Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

reply to post by Eurisko2012




Give that man a cigar. You are correct my friend..

RB out....

reply to post by samkent


Submarines Missing - U.S.Silence Means They Are Not Yet Considered Overdue


The Hartford Courant March 15, 2007

Briefly, Gone Missing
After Navy Loses Contact With Sub, Emergency Actions Begin
In-Depth Coverage By Jesse Hamilton

GROTON -- News that a submarine is missing can shatter the calm of this town like nothing else, even when the report turns out to be an unprecedented false alarm.

The Groton-based USS San Juan was out of radio contact for a short time during an exercise off the Florida coast, the Navy said. It was long enough to initiate a search-and-rescue operation and to activate the phone tree for family members in and around Groton, notifying them that something may have gone wrong.

Before Angela Smith's phone rang at 8:30 Wednesday morning, she had always thought of her husband's Navy duty as so much safer than that of a soldier in Baghdad.

"You think that because he's in a submarine and not on the streets of Iraq, he's relatively safe," she said. Then somebody calls and says the San Juan, with her husband, Chief Petty Officer Brent Smith, aboard, was considered missing overnight.

"You realize what could happen. This is my first brush with that kind of thing. It's not something I want to go through again."

A Wednesday statement from the office of the U.S. submarine force command said the San Juan was one of three subs on an exercise with the USS Enterprise's carrier strike group. The group lost contact with the Los Angeles-class submarine Tuesday evening and reportedly sighted a red flare - a possible distress signal.

That was enough, the statement said, to start a search-and-rescue operation and to alert the International Submarine Escape and Rescue Liaison Office, or ISMERLO - a group in Virginia that organizes submarine rescues.

reply to post by smurfy


Which points should I elaborate on ?

reply to post by Rocky Black


This is getting way off topic but it suffices to say there are NO MISSING SUBMARINES.

You might want to reevaluate your entire belief structure.

reply to post by samkent




What ever happen to the kursk. Does anyone know? I think they said it expploded during a firing exercise of a new rocket type torpedo.

At least that is what the US navy reported as it was stalking the subs acoustics and said it sounded like it launched a rocket.

reply to post by Rocky Black


Or was it trying to tap into fiber optic cables.

I remegber not to long ago the some countries cables were disconnected for some reason or cut or broken.

That was so they could be spliced into so when the are reconnected/repaired to listen spying parties would go undetected. When the cable came back on line whatever the attenuation is is what it is. If someone taps in to a previosly connected line the attenuation would drop.

Just my opinion..

RB out.

reply to post by Rocky Black


Pure fantasy.

Originally posted by Rocky Black
reply to post by samkent

 

What ever happen to the kursk. Does anyone know? I think they said it expploded during a firing exercise of a new rocket type torpedo.

At least that is what the US navy reported as it was stalking the subs acoustics and said it sounded like it launched a rocket.

As I recall, the Russians said a torpedo 'went hot' , meaning it launched.

It was not in a tube.

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Pure fantasy.

The US tapped a supposedly secure Soviet underwater cable during the Cold War.

The work was done by divers working from a submarine. Operation Ivy Bells was the name of the mission.

Link

reply to post by butcherguy


"Operation Ivy" was in the 1970s. Think about the technology, then. Other ATS member mentioned fibre optics...

In the 1960s, transoceanic cables were coaxial cables that transmitted frequency-multiplexed voiceband signals. A high voltage direct current on the inner conductor powered the repeaters. The first-generation repeaters are among the most reliable vacuum tube amplifiers ever designed. Later ones were transistorized. Many of these cables are still usable, but abandoned because their capacity is too small to be commercially viable. Some have been used as scientific instruments to measure earthquake waves and other geomagnetic events.

Do you mean to suggest that fibre optics were used by the Soviets in the 1970s?

In the 1980s, fiber optic cables were developed. The first transatlantic telephone cable to use optical fiber was TAT-8, which went into operation in 1988.

en.wikipedia.org...

Funny, how some stories just need to have a further investigation, to get at a deeper (pun) truth.....

reply to post by weedwhacker


I gave you a star for bringing up a good point, I was vague.

Pure fantasy.

That was the quote I was working from, fairly vague, I think you will agree.

I was saying that cable 'tapping' can and has been done clandestinely from submerged submarines. It has, right?

I also should say that being familiar with the Ivy story, I know that the cable was not opened or spliced in any way, which would mean that it could not have been a fiber optic cable that they were working with.

The cable was not a transoceanic cable, but a short-run secure communications cable linking two parts of a Soviet naval facility.

"Operation Ivy" was in the 1970s. Think about the technology, then. Other ATS member mentioned fibre optics...

Just to say, the operation ended in 1981. By my saying this, I am in no way speaking about fiber optics, I am just saying that 1981 is (technically) not the 1970's.

Peace.

I don't know if anything has been posted to this thread before in regards to this reply and I'm sorry but I just can't go 5-10 pages deep to find out, but has or does anyone have more detail or a more detailed article concerning something I read today? I am not on the west coast so there was only a snippet in a newspaper that basically made mention of:
12/8/2010
Los Angeles- A Private Spacecraft prepared for launch. A Hawthorne, California based rocket venture plans to send an Apollo like capsule into space and have it splash down into the Pacific, becoming the first commercial spacecraft to orbit the globe and re-enter. If successful, it would mark a major turning point for private spaceflight and a key milestone for SpaceX, a venture started by Silicon Valley entrepreneur Elon Musk.
The article came from The Record newspaper

There were one or two others short ones I found, mentioning the company's activity in Fl. Does anyone have a larger article from the California area? Was it tied into the launch off of the coast?

reply to post by butcherguy


No I was talking about the cables which went down recently. See below.

