LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

Your pics you just posted are laughable.. When have any of us "planers" tried to cover up the orgin.. Any fool can see that the contrail is going down to the horizon.. or at least that what I thought. I dont know if you have heard of Christopher Columbus.. He proved the earth was round..many many years ago. - your welcome

Assume it is flight 902..Look at how wide that contrail is near the horizon and yet it still looks as dense as all the contrail...Flight 902 was 160 miles away at the time of that pic..Can you imagine how wide that contrail would have to be when visible like that??

Originally posted by Resurrectio

1) assuming a lot (as usual) You just cant stop with all of the assumptions. Do you plan on backing 1 of these with proof?
2) ICBM/IRBMs launched from subs can not be CONTROLLED once fired. Umbilical detachment and the missile is on its own.
3) Patriot missiles are not ship based. So we did not hit (or not) the Chicom missile with a Patriot and they could not have corrected its course if hit by anything else.

1) Assumptions? lmao
u haven't been reading

2) The ones we know about, NO
the ones they have that we don't know about, YES

3) I do not know at present exactly what kind of
interceptor missile was used. I used the Patriot
as an example only and showed how the technology
works as an instructional basis only. An Aegis Missile
Cruiser would have been a more suitable choice
to use. But that is speculation at this time.
I'm still trying to figure out what type missile was
fired first. The 2nd missile ID will come later

reply to post by backinblack


I can imagine.. I can speculate.. But I am not going to claim an assumption as fact. I am simply not wired that way. If this takes away some of the excitment...I apologize.

reply to post by backinblack


Black... It is odd that you would ask that question..

Can you explain what you said here then - www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by backinblack

Assume it is flight 902..Look at how wide that contrail is near the horizon and yet it still looks as dense as all the contrail...Flight 902 was 160 miles away at the time of that pic..Can you imagine how wide that contrail would have to be when visible like that??

If the trail was from a missile it would be smoke. It would disperse over time and disappear. If it were a contrail, under the right conditions it would grow wider and eventually form a layer of cirrus clouds. Does this trail look like it's dispersing or spreading?

reply to post by boondock-saint


Boon,

You offer speculation as proof to back up speculation. It seems as though you are running out of legitimate arguments.
All you are doing is offering speculation..

You really just said this. "the ones they have that we don't know about, YES".. No speculation or assumptions here.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by backinblack

 

Black... It is odd that you would ask that question..

Can you explain what you said here then - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sorry. I just read through that page but I"m not sure what you are refering to..
Could you post what I said that you think is odd please?

BTW, I don't think ALL contrails form clouds..

reply to post by DJW001

If the trail was from a missile it would be smoke. It would disperse over time and disappear. If it were a contrail, under the right conditions it would grow wider and eventually form a layer of cirrus clouds. Does this trail look like it's dispersing or spreading?

Thats not possible to tell from a 60 second video...What do you consider to be "over time" ?

I would guess it's more than 60 sec..

reply to post by backinblack


Black,

You say "That contrail is too far away." you were asked what you base that statement on and you say "Well, just look at it!"

You say "That contrail is too wide." you were asked how wide and how you came to that conclusion. Then all you have to say is "just look at it.

Then you go on about the heigth of the contrail - You cant explain how you reached that conclusion either.
Are you able to back up anything you have said here?

Phage calculated the height of the contrail in the LAX webcam. he feels it is exactly where it should be..

Contrailscience shows that the images align with the flightpath.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by backinblack

 

Black,

You say "That contrail is too far away." you were asked what you base that statement on and you say "Well, just look at it!"

You say "That contrail is too wide." you were asked how wide and how you came to that conclusion. Then all you have to say is "just look at it.

Then you go on about the heigth of the contrail - You cant explain how you reached that conclusion either.
Are you able to back up anything you have said here?

Phage calculated the height of the contrail in the LAX webcam. he feels it is exactly where it should be..

Contrailscience shows that the images align with the flightpath.

They were not quotes from me..Phage posted that, he didn't quote..
The comments were in regard to Phage insisting it was Flight 902, something NO official or the FAA has been prepared to do to this day...
If you assume it was that flight then at the time the lax pic was taken flight 902 was known to be 160 miles off the coast..
That would make the contrail around 140 miles over the horizon..So yes, it would have to be a frikin big contrail..

reply to post by backinblack

Thats not possible to tell from a 60 second video...What do you consider to be "over time" ?

I would guess it's more than 60 sec..

