LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

lol, I needed a laugh..
Thanks

Dodge.


Again.

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Here's a question, then. If this was a Chinese missile, then who is responsible for all of the other missiles being sighted? I've read reports of missiles having been seen in Phoenix, New York, Canada, etc. Are the Chinese launching warning shots across our proverbial bow? Are their missiles laced with chemicals? Our own government spraying chemtrails isn't enough, now the Chinese are involved? Well, maybe Haliburton "out-sourced" this service.

Hear BackinBlack figured u could use a rest.

Infamous Contrail (aka the 'Mystery Missile') Spotted in Satellite Image
By SPACE.com Staff

posted: 16 November 2010
05:36 pm ET


Infamous Contrail (aka the 'Mystery Missile') Spotted in Satellite Image
news.yahoo.com...

I quote from the above text, below,

"It appeared to be between two high clouds, one in foreground and one in the background," Minnis said. "I would have expected that it was at the same level or above the high clouds, so it should have been obscured more by the cloud in the background. Thus, I concluded again that it was a missile."

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/138a20263a5a.jpg[/atsimg]

red=clouds

yellow=contrail / plane

why are people seeing two contrails?

Why is the text box feature of my photoshop not working?

reply to post by Resurrectio


(snip)

The plane people also have an obligation to bring facts forward that support their view.
Phage has tried twice with two different planes and fallen flat.

Anyone want to propose another flight number for the contrail? I won't hold my breath! And then try to confirm it using the official government sources you trust so much. HA HA HA!

I am CERTAIN that the contrail in question is NOT a plane because if it was, NORAD would have made a public statement precisely identifying the aircraft that caused the contrail. And at the very least presented RADAR tracking data to confirm the object was what they said. They would do anything to salvage their almost zero credibility with the public and the rest of the Government. They don't even have a statement on their webpage about the 'incident'!

NORAD knows EXACTLY what 'it' is. The have billions of dollars of sensors to tell them exactly what 'it' was IN REAL TIME! They are telling the politicians with the right clearances what it really is. And you can bet ANYTHING is is not a plane! QED!





Mod Note: Do not attack other members. If you have a bone to pick with someone's views, attack the argument and leave the member out of it.

I doubt that it was the Chinese because they depend upon the rest of their world for their economy, showing their strength by faking an attack on a US city would be idiotic.

Seems this thread has gone off topic and just evolved into a troll fest.

reply to post by BobAthome


The article then goes on to conclude:

With the help of other Langley researchers, Minnis also learned that on Nov. 9, conditions were "ripe" for persistent contrails over the Pacific west of Los Angeles, but that the contrails would only survive for a short time closer to the coast.
"As it turns out, the high clouds seen in the background of the video were actually behind the contrail because the plane had flown north of the clouds, and changed course to the northeast, so that the clouds were behind the contrail as viewed from Catalina Island," Minnis said. "All of that information changed my mind."
Based on his research, Minnis said he can't definitively prove that the contrail came from an airplane. But, it is the "most likely" scenario given the data.

Your own source.

reply to post by boondock-saint



OK...It is official. While the premise of the OP was just getting on the skis, waiting for the boat to get into position and take up the slack in the line, before he was to yell "Hit it!", and begin skiing.....and then the rope broke (because this OP was a NON-starter, from the very beginning)...

However, after all these pages (and a new rope) the skier got up, shakily, amateurishly....but eventually led to this, and NOW has officially jumped the shark....:

An Alaskan F-22 Raptor went missing
in this article.

Date of THAT article is today (17th November). Refers to an incident of a missing airplane and pilot from YESTERDAY, the 16th. There is NO CONNECTION to over one week ago, in the Los Angeles area. WHY is this sort of crap being tolerated?? Is this now acceptable, on ATS boards? What is the line, where is it anymore?? (This is a situation that is developing now...and the family of that missing pilot is likely terribly concerned. To that completely unconnected, and potentially tragic, story in this manner is despicable).

Words cannot sufficiently express how sad it is to see this sort of garbage continue to post on ATS. It is foolish in the extreme. For the OP himself to put out such blatant DISINFORMATION indicates (to me) that the real intent of this thread is not the same as stated in the OP.

