjecture is a Hoax.
Amazing to see how people can come up with all kinds of nonsenses.

now my question is:

how can a theory be a hoax ???

i stated my theories and the evidence
I found to substantiate those theories.
I don't consider that a hoax.

that would be the equivalent of u voicing
your opinion and me calling u a hoax.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I know this is probably a dumb questions, but why exacly does china want to fight a war against the usa? wouldnt that just make it more difficult for usa to pay them back?

China seems to be all about money and with the usa gone their economie would collapse unless they are ready to become the worlds consumer as the us is now....

Basically im just asking for a solid reason.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

1) Chinese launch Ballistic Missile from Jin Sub.

From where?

2) US Air Defense boards lit up like a Christmas Tree
with early warnings.

They lit up like a 'Christmas tree' only after it sailed all the way over the Pacific and entered American airspace? What were personnel of US Air Defense orgs doing in the meantime? Smoking pot?

3) US Launches smaller missile to intercept Chinese
missile. See how the US Missile contrail is much
smaller. It's probably a PAC-II.

PAC-II? Its obsolete. I thought we had graduated to PAC-III or even the SM-3 missile which incidentally does not have an explosive charge, but launches a kinetic projectile. So where's the question of it exploding near the alleged 'Chinese missile'? Anyway, it still looks like an aircraft contrail to me!

4) US Missile intercepts and explodes near Chinese
Missile but does not destroy it.

See above

6) US Gov denies a missile launch cuz they
are embarrassed they didn't save America
from this aggression. Had this been designed
to inflict serious damage to the US. They would
have succeeded in penetrating American Defense.

An argument that's beyond bizarre! So the Chinese planned to destroy America with one missile and 'inflict serious damage'? And one piddling missile can screw all of American Air Defense Systems? Jeeeez!

7) Once again, the US Air Defense is red-faced.
last time it was the US Navy.

Oh? How many faces did you inspect to arrive at this conclusion?

Sorry folks, it was a Chinese Missile

Sorry, it wasn't! QED!