Freemasonry, secret or not?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
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So if the Masonic belief is that all men are created equal, how come you keep secrets from us?

we don't. Use Goggle.

Also, how come women cannot join the fraternity?

same reason I can't join a soroity

Are women created equal also or you forgot about that equation.

They are more than equal in the OES, and at home.

Im not from the states, im ok there.
The truth is, no matter how hard yo try in here to convince the members in here, in real life, things are different.

only when jaded by hate. One day you might see that.

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Ok yes I have to agree with you, it's jaded with hate everything you find out there when searching for truths, I will give you that. But it is because of the secrecy that all that stuff is flying around, you mut agree there.
Maybe, who knows, maybe I will change my views.
At the moment, I cant see that happening.

I gotta hand it down to network dude here, he speaks words of wisdom from the Masonic community, all I gotta say is if you're all that interested in Masonry... join it

The freemasons were a secret society up until 1991 when the internet turned on. Since then they've been becoming less and less secret.

Most people don't realize that we've only really known about them for 20 years. Before that anyone who brought it up was dismissed as a kook.

They have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years, plenty of time to get their hands on everything.

Originally posted by thekeyfinder
The freemasons were a secret society up until 1991 when the internet turned on. Since then they've been becoming less and less secret.

Most people don't realize that we've only really known about them for 20 years. Before that anyone who brought it up was dismissed as a kook.

Nonsense. Duncan's Ritual was published in 1861, 130 years before the web.

The Morgan affair was in 1826, 35 years before that. That certainly got some press... in fact, it spawned an entire Anti-Masonic political party in 1828. Think Tea Party movement almost 200 years ago...

The secrets have been public for far longer than you give credit, and we haven't been hiding... In 1958 there were more than 4 million Freemasons in the United States. If I'm doing my math right, that means one in 25 men in the US in 1958 was a Mason.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by thekeyfinder
The freemasons were a secret society up until 1991 when the internet turned on. Since then they've been becoming less and less secret.

Most people don't realize that we've only really known about them for 20 years. Before that anyone who brought it up was dismissed as a kook.

Nonsense. Duncan's Ritual was published in 1861, 130 years before the web.

The Morgan affair was in 1826, 35 years before that. That certainly got some press... in fact, it spawned an entire Anti-Masonic political party in 1828. Think Tea Party movement almost 200 years ago...

The secrets have been public for far longer than you give credit, and we haven't been hiding... In 1958 there were more than 4 million Freemasons in the United States. If I'm doing my math right, that means one in 25 men in the US in 1958 was a Mason.

Well there you go, if in 1958 there were more than 4 million freemasons in the US, how many now?
lol
What you guys trying to do, take over the world?
Havent you just said it?
If one in twenty five men in the US in 1958 were freemasons, then that there is a conspiracy in itself.
Monopoly?
So many things can be taken from what you just said.
Look the freemasons I know are secretive. So youre talking right out of your arse, Josh, sorry for the vileness.
The only freemasons I know that are spilling the beans, are you freemasons on this site, if you are freemasons that is, and that is how I know that most of the stuff you try and make us believe is BS.
Either where you come from, you are a very small masonic community or you have been and been lied to, wouldnt surprise me, considering when you enter you are told that all forms of religion are masonry, lol.
Welcome to the world. Your best friend is your best friend all your life, until he shags your wife.
In the most corrupted secret society there is, dont you think there will be liars?
Havent you sat down and thought very hard about that maybe, just maybe, you are been taken for a ride, just another pawn on the chess board, infront of the royal elite, taking the blows.....
Whilst of cos, your true masters, dont even know who the hell you are lol
They sip tea in golden cups.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Well there you go, if in 1958 there were more than 4 million freemasons in the US, how many now?

How many now? 1.4 million, and with the US population increase, it drops our average down to about 1 in 100 men. The generation coming up in the 60's weren't joiners.

What you guys trying to do, take over the world?

Nope. We had it, but we lost it. Nobody can support charity when they're trying to feed themselves and keep a roof over their own heads. Nobody today wants a fraternal bond, when they can just kick back at their computer and play video games.

If one in twenty five men in the US in 1958 were freemasons, then that there is a conspiracy in itself.

Or proof that the younger generations today make a big deal out of nothing. We're simply not as mysterious as conspiracy theorists today would have you believe.

