Congress report concedes POTUS Obama eligibility Unvetted (tides turn against him)

reply to post by anon72


So because nobody but the Hawaiian government reviewed Obama's long form birth certificate, he's ineligible?

If you can prove to me that the last 43 previous presidents presented their long form birth certificate's, you may be onto something. Now get onto it!

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Nice try. Wrong arguement.

We were attempting to discuss the fact that it was now admitted to that no one properly vetted his credentials (as well as past presidents-it appears).

That being said and now knowing there is a Hole in the fence that needs a fixing. If during all of this fixing, it was determined Obama (or any president) be properly escorted from the office.

In a nut shell. Night.

Originally posted by anon72
We were attempting to discuss the fact that it was now admitted to that no one properly vetted his credentials (as well as past presidents-it appears).

Wrong - you mean no Federal body vetted his credentials, he was vetted by the states.

Originally posted by Aim64C
Obama's citizenship status is a fairly dicey one and probably falls outside of existing legal guidelines and precedents.

Well what exactly do you mean by this? Obama is the 7th president to be born of parents in which only one was a citizen:

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

There was also the court case of Wong ark where it was argued that if the ruling was made in Wong's favour, he will be eligible for the presidency. This argument was taken as a note to the courts eventual ruling. Among the 72 birther lawsuits, it had already been stated a number of times that Obama is a natural born citizen is the eyes of the court.

Now if there is doubt about the validility of Obama being born on US soil you may as well do the same for the rest fo the 43 presidents. Obama has made more effort to clarify his birth on US soil. The only other birth certificate I've seen a president present was that of Reagan and he did so following his administration for the Reagan museum.

Reply to post by Southern Guardian

Did the previous 43 presidents give us even a bread crumb of a doubt that they were not born in the US?




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This video is hardly anything.. All the commentator proves is his lack of ignorance to other cultures.

And conservatives are cheering that on.

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Nice try. Wrong arguement.

It's a very valid argument. The actual report you sent to us contains the statement that stating that Washington did not see Obama's original birth certificate prior or following his swearing to the presidency. It was not an admission that congress did not vett Obama's eligibility. The article further states that a long form birth certificate is not a compulsory requirement to verify the eligibility of a citizen for president.

This is why you fail to provide us 43 long for birth certificates, because the vast majority of presidents have not presented one. The notion that the dissappearance of you original birth certificate will make you unqualified for the presidency is just utter stupidity. I am not even aware as to whether I still have mine, as I understand it's sitting at the old folks home. I hardly know anybody who still has theirs.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Did the previous 43 presidents give us even a bread crumb of a doubt that they were not born in the US

They certainly didn't give you any doubt. I wonder why.

Your doubt is personal, nothing more. Obama has made more effort to confirm his eligible, in particular to the public, than any other president before him. I certainly have never seen another presidents birth certificate (long or short form) other than Reagans' It certainly never came to my mind, neither have I seen any state officials having to confirm other presidents births. So, yes... I don't know exactly what your real issue is, but I could guess.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Aim64C
Obama's citizenship status is a fairly dicey one and probably falls outside of existing legal guidelines and precedents.

No it does not - try actually READING the memo from the Whitehouse - not the WND nonsense

Why dont people actually read links before jumping in posting nonsense???

Try reading my post, rather than jumping to conclusions.

Take my example in the post you took that quote from - where I have a baby on a U.S. military base in Korea. Now - let's say, for whatever reason, my wife were to go into labor and the baby were to be delivered in a Korean hospital. Technically - the child was not born in U.S. Territory - and while her and I both are U.S. Citizens - it complicates the issue.

Realistically - the child is a citizen of the U.S. - but lawyers love technicalities, and if my child were to, later, run for President - issues could arise if that detail was brought to light.

However, as many have speculated, the real issue with Obama's birth certificate is a racial one. He's not black, nor did he begin to identify with racial minorities (blacks and arabs) until he started getting involved in politics and found it to be a leveraging factor.

But that is my speculation. If it takes anything other than a look at Obama's character and political history to see why he does not belong in an executive seat - then you're lacking in judgment.

Lets go back to the WND article folks:

The analysis by the Congressional Research Service, a research arm of the U.S. Congress, openly admits no one in the federal government, including Congress, ever asked to see Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. It explains no one was required to do so.

Yep, apparently by Corsi's standards you must have a long form birthcertificate to be qualified as president. But yes yes yes, the absences of long form birth certificates of other presidents is irrelevant! Obama must show his!

It's called the WHITEhouse for a reason!

Reply to post by dereks

Really now?

First it was the DNC, then it was the Senate, now it is the states. Do you have proof?


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Reply to post by Southern Guardian

Yes, it is a personal doubt only, and that is why the issue is completely dead.



Answer the question, please.



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Reply to post by Southern Guardian

And race again.

Is it possible, for once, to talk about Obama without someone throwing up the race card every other post.

It is a last resort and low blow, when you have nothing to defend yourself with.

Man up and cut the slanderous crap.

Jeebus.


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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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Yes, it is a personal doubt only, and that is why the issue is completely dead.

And yet you keep on hitting the dead horse!

And race again.

Yes it is unfortunate.

Is it possible, for once, to talk about Obama without someone throwing up the race card every other post.

Well I tell ya what, why don't you yank out all the birth certificates of the pevious american presidents then I'll seriously consider Obama being ineligible, until then I see no evidence how Obama is any different to any other president in the vetting process.

I remember there was one member on this forum that make the effort enough to provide me a link to the birth certificate of president Bush to somehow reinforce his argument. It was a Texan birth certificate... but hey atleast he tried.

The investigation committee is going to sort this out in quick fashion, hopefully.

Honestly, do the details not make your eyebrows raise just a tad? The fact that Pelosi alone vetted him, then was appointed Speaker? Put aside the fact that this issue has been beaten to death. Clear your mind of everything but that one fact. It at least needs to be looked into. It really doesn't pass the smell test.

Every post from a birther should immediately be followed by this:

The constitutional history and relevant case law thus indicate that one born "in" the United States, and subject to its jurisdiction, that is, when one's parents are not official diplomatic personnel representing a foreign nation in the U.S., would be considered a U.S. citizen "at birth" or "by birth," and thus a "natural born Citizen" of the United States, regardless of the citizenship status of the individual's parents.

From the congressional memo, essentially indicating that they accept him as being born in the United States, thus making him 'natural born.' The only authority that is being recognized by the federal governmnet is the state of Hawaii, which has time and time again indicated the president was born in Hawaii. Until you get the state of Hawaii to say, "No, we were wrong." You will lose every argument because you ignore the facts presented. Go ahead, keep making threads. Keep spending money at wnd.com. Do it until you die, it won't change the facts.