I was just saying that when these F/O went down due to some mysterious reason you can be your bottom dollar it was the navy seals deep water operations which cut/spliced into the line.

Cut it and make it look obvios that it was like a boat or human error. Take down the loop. Put a splice into the line and when the line is operational again. The transmitted pulses/encrypted data are recieved and transmitted undected.

Now if you have a fiber optic loop and you set it up and calibrate it. You know the attenuation loss over the length of the cable and the loss at each interconnection. Now if someone comes and cuts into the signal and places a splice in between there will be some signal loss and this will either cause someone to raise their eye brows to say what the...

The splice was created years back by some genuis and was robbed of his patent due to the goverment calling national security and the guy got jacked and some big corp got rich.

Not sure of the company but I'm sure if you googled fiber optic cable splice patent stolen. you will see something.

RB out.

The FAA reports that they are missing info on 119,000 aircraft. Given this, how can we really believe they KNEW what the "missile" was and that it posed no threat?

newyork.cbslocal.com...
www.google.com...

reply to post by this_is_who_we_are


Again....taking a story out of context.

By people who do NOT understand what they're talking about.

This is only about the FAA's poor record-keeping of airplane REGISTRATION Certificates! In most cases, involving airplanes privately owned...SMALL ones....(well, airCRAFT...since can include light-than-air, gliders, helicopters, blimps, and even some small sport-type powered paragliders.....ANYTHING that flies, and falls in the category of requirement for FAA Registration)!!!

www.faa.gov...

Article from JULY, 2010:

www.wilmerhale.com...

Article from MAY, 2010:

www.mondaq.com...

MORE (factual, not hyperbole) info:

Background

Information on the U.S. Civil Aircraft Register, a database maintained by the Aircraft Registration Branch of the FAA, is used to communicate safety-related information to aircraft owners, for law enforcement purposes, in connection with investigations of accidents or incidents and to identify aircraft, when necessary, for use by the U.S. armed forces. It also serves as a resource for individuals, banks, and other institutions involved with financing aircraft purchases. The FAA is charged with recording in the database each aircraft's registration number ("N-number"), complete description, and registered owner's name and address.

Aircraft records are created when owners of U.S.-registered aircraft file an Aircraft Registration Application (AC Form 8050-1) at the time title to the aircraft transfers to them. Once the FAA processes the application, the agency sends the owner an Aircraft Certificate of Registration (AC Form 8050-3, also known as a "Hard Card") to be carried onboard the aircraft. Hard Cards typically had no expiration date and remained valid until the FAA learned that ownership information changed, or the agency otherwise determined that an event occurred requiring revocation of the registration. A Hard Card, together with an airworthiness certificate (FAA form 8100-2 ), is essential for a U.S.-registered aircraft to operate legally in U.S. and foreign airspace.

Since at least 1980, owners of U.S.-registered aircraft have been required to self-report events that affected the information contained in the Register (e.g., the sale or destruction of their aircraft, a change in the owner's mailing address or name, etc.). While a failure to file such reports formally subjected the relevant aircraft's registration certificate to revocation, in practice, the FAA relied on owners to comply voluntarily with the update requirements and rarely investigated cases where information appeared to be inaccurate. Even when owners clearly failed to update registration details, the agency did not purge the records from its system to ensure that a new active aircraft would not be assigned an N-number still used by an aircraft being flown with a revoked registration. Rather, when an aircraft record appeared to be inaccurate, the FAA typically identified it as "questionable" and continued to maintain it in the database.
www.jonesday.com...

This has absolutely nothing, ZERO, to do with the mistaking of a jet contrail off the coast of California last month, and confusing it with a so-called "missile trail"!

This is the kind of irrelevant speculation that is ruining the seeking of logical and reasonable discourse...both in real life, on the Internet, and especially on ATS!

Also, for those who may not know (but every pilot does) there are two documents that MUST be onboard an aircraft, when it is being operated: The current (valid) Registration form, and the current Airworthiness Certificate. IN addition, if the aircraft has a radio transceiver (for communications) then it must have an FCC Radiotelephone Permit as well.

These items must be prominently displayed somewhere, usually in the cockpit, of very near by. You may ask to see them on the next airliner you fly on, if you wish. They used to be on the inside of the cockpit doors....but, with new "hardened" and secure doors, they are usually now mounted on the bulkhead, somewhere just inside the door.

reply to post by Cheroqui

There were one or two others short ones I found, mentioning the company's activity in Fl. Does anyone have a larger article from the California area? Was it tied into the launch off of the coast?

You can read a full play by play of the entire Spacex Dragon flight here, complete with videos:
Spaceflight Now

One of the most telling arguments against the interpretation of the KCBS video as a missile is that missile launches are generally highly publicized, even the "secret" ones. Contractors are eager for potential clients and investors to see their handiwork, even if the details are classified.

reply to post by weedwhacker


The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.
Hmm. Yes. Right. Oh. Gah. Works. Dude. Sweet. Meh. Add more assorted monosyllabic exclamations ***here***

Originally posted by Mr. D

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Swamp Gas with the sun behind it.

Trust me.

LOL...... Could use a little humour on such a serious thread.

No REALY!

Trust me, it was all an imagination of the public!

reply to post by Esger


Why stop a rumor that helps?

Also, why explain anything, you have the IDIOTS that describe our supposedly "TRUE NEWS" from the idiocy of the MSM!

reply to post by weedwhacker


Do you understand the meaning of SOVEREIGNTY?

Frelling idiot, there is what is called a zone of influence, pilots like this idiot does not explain it. Problem is, who is going to protect your airline? If you are in the US, you are protected by the US air defense system. If you are flying on France International, you are flying on that system.

PERIOD!