Pit Bull Conspiracy?

Originally posted by OhZone

And that lilia brasilero or whatever it is can go too.

Is Fila, i had one of those in my father's ranch.

People easily mix up Pit Bulls with Bull Terriers, Bull Terriers are the loving ones as they have some Dalmatian blood, hence the longer nose... Pit bulls on the other hand will love their owner the one day and eat their heart out(literally) the next. Pit Bulls are bread solely to fight... IMO your a moron or a hillbilly to own a Pit Bull.

I have met some lovely "Pit Bulls" in my time as well as some damned scary ones.
I'm sure it really does come down to the owner and the subsequent treatment of the dog. Many times I see what I (unkindly) class as 'dropkicks' with Pit Bulls on choker chains (don't start me on choker chains, but that is another topic) trying to look all staunch and thinking that the dog adds to the image.

However, I have also met lovely family dogs that get on well with everyone, including toddlers and children and strangers once they are introduced.

Heck even my Lucy (in the avatar), who is as gentle as they come, enjoys a good bark at strangers or bible-bashing doorknockers, but never takes it further. Her best mate (deceased last year) was a Pit Bull X who was the snuggliest, nooffiest, most cat friendly dog I have ever met. His Saturday morning snuggles were legendary.

I can't help it. I like Molossers.
I agree that people need to be responsible and certainly a licensing system for the owners would be a great idea, but unfortunately there are people who like these breeds who are on the wrong side of the Law and will not comply.

Personally, due to my lifestyle, I have smaller dogs now (apart from Lucy).
People need to be aware that ANY dog can be dangerous. conversely, ANY dog can be lovely.
I believe it comes down to treatment.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just some hick with a few dogs and a Vet Nurse for a wife.

Originally posted by OptimistPrime
reply to post by louieprima

 

Obviously you didnt see what that report was compiled from. www.dogsbite.org... If you read the last part of the first paragraph, it clearly states it was compiled from (here's the important part) PRESS REPORTS. Hmm.... Math based of what the MSM gives you=Bad Math. I can find more to bust these myths than you can to support em. www.petsdo.com... This site here claims to have some clout in theirs but doesnt do anything to show you what its based on. Heres a link to some more credible sources. dogs.about.com... www.dogwatch.net... www.realpitbull.com...
answers.yahoo.com...
www.austinlostpets.com...
www.webanswers.com...
www.pbrc.net...
We can go on and on. Time for some of you to do some homework or just stop trying to troll lol.

edit on 12-11-2010 by OptimistPrime because: wasnt finished

I was not concerned about the website but the full report is difficult to find without a link. That was the first one I found. Instead of "trolling" yourself, or perhaps trying to defend your stance rather than looking at an issue rationally, you might actually read the full report as I suggest. The writer is an animal rights activist with no clear "anti-pit bull" agenda. He dissects several individual cases and has thrown out any case where there is any question of the dog's breed. That means many likely pit bull attacks were thrown out, so the numbers in the report are likely lowballed. Your "links" are not exactly indicative of "impartial" data. Forget the site. read the report. It is quite thorough and scientific and leaves little doubt of reality per the pit bull. Its a basic issue of sentimentality vs, sicence. I realize people love dogs but open your eyes, please.

Honestly it is the media who builds this up. Pitbulls scored better than many breeds in temperament test this year, as with every year it has been done. They do not have locking jaws, or they would be in the alligator family. Rottweilers have stronger psi biting power than pitbulls. The study's have been done. You want Pitbull truth go to www.facebook.com... You want to know more about the way the media has played on the breed simply for wow factor like they have with other breeds through the years, the real truth. Google The Pitbull Placebo free ebook!

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This was posted some time ago, but I thought I would share with you that I was actually attacked nov 2010 by a pitbull here in Arizona. The dog bit three other people before it was caught. The dog was bred to be aggressive so if it doesn't receive the proper training at a young age it is likely to have serious problems.