If you follow the trail backwards with your eye, you are looking backwards in time. Does the trail near the horizon look like it's getting more transparent (dissipating) or growing thicker and denser?

Originally posted by Resurrectio
1)You make an assumption or a complete leap of logic.
2) Someone disputes that with proof and facts.
3) You say they are wrong.. without providing facts to back up your claim.
4) Rinse and repeat.
Op.. good work at hoaxing ATS... Thats what you have done here.. You have led the easily manipulated down a road of delusion and paranoia.

once again for all the paranoia buffs
who needs all the current evidence on one page.
Here ya go

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reply to post by backinblack


What do you base this on. "It would be a big fricking contrail" Seriously.. Are you assuming? Please back something up with some sort of facts or knowledge.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

3) Patriot missiles are not ship based. So we did not hit (or not) the Chicom missile with a Patriot and they could not have corrected its course if hit by anything else.

edit on 11/17/2010 by Resurrectio because: (no reason given)

WRONG - The Navy has incredible facility on San Nicholas Island, 60 miles west of LA that is DEDICATED to missile testing. And it has permanent NOTAM's and Notice to mariners posted for launches at ANY time. We could have easily launched Patriot missiles from there.

Also, see my previous post on this page for details and other reasons why it could not have been a plane. Including the fact NORAD would have REPORTED it as a plane within minutes of DETECTING it, so we would not even be having this 'discussion'!

reply to post by boondock-saint


Your really ticking me off with this argument..
let me yell this time...maybe you'll address it.

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO ASSUME, THE CURRENT SHAPE AND FORM OF THE CONTRAIL HAS STAYED IN THE SAME SHAPE. WHY CAN'T YOU WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND THE FACT THAT, THE WIND COULD HAVE CAUSED THE ZIGZAGS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE!!

Such a simple concept... But it doesn't fit your exciting chinese sub and patriot missle theory.. I can even type that with a straight face..

Do not dodge this one.. Like you have dodged all intelligent questions.. Phage's questions have gone unanswered. Tom had enough of your speculation and dodging all reasonable questions. I am getting close to my wits end.. You are chasing this like a dog after it's tail.

I find myself arguing such obvious things here on ats.

reply to post by boondock-saint


What if it's not a missile as the media originally claimed? What if this were a Chinese plane spraying a chemtrail? The whole story might be a cover-up of the failed US effort to stop a successful chemtrail attack! That way you'd be right about it being Chinese, the US media lying, the photo showing an interceptor missile AND you've got a spectacular chemtrail! You'd be absolutely right about everything.

reply to post by fah0436


fah ... NORAD said they did not have anything UNEXPLAINABLE on radar.. Why is it so hard to understand that a plane is explainable and a missile unexplainable.. You guys are gonna drive me nutz..

Heck .. I think it was a missile... I think another one is coming.. So grab Boon and head for your shelters.. We will come knock on the door when it's over..

Please think rationally..

China on our shores launching missiles... come on.. really?

Patriot missle "almost taking it out" - proof is a cloud of smoke... really?

News chopper damaged must be TPTB trying to silence the media - except.. different helo - different pilot- different base!

All assumptions.. And stretching the facts to fit your fantasy.

There is not one ounce of logic here .. If this was a pissing contest to see who had the most outlandish imagination.. You and Boon .. Win!

reply to post by Resurrectio

and why can't you address the fact and get your head
around the fact that this missile did NOT come from
over the horizon. It came from the surface.
The pics prove that fact that it came from
UNDER the horizon.

put that in ur pipe and bunk it

when u start addressing my points,
I'll start addressing urs, til then ......
T&C's observed

reply to post by fah0436

Including the fact NORAD would have REPORTED it as a plane within minutes of DETECTING it, so we would not even be having this 'discussion'!

Why would NORAD report one of the hundreds of routine civilian flights it detects approaching over pre-planned flight routes? We are having this discussion because a local TV station broadcast a tape hours later hinting that it might be a missile. We do not even know if the tape was taken at the time claimed or even on the day claimed. We have video of a trail in the sky. Note that the sky darkens noticeably from clip to clip.

I have read almost all these posts and the question from me is, Since the facts are leading to a missile launch and we shot at it what would have happened if the thing had hit its target ? Why does the millitary want a war? How can any of us stop it? My belief is this was a missile and i showed the vidio to my daughter who has no idea whats going on and she without hasitation stated it was a rocket. Granted she is not a rocket scientist but a ubiased outsider. thank g-d we missed!