TSA (Team Sexual Assault) Wants to grab man's "junk". He says no, they eject him and threaten to

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Uhhh... if I was mad enough to try and run down a person/s with a car, I think my mindset would be such that I'm not too concerned about being traced back to it. Anyway, that's why many people who commit crimes STEAL a vehicle. You know, so it gets traced back to someone else.

What is your point? My point was that there are several security things already implemented to help stop or reduce vehicles from being used as weapons. Unless you want all your freedoms taken away, that is all humans can do about it. Same with aircraft. Unless you want all your flying freedoms taken away, all humans can do is increase security. If you find better solutions please do share, until then, stop crying.

Originally posted by SerialLurker
By deadly, do you mean the capacity to kill or the amount of potential victims? Because if you spoke to anyone who knew someone who was killed in motor vehicle accident they would say it was pretty damned deadly.

You can't get a car and ram it into a 110 story steel building and make it collapse... What do you think?

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Obviously more people would be in immediate danger if a plane were hijacked.

You are correct.

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Imagine though, a gang of crazed bus hijackers stealing buses and cars in a city like New York City or London? You'd be afraid to get on a bus or even drive to work for quite some time. Flying is not a necessity for MOST people but almost everyone uses some sort of motor transport to get to work, school, etc. Imagine what would happen if a school bus full of kids were hijacked?

When was the last time you saw a bus ram into a steel building and it fell to the ground?

A gang of crazed bus hijackers would be on the ground, easily accessible by ground forces.

Imagine though, a gang of crazed jet hijackers stealing jets in populated cities....

I agree, there is other deadly objects. We can't guard them all. We can however guard aircraft. They are potentially the most dangerous objects any single human can easily obtain.

I seriously can't believe I have to discuss this.

Originally posted by AndrewJay
Or the boogeymen in caves will get us right?

No, any random mentally instable guy who had a bad day and wants to end his life in a bang, or a religious extremist who thinks God is talking to them, or even some anarchist who has had enough of the government, or so lunatic that wants revenge, anybody really..... these people do exist and we best hope they don't get a hold of a potential guided missile (aircraft).

When was the last time you saw a bus ram into a steel building and it fell to the ground?

The same time a plane didnt hit a building and it fell to the ground... wait that was building 7 the building nobody talks about. Okay let me rephrase that. The last time I seen a bus ram into a steel building and it fell to the ground wouldve been the same time towers 1 and 2 were hit by planes and they fell to the ground even though jet fuel only burns at 1800 degrees and steel (even if weakend) doesnt fall or melt until around 3000. But then again there was also molten steel as many eyewitnesses have stated so yea it couldve been a bus?

I believe the official story even when science proves it wrong because im a sheep and think the government cares about me so I also give up my freedom so im safe even though this country was founded on the statement GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!

If you want to hand over all your freedoms in the name of safety move to Canada please. Round these parts we dont like walkin into body scanners or bein man handled by high school drop outs making min wage.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Those steel knives; they are butter knives. They have no sharp edges.

Gee, they seem to cut a steak pretty well.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Uhhh... if I was mad enough to try and run down a person/s with a car, I think my mindset would be such that I'm not too concerned about being traced back to it. Anyway, that's why many people who commit crimes STEAL a vehicle. You know, so it gets traced back to someone else.

What is your point? My point was that there are several security things already implemented to help stop or reduce vehicles from being used as weapons. Unless you want all your freedoms taken away, that is all humans can do about it. Same with aircraft. Unless you want all your flying freedoms taken away, all humans can do is increase security. If you find better solutions please do share, until then, stop crying.

Wait, I never said I was crying? You didn't make any points about security "things". If Joe Blow has a fight with his wife and gets so mad that he feels like smashing his car into a building full of people, I don't think his registration or lack thereof is going to be the make or break that stops him doing it.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by SerialLurker
By deadly, do you mean the capacity to kill or the amount of potential victims? Because if you spoke to anyone who knew someone who was killed in motor vehicle accident they would say it was pretty damned deadly.

You can't get a car and ram it into a 110 story steel building and make it collapse...