Either where you come from, you are a very small masonic community or you have been and been lied to, wouldnt surprise me, considering when you enter you are told that all forms of religion are masonry, lol.

Well, considering there are about 30 regular lodges within my city limits, and almost 50 in my county, I'd say our numbers are pretty good. But who's lying about what? We're not told all forms of religion are masonry. There's a lie right there, coming straight from you.

Originally posted by thekeyfinder
The freemasons were a secret society up until 1991 when the internet turned on. Since then they've been becoming less and less secret.

Most people don't realize that we've only really known about them for 20 years. Before that anyone who brought it up was dismissed as a kook.

They have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years, plenty of time to get their hands on everything.

You should read up about the Morgan Affair. He was arrested for an outstanding debt of $1.20. He was then lured by a brother Mason offering to pay the debt, and was kidnapped. Masons at every level tried to cover up the crime, from policemen to judges. Many men got away with it. The Masons who were arrested were all low-level, and their stories didn't square up. Now, nobody knows for sure what happened to William Morgan. Masonic membership resurged with their whole charity spiel, as well as with the Civil War. Many Masons claimed to be abolitionists, but wouldn't touch a slave with a 10-foot pole.

The first conspiracy theories about Freemasonry actually come from Catholic priests. John Robison published his Proofs of a Conspiracy in 1798. Charles G. Finney and R. A. Torrey wrote extensively about them in the 1800's. Even George Washington warned about the Freemasons and the Jacobins in his letters.

Conspiracy theory was actually mainstream history that was taught in schools until the JFK assasination. It became big during the 1970's counter-culture movement, when the secret societies readily represented themselves as the power behind the establishment.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
. It became big during the 1970's counter-culture movement, when the secret societies readily represented themselves as the power behind the establishment.

wait, what? when did this happen?

I love to learn new things, please let me know where I can find this historical evidence.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Even George Washington warned about the Freemasons and the Jacobins in his letters.

Not quite. He warned about the Bavarian Illuminati and the Jacobins. I've never read a Washington letter where he dismissed Freemasonry. I believe the letter you're referring to reads

Reverend, Sir, it was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati — the principles of Jacobinism — had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation).

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I think this letter extends further and talks about the Freemasons from New York, unless it's a different letter.



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you couldnt be anymore right dr cosma. pretty much all the 'masons' on this site are just claiming to be masons, nobody will ever know if they in fact are 'masons' in real life. they dont know whats going on in the capstone of the pyramid theyre taking hundreds of years to climb.

it gets downright ridiculous when it comes to the things they try to make us believe. it astounds me how they still think they can make the world think a certain way about the most vile secretive organization on the face of the earth lol.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
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you couldnt be anymore right dr cosma. pretty much all the 'masons' on this site are just claiming to be masons, nobody will ever know if they in fact are 'masons' in real life.

they dont know whats going on in the capstone of the pyramid theyre taking hundreds of years to climb.

ah yes, but you do.

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no, but I will check it out. Thanks for pointing to it.

which secret society claimed they were behind the curtain? How did they proclaim this?

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
you couldnt be anymore right dr cosma. pretty much all the 'masons' on this site are just claiming to be masons, nobody will ever know if they in fact are 'masons' in real life.

If you ever make it to the New York City area send me a private message and I will take you to my lodge.

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why ever in sam-hell would i want to do that? so you can sacrifice me to baphomet personally? i appreciate the offer but no thanks, im sure you wouldnt allow me access to the library where you guys have archives of books no ones ever seen?

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
im sure you wouldnt allow me access to the library where you guys have archives of books no ones ever seen?

Knock yourself out!

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
why ever in sam-hell would i want to do that? so you can sacrifice me to baphomet personally? i appreciate the offer but no thanks, im sure you wouldnt allow me access to the library where you guys have archives of books no ones ever seen?

The library would be included in any tour. You can read anything you want as long as the books remain in the lodge.

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A lot of the knowledge you are looking for can be found in most large retail bookstores. They don't have title's like "Here are all the answers" or "What you really wanted to know..........." and it is not all in one book, It is in bits and pieces in books here and there.

The secrets you are looking for really are there. Once you understand the nature of their secrets you notice that the world you live in is saturated with them. You don't see it because you don't even comprehend it happening around you when it does.

Another thing, by itself, it is not evil..........it just is. It is the way it is used that makes it good or evil.