Originally posted by louieprima
Look, I live in inner city New Orleans. Pit Bulls are everywhere. And, yes, they are dangerous and violent dogs. There are 2 types of Pit Bull owners. One is much more dangerous to their community than the other. Here in NO we have a burgeoning class of Yankee hipster/yuppies. In many ways that's a good thing. But here are the 2 types of Pit Bull owners: Group A is comprised of dog fighters and wannabe gangsters. Group B is comprised of the afore-mentioned hipster/yuppie community. The dangerous Pit owners are Group B. This is because Group A knows what they have. They have dangerous animals that were specifically bred for aggression and to maximize damage to flesh. According to historical fact, Pit Bulls were bred by humans to inflict maximum damage for the purposes of gambling. Denying this is like saying that German Shepards were not bred to sheppard or protect. It's like saying that pointers were not bred for hunting. Pit Bulls were bred to fight other dogs and other animals and to inflict the maximum damage. They are only good for fighting or for protection. If you allow one of those animals to be around another pet or, esp, your kid, you should be disallowed from pet-owning or parenting. 9 pit bull attacks in our community in the last 9 months. If you think that the media has a conspiracy against pit bulls, you make the Reptilian people look smart. Those dogs should be bred out of existence. Google the Clifton Merritt Report and the CDC report, among others. It is a no-brainer for those who have brains -throughout history, and even pre-history,dogs were bred for specific purpose by HUMANS. ANd Pit Bulls were bred to rip, tear, and shred. It is their purpose

pitbulls were bred for this purpose, but they do not attack other animals or people on a whim. my pit sleeps in bed with my cats, and has never attempted to bit one of my kids even when their ears get pulled of paw gets accidentally stepped on. Any dog will bite if provoked or threatened if not properly trained. Maybe its time that people are actually held accountable for their actions instead of blaming the animal. I trust my family's well being with my dog.

I'm definately not a lover of this breed however like another poster says, most owners are bogans who don't train them properly.

My favorite breed is the Doberman and German Shepard, and I do like the little Fox Terriers.

I inherited 2 pitbull girls.

I have to admit, I didn't like this setup...pittbulls are, in my opinion, mean redneck dogs.

After spending a lot of time with them, I realized I may have been mistaken...these are the best tempered dogs I have ever owned..they are loving and fairly intelligent (ok, one of them is intelligent, the other is a bit daft and always happy).

I think how you raise them is telling on how they will be. one got attacked as I was walking them (by a neighbors pitt bull and some sort of terrier). it was pretty bad actually, I commanded the other bull to stay (she did) and then jumped in to try and seperate em.
Eventually, she did seperate and I simply said home...(she was off her leash at this point, bloody, and under attack still, but finally free of the jaws of the aggressor). She heard me and bolted straight home and into the fence...the terrier followed her, the owner got ahold of his pitt,
My pitt did not attack the terrier, even though she probably had every right to once it followed her in the fense...but instead let her run off once she realize she was alone.
The other dog stood by waiting for my command.

So, it all comes down to how you handle them. I would never let them run freely (however, they have escaped in the past...typically just sniffing at other dogs, and running around in the woods)...and I do try to make sure they get to know other dogs often, be it playing with my parents 3 chiuauahs, their birds, or other random animals... I can feel confident that they will only bite someone if I personally am attacked and give them a fight command..which I never taught them, but they do pick up tone of voice.

Angry and violent pitts are from crappy owners, or genetic issue. All medium and big dog owners must assume their dog will attack anyone at any time and be ready to jump, however, with proper training and introduction into coexistance with strangers often, the chances are less.

Has nothing to do with any hidden agenda... These dogs are looked this way for their reputation and looks.
Most people are intimated by their ability to over power us if they wanted to and the build of the dog.
Its all just a bunch of parents scared for their kids. Just another case of believing others without their own experience of something. A majority of people say something about something so others(small minded people) follow it and believe it.

My pitbull is awesome!



He says he lubbz J00!



Knows how to break dance!



And can (almost lol) call his grandma!



He's the friendliest dog you'll know, loves kids (lick lick lick...lol), is a ham for the camera, wants to follow ya everywhere, and demands to cuddle up next to ya.

But WHOOAAA NELLIE! if you are a stranger that he SENSES has too many twists... he'll growl and bark, even show ya his business smile...

He won't let you near my wife when they're out in public ... lol, which is the way I like it. Way too many perverts in my town who's intent isn't pristine...

Originally posted by louieprima

Originally posted by OptimistPrime
reply to post by louieprima

 

Obviously you didnt see what that report was compiled from. www.dogsbite.org... If you read the last part of the first paragraph, it clearly states it was compiled from (here's the important part) PRESS REPORTS. Hmm.... Math based of what the MSM gives you=Bad Math. I can find more to bust these myths than you can to support em. www.petsdo.com... This site here claims to have some clout in theirs but doesnt do anything to show you what its based on. Heres a link to some more credible sources. dogs.about.com... www.dogwatch.net... www.realpitbull.com...
answers.yahoo.com...
www.austinlostpets.com...
www.webanswers.com...
www.pbrc.net...
We can go on and on. Time for some of you to do some homework or just stop trying to troll lol.