What do you think?

Who says they're trying to collapse the building? In that case, wouldn't a bomb be more effective and way easier to conceal?

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Obviously more people would be in immediate danger if a plane were hijacked.

You are correct.

Glad we can agree on something.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Imagine though, a gang of crazed bus hijackers stealing buses and cars in a city like New York City or London? You'd be afraid to get on a bus or even drive to work for quite some time. Flying is not a necessity for MOST people but almost everyone uses some sort of motor transport to get to work, school, etc. Imagine what would happen if a school bus full of kids were hijacked?

When was the last time you saw a bus ram into a steel building and it fell to the ground?

A gang of crazed bus hijackers would be on the ground, easily accessible by ground forces.

Imagine though, a gang of crazed jet hijackers stealing jets in populated cities....

Well, 9/11 was the first time I saw a plane, no, wait, two, ram into a steel building and it fell to the ground. Guess there's a first time for everything... Plus, with all these airport pat-downs, might be time for them to try a new approach.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

I agree, there is other deadly objects. We can't guard them all. We can however guard aircraft. They are potentially the most dangerous objects any single human can easily obtain.

I seriously can't believe I have to discuss this.

A single person can easily obtain a plane? Do you really think that? You really think it is the "potentially the most dangerous object any single human can easily obtain?" In another reply to another poster, you mentioned that business class blunt knives and glassware was an ineffective weapon against a sky marshal. If they're not getting on the plane with weapons, and the potential weapons ON the plane are basically not a threat in your eyes, even more laughably so in the presence of a trained, armed sky marshal, please explain how it would be so easy to obtain an aircraft?

Originally posted by FreeSafety
You've made 3 posts since this statement. Funny.

Yes I tried to stay away, but I can't just let ignorant comments go on unopposed. I'll probably stop soon after this post.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
You can try to justify it any way you want to, claiming it's necessary and an airplane's a weapon and all that jazz. What about the air marshals on the planes? They're there to protect the plane, passengers, crew and others on the ground from potentially horrible acts occurring on board. Reasonable security measures are warranted, they always have been, including prior to 9/11. Groping random people who've given no provocation is not reasonable security.

What good are the marshals if they are against people with better weapons including bombs? How can a marshal stop a bomb?

They are NOT groping (in a sexual way). They are checking for weapons. Stop flattering yourself and thinking everyone wants to touch disgusting dirty strangers. They don't want to touch you there, they have to, they were provoked by people who hide stuff there. Don't expect special treatment. They trust nobody. I trust nobody. You should trust nobody. Even little kids are used to hide weapons. Don't you understand this???

Originally posted by FreeSafety
Love your justification that it's okay because males pat down males and females pat down females. Good thing we don't have any gay people in this country, or we may have to be concerned that they were enjoying themselves and picking their random targets based off physical attraction to said target.

Homosexuality is the minority. Sexual attraction to opposite sex is what is more common. That is why I said that. SOMEBODY has to check the genital area. If they don't then lunatics will just hide stuff there like they have many times before. You are in a public place, they are not going to touch you sexually in front of hundreds of witnesses. They check and you move on.

I'm pretty sure the person doing the actual pat down is not the same person who chooses who gets a pat down. So they can't choose on sexual attraction alone. Maybe if the two were friends... but even then... they are not going to sexually assault you in front of hundreds of witnesses and security cameras. GET REAL.

Someone has to check... period.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
You believe an airplane is a weapon, but a building can't be?

No, a building can't be a weapon.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
I guess you never considered a chemical or biological attack delivered through heating and air vents.

A chemical or biological weapon is not a building....

Originally posted by FreeSafety
Just like some insane terrorist behind the controls of an airplane turns that plane into a weapon, having some insane terrorist deliver chemical or biological agents through the ventilation system of a building turns that building into a weapon.

No, the building does not turn into a weapon. The weapon is the chemical or biological agent in that case.

That is like saying the Earth is a weapon when chemical or biological agents are spread through the air.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
Better get the TSA stationed at the entrances to every mall in America so they can pat down everyone who comes in. Let's not forget concerts and sporting events, also.