It seems to be nothing but attention-seeking, pure and simple. ALL well and good, I say, to play games WHEN they are clearly labelled as such. Meaning, the "what if" game...AKA "Devil's advocate" and so forth...

However, this sort of nonsense is poisoning gullible people's minds. I don't understand the mindset that enjoys this sort of deceptive practice. STOP IT NOW!!! Admit it, and shut down, and focus on REAL stories, instead of this fiction......

Yes, that was a rant. It was focused on the topic of this thread....because the "topic" is a fallacy to begin with, has not been proven, and is only being perpetuated by bogus "material", spin and distortion...and, if it were to be looked at very, very closely, quite possibly intentional lies.


In the unlikely event that the OP truly, honestly and deeply in his/her heart believes this, as presented, and is not an intentional deception?? Then, let those who ALSO "agree" wallow in their ignorance, and leave them alone to play together, is the only logical response, from here on out.

Feeding this junk just allows it to fester and rot, and it stinks enough already as it is...stop adding more material, and it will dry up, and blow away...and leave fresh air behind it......

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Originally posted by woogleuk
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/138a20263a5a.jpg[/atsimg]

red=clouds
yellow=contrail / plane
why are people seeing two contrails?
Why is the text box feature of my photoshop not working?

edit on 17/11/10 by woogleuk because: (no reason given)

It looks like you might be using a different image, --one more suitable to sell your theory. I agree that it is difficult to make out two contrails, but the object was not a plane/airliner. Don't you think that newscrew, cameramen and pilots all know what an airliner looks like? They've seen THOUSANDS of airliners taking off in LA, hundreds of take offs and landings each couple of hours. They are considered subject matter experts as to what a "normal" take off looks like by the sheer fact that they've seen thousands of them. They filmed this because it was highly ABNORMAL. The rate of speed, the amount of trail. It's not a standard airliner. All outgoing flights were investigated and this "launch" did not match up to any of the airport records. And, ever since 9-11, they tend to keep ACCURATE RECORDS of airliner take-offs.

reply to post by GhostLancer


I've seen enough contrails, including the optical illusion created here, to come to a reasonable conclusion that it is a plane.

Why do we, the public, only get to see a short segment of the video?

If it does not exist, why does the cameraman stop recording something which could be a sigificant career boost for him?

Why, in a zoomed in section of the video do we clearly see red and green nav lights?

Why in McDonalds do they always insist on putting gherkins in your big mac, even after running round the restaurant with "NO SODDING GHERKINS written on napkin in big letters?

From space.com:

The 'mystery' contrail is visible as a horizontal white streak in the middle of the lower left quadrant of this image, captured by the Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite 11. The satellite is a partnership between NASA Goddard Space Flight Center and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Credit: NASA/NOAA

Maybe not clearly a plane, but definatley no missile, it's not travelling up.....maybe Kermit torched Big Bird for getting jiggy with Miss Piggy?

Argue about the validity of the image, but don't assume to know the U.S. military like it's your Dad's company.

Check out the CIA Memorial Wall of Stars. Tell me how many names are listed on there?

Not here to argue if this was a Chinese missile or an UFO, just trying to understand some of the posters thinking pattern.

Sometimes, the world is saved and no one would know about it. I doubt anyone truly realize just exactly how many times it has happened in the past. Be it, some black ops team stopped a nuclear missile from launching, or some James Bond special agent stops some crazy guys' master plan.

What you see in Hollywood movies is what happens in real life, minus the hot chicks and the drama

Point is, argue about the image, argue about the videos. But please don't be so naive to assume that if U.S. fails to prevent an attack on it's own soil, they would come out and admit it to the public. This type of things won't happen and the most logical response is "We don't know what happened.".

Trust me, "We don't know what happened?" will not create mass panic, won't crash the stock market the next day.

However, "We just got attacked by a Chinese missile and although we intercepted it but it came darn close to flattening L.A."... this will cause chaos within a few days.

Think it about it.