edit on 12-11-2010 by OptimistPrime because: wasnt finished

I was not concerned about the website but the full report is difficult to find without a link. That was the first one I found. Instead of "trolling" yourself, or perhaps trying to defend your stance rather than looking at an issue rationally, you might actually read the full report as I suggest. The writer is an animal rights activist with no clear "anti-pit bull" agenda. He dissects several individual cases and has thrown out any case where there is any question of the dog's breed. That means many likely pit bull attacks were thrown out, so the numbers in the report are likely lowballed. Your "links" are not exactly indicative of "impartial" data. Forget the site. read the report. It is quite thorough and scientific and leaves little doubt of reality per the pit bull. Its a basic issue of sentimentality vs, sicence. I realize people love dogs but open your eyes, please.

you've never owned a pitbull, so until you do you will spread disinfo and fear

epic fail

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O M G! My wife and I are still on the floor in tears... thank you for your very thoughtful post!

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo
you've never owned a pitbull, so until you do you will spread disinfo and fear

epic fail

I think as a fellow pittbull owner, the first thing you must do is understand that you do in fact have a bag of wonderful joy that, underneath, could house a deadly weapon..and act accordingly.

The pitt bulls in my neighborhood -often- attack other dogs (even on leashes). two in particular...of course, both owners of said dogs are always so super confused when this happens..after all, they are the sweetest and most loveable dogs ever..very unlike them.

Well, the problem is, sure...they may be sweet and loveable to you, or some other dogs, but sometimes they just get set off, or sense something we don't.
My father walks one of his little dogs every day...(a chiuauah). Right down the center of the road...and a neighbor pit went after him (bit him on the neck and foot...not bad, but enough to draw blood).

Point is, every pitt attack happened from a dog being off the leash (leash laws are for a reason) and when walking with another dog -near- the house of the pitt...it may have simply been protective of the land or owner...who knows, but ultimately it is the owners fault in these situations.
Now, of all the dog attacks myself and my family have had to deal with, we haven't called animal control..if a dog attacks another dog, in this state, that dog gets put down..period. so, we decided to just give the neighbors a warning to keep their dog either inside, or on a leash.

Pitts, when they attack, are nasty creatures that are responsible for most fatal incidences...they don't stop...focused machines until the task is done...this could be simply the breeding that trained em to be like that over the generations..but the point is moot.

Control your dogs, Master them, and keep them leashed...never be under the illusion that your cute doggy is a harmless doggie and things should be fine.

reply to post by willie9696


hell the only thing in this whole world i trust is my dog
funny the only dogs ive been bitten by were golden retrievers and labs and that was because they were off leash and my terrier was on a full harness two dogs bumrushed me and my dog,then bit me and my dog ,she called the police trying to say i had a dangerious dog i showed them the bite marks on my leg and hand her dogs were put down mine went home with me.ANY dog can bite and hurt people more so children my sisters collie tried to attack her son for its food my terrier pinned the dog to the ground and didnt hurt it just let it know babies were off limits she used to fear the breed now my dog is the only one allowed near her children when before he wasent even allowed to be on the same property as her kids funny how opinions can change.Punish the deed not the breed

reply to post by louieprima

actualy there original purpose was dual that of gaurdian of the children and bull baiter meaning butchers used them to lock on to the nose of bulls to suffocate them so they could butcher them more effectively some people fought them but that was not there original purpose maybe in colonial america but there roots start in england and they were the butchers friend first

reply to post by louieprima


again they were created to subdue BULLS not people or even other dogs thats why people call them pit BULLS some jackasses used them to fight at some point used there natural abilitys to use them to fight and that and people like you who judge a breed by the actions of one of there kind is why we are where we are,so by your logic we should fear other races that act badly and cause hurt historicly to otehr races or are more predisposed to crime? your logic is dangerious

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well id like to see laws against people like you breeding not fun is it being told you have no right to exist educate your self its bad owners not the dogs

reply to post by kimish

was there food involved? most times i hear of dogs that know each other going nuts is because food was involved and the food aggression wasent trained out of them

Originally posted by davespanners
Living in a bit of a rough area of London Staffies (Staffordshire Bull Terriers) are more or less the only type of dog I ever see, every teenager seems to have at least one.

I often look at these poor moronic inbred creatures walking around with dead eyes and tiny brains and can't help but feel sorry for their poor dogs.

edit on 10-11-2010 by davespanners because: (no reason given)

I've got a dog: half-pit bull, half-poodle.
Not much of a guard dog, but a vicious gossip.