God, how many times are you people going to repeat that illogical argument.

A mall, concerts, and sporting events, are NOT weapons like an aircraft is a potential weapon.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
You can't be both free and safe. The two can not coexist.

Yes you can. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder. Freedom and safety can coexist. Whoever told you otherwise is a fool.

I have ZERO freedom taken away from me at the airport security checks. Therefor I am both free and safe from weapons when I am on an aircraft. That is just an example.

You are different though. You cry and complain at security checks, and in your eyes your freedom is some how taken away... freedom is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
Freedom is the cost of safety and safety is the cost of freedom.

Come on, I know you can do it. Quote Benjamin Franklin's famous quote about freedom and safety. Come on, I know you want to.

Freedom is in the eye of the beholder. What you say is illogical.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
This country was founded on the principle that we'd rather be free from oppression than safe from danger.

How on Earth do you expect to be stay free from oppression if you are not safe from danger? Danger is used to oppress. Weapons are use to oppress. How do you stay free from oppression if you don't care about weapons?

Originally posted by FreeSafety
Unfortunately, many in this country today disagree with that setniment, because they've always been free and don't know what it means to not be free.

Or how about they disagree with that sentiment because it's impossible to be free from oppression without safety?

Not all safety requires you to give up freedom. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally posted by FreeSafety
We're seeing our freedom erode, and it's a sad state of affairs that many are okay with it "if it makes me safe".

No, we are seeing the freedom of lunatics erode so that we can stop being oppressed by them.

What freedoms have you lost? NONE. You are crying about airport security....

Ok I am done here.... this will be never ending.

Que the hogwash and illogical arguments that everything needs a checkpoint if airports get them. And the rubbish bologna about being "molested" by someone who would probably rather not touch you at all. Oh crap about rights being taken away even though you willingly walk through the checkpoints to get to your airplane.

It's a never ending broken record from the usual conspiracy theorists who just pat themselves on each others backs every single post simply because their way of thought is the trend on these forums.

Originally posted by ppk55
Gee, they seem to cut a steak pretty well.

I can cut a steak with a piece of cardboard. It's called friction.

...yeah also, completely ignore the fact that every single passenger gets one! Oh wow, a terrorist has a dull knife, and so do the rest of the 100 passengers who out number them.



Ok, seriously I am done here. All the posts/questions I'm going to ignore from here on out are the ones that could all easily be answered if the person asking the questions used their brain for one measly minute.

reply to post by YourPopRock


After the shoe bomber the TSA forced us to take off our shoes to go through screening.

After the underwear bomber the TSA now has the right to grope and fondle us.

I sure I hope the next bomber does not decide to hide the bomb in his rectum.

just pure insanity, ..

tip of the hat to the fellow who had to go throu that degrading procedure , .


seams just silly , everyone is on a personal powertrip,

that last video is just pure harassment , well all three videos show degrading behaviur ,

thanks for the install ment , this made it very clear to me that flying in and to and withinn the states is a no no ,

i can manage my day with out gestapo very well thank you ,

i wonder if they would DARE pat down a muslim......

After reading about this woman's experience, I've decided I'd rather use the porn-o-scope. I would not want some government paid employee touching me this way just because I bought a plane ticket.

She felt along my waistline, moved behind me, then proceeded to feel both of my buttocks. She reached from behind in the middle of my buttocks towards my [snip] area. She did not tell me that she was going to touch my buttocks, or reach forward to my [snip] area.

She then felt my inner thighs and my [snip] area, touching both of my [snip] . She did not tell me that she was going to touch my [snip] area or my [snip] .

I did edit the words used in her original blog post, I don't want to trip the ATS censors. You can read the full story here.

The reason she had to suffer thru an enhanced pat down was because she was traveling with a baby & baby formula.

reply to post by OneisOne


It is sad that you have to pick between a person looking at your junk with an undetermined amount of radiation and someone actually grabbing your junk!