I can't really determine if the picture of videos show a ballistic missile, I'm not trained in aviation or aerodynamic engineering to make comments. However, for the U.S. military defense to say they don't know what it was... it's no longer embarrassing, but rather shady.

It took them how long before they determined it was a Hawaii 808? Really guys.. we spend billions and billions of dollars on defense budget, air traffic control, surface to air monitoring...

Even if it was really a Hawaii 808 that spit out the trails... really it's been a while since I've seen an airplane fly .. upwards... even if it was an airplane, tell me how long it took our defense network to find out? I'm waiting...

If I'm not mistaken, at first I think the Pentagon even got involved on trying to determine what went on. So after all the scramble... we are told it is Hawaii 808? Really guys, really?

I know, the next time you want to cause panic and confusion on U.S. soil, just fly an conventional airplane over to our boarders. Next thing you know, the U.S. would have no clue who sent the plane in, let alone determine if it's dangerous or not ....

Guys, does this sound like the most powerful nation in the world to you? Do you feel safe in America?

US NAVY Now says that the missle seen off Catalina Island was a test of US Naval capibilities.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by truthseeker84


I agree with your logic and I think a lot of people on this thread have the same kind of thoughts as yours. As I see it, most of those planers here are disinfo agent. They are doing damage control here for their masters. But what kinda damage control they did? More damages to their own "theories". hahaha. Even the officials dare not to claim it is a contrail for quite some days after the incident. If it is so "obvious" that it is caused by a jet contrail, why did it take so long for the professionals to figure it out?

The planers brought in all kinds of pictures, "authorities", and websites as if these are concrete proofs. I am really impressed with their devotion to an internet forum like this. They are really working overtime!

I just want to repeat the question I raised in the earlier pages of this thread:

Please come over and explain to me why, on the screen capture by the OP, the trail is much wider at its bottom than its source?

The plane theory is solely dependent on the argument of perspectives. So, if it is a jet contrail coming TOWARD the viewer from the horizon, kindly please educate me why the tail of the "contrail", which should be much FARTHER away from the viewer, appears to be much wider than the source, which is supposed to be much CLOSER to the viewer?

Don't bring me any additional images or videos, don't cite any authorities, and don't Phage this Phage that. Just answer my humble question based merely on the still image that OP has brought into this thread.

Dare to try?

Cheers.

reply to post by Human_Alien

No.
The Navy says no such thing. The "evidence" presented is the standing Notice to Mariners for the region.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

No.
The Navy says no such thing. The "evidence" presented is the standing Notice to Mariners for the region.

edit on 11/17/2010 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I posted this 'notice' a while ago but just thought I'd re-post it seeing someone else made a thread about it.


No, what? The Navy didn't say this? So now this 'notice' is wrong too?
Man Phage, you just never ever concede. In fact, the more you defend (even erroneously now) the more of a undeniable debunker you look like (I still like you though

It says:
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY


It's not (nor is the title thread) saying what we saw on Nov 8th at around 5PM was definitely theirs but it certainly lends a lot more credence to this being a missile than a plane that no one has yet to identify.

Excuse my copy/paste but I will be noting this post on my thread now.

Bravo Boon Dock well Theorized.... Ive been trying to keep up with this since you started it so forgive me if this has already been brought up....

I believe it was a missle and i bet if you ask 10 people 6 believe its a missle and probably half of those think it was a foriegn governments....

Now since this website is for all of this stuff and we are debating who launched it or if it was a plane....

What if it was ours knowing full well the American people wouldn't believe them anyways when they say it was a plane but now it has people thinking about missles being launched and the possiblity of a foreign government doing it... SO....

If the next false flag operation just happens to be the NUKING of L.A. to start things off this attack by a rouge North Korean Sub would have all Major Cities freaked out... FEMA comes in and says yes we have these underground bunkers under the Denver Airport and in Kansas City etc... Fema Camps will fill up with Volunteers... Then they can start the massacre... 10 mil down in LA and millions more to come.

Could it be a missile with the intentions of being the precursor to a false flage op?

reply to post by weedwhacker

You're right (I think) they found the missing plane.

F-22 aircraft crash site found