Simply put - the terrorists have won! America is now a police state!

reply to post by DontProbeMeBro


Maybe the irony of your monicker and your comments has been noted, but I had to mention this myself. DontProbeMeBro, you seem all too willing to be probed. Like it's no big deal that our bodies are invaded just to move around this world.

Wow.

On Monday one of my sisters,a beautiful blonde in her 30's was scanned THEN patted down and THEN told to "lift her shirt" and this was not in a private room.She is a high-end professional and did everything they asked and was free to travel (she had a meeting and HAD to be on the place,suggests ALL women wear a tight-fitting tank top under their clothing in case of the "raise your shirt" order...)

I have to fly 3 times in the next month: I will walk through a scanner because I also need to "be" where I am flying to and driving that far isn't an option and I'll even go as far as allowing a pat down although I might suggest a male do the job just to be difficult...
However IF I am told to "raise my shirt" in public I have already told my travel-companion I WILL begin to remove my clothing in public to the point of arrest for indecency if need be.I draw the line at such treatment,period.You want to treat me like cheap meat,I CAN and WILL act cheap and stupid!

Go ahead and arrest me,I'd rather take my chances in front of a judge and jury rather than be whittled away at like a prisioner or worse.

Control of the masses through intimidation and humbling might work in some countries but my passport still says I am a citizen of the USA.I will play their game but have drawn my line in the sand as well...

One way to avoid getting felt up is go PRIVATE CHARTER!!! THe TSA screenings are for COMMERCIAL AIRLINES

Originally posted by YourPopRock
reply to post by OneisOne

 

It is sad that you have to pick between a person looking at your junk with an undetermined amount of radiation and someone actually grabbing your junk!

Since precision always helps (I hope) in any discussion, let me state that radiological aspects of the apparatus' operation and the dosage can and are measured with great accuracy. Stating otherwise is ignorant.

Simply put - the terrorists have won! America is now a police state!

Do I detect hysteria?

OK, I have a proposal for you. Let's class airplanes into two categories:
a) "freedom planes" with no checks at all, no shoes checked, no luggage
b) "safety planes" with modern body scan machines

I'll be in line "b" and will read about your doomed "a" flight in the morning papers. And I'll be free to fly over and over again, and you won't be.

reply to post by irishchic


Disrobing in the TSA public view/pat down area is the next step and will draw more media attention as well as highlight the problem. I am waiting for this to happen and I don't expect it will be much longer before someone (either brave enough or fed up enough) pulls this to make a point...

I'm thinking it would be easier to walk through wearing a bikini, but alas - it does lose some flair compared to the above alternative...

ETA:
Ah... the Germans have already figured this out.
nude protest - youtube
nude protest - part two

Originally posted by YourPopRock
This just happened Saturday the 13th of November!

I wonder If this is the Timewave Zero event?

Is this the point where we start standing up to the statute and regulation waving bullies and start to demand to be treated with respect.

I hope so.

So sad, all this anger directed at the people trying to protect us.

Just take the scan, your junk ain’t that special.

Your civil liberties don’t supercede mine. I want all reasonable measures taken to assure me that I will arrive at my destination in tack so I can be involved in an accident with a drunk driver.

reply to post by LadySkadi



Promise you,it WILL happen if I go through scanner, get patted down,and am asked to do ANYTHING else related to the exposure of my person to anything else in public! I literally called my sister a dumbass for lifting her shirt but she said "she just went numb and did it..." Sounds like something a victim of sexual assult would do to increase chances of survival? Twisted.....seriously mucked-up.

To my way of thinking,undies or a bikini under a coat would be a good second choice but provide no shock factor in response to the situation but I think that if people simply give them what they obviously want ie, to bare our bodies and souls to them and their invasive controls,the way to achieve this would simply begin to methodically disrobe with intent of going all the way if need be! Action vs. reaction to my way of thinking.

Supposedly they can see it all on the scanner anyways and I'd be MUCH less shy and uncomfortable about taking my clothes off with the intention of forcing them to stop me for making my point as opposed to having someone demand I "lift my shirt" in a public display of subordination.

The gestures "say" two entirely different things to me...it's about control and not relinquishing all of it.