Project Bluebeam is a HOAX.

reply to post by FireMoon


The point that i was trying to make with my previous post is that, it seems that CIA was interested in that kind of Technology for their own reasons. Because if there was no interest at all, they would not even bother to make a 2 page report.

Sure the OP asks us that we should provide him with evidence. In my opinion is pointless. The true point is that there are indications from the resources available, that you can conclude that project Blue-beam does exists. And that is the only thing that we can do. Providing only indications.

And i do not think if someone would have such information, he/she would post it in the internet.

I think that with all the evidence that has been provided in this thread that if bob bluebeam were in court hed be convicted

www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">www.abovetopsecret.com...

seems to be lots of stuff on bluebeam goin on on ATS lately

At the OP.

Have you started at godlikeproductions also the same thread or is it from some one else???

here is the link : Project Bluebeam is Hoax

reply to post by Seed76


Im sure it is, quotes are the same as is the core argument. hmmmmm

Makes you wonder eh?

respects and well noted.

project bluebeam is a hoax

reply to post by captiva


That is the reason. It really makes me wonder what is the point??

Anyway i came random to the link that i posted, as i was doing a little more research on the subject, and i thought to ask.

reply to post by Visiting ESB


I NOW HAVE DAMN NEAR TO PROOF AND WILL POST SHORTLY



For Your Eyes
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by envmod
project bluebeam is a hoax

can you share with us, as why you claim that "Project Blue-beam" is a Hoax?

Originally posted by captiva
reply to post by Seed76

 

Im sure it is, quotes are the same as is the core argument. hmmmmm

Makes you wonder eh?

respects and well noted.

Makes you wonder about what? Your research skills? So, the post is on the same topic, same arguments etc. And your point is...? I want to make sure as many know that this fraud, Project Bluebeam, is just that, a fraud, as possible. It makes no difference if I post elsewhere. Obviously, you frequent other forums as well.

Originally posted by Seed76

Originally posted by envmod
project bluebeam is a hoax

can you share with us, as why you claim that "Project Blue-beam" is a Hoax?

The intensity of your belief in the hoax, Project Bluebeam, is really sad. What makes it so pathetic is that the whole idea was stolen from Star Trek. Science Fiction. Do you understand how ridiculous the whole idea sounds now? It is incredible how Mr. Monast, a Christian and a fraud himself, was able to make this fantasy a reality in the minds of so many. Perhaps Monast thought that, somehow, the creator of Star Trek was sending a message to us that this technology is now in existence and the plan is to perform a massive deception as portrayed in the Star Trek episode. If so, then he was more mentally ill than intentionally deceptive. Somehow, I doubt that, given the propensity for lies religious fanatics show. And now the true believers in this fantasy fight tooth and nail to support it. Yet, they can't provide a single shred of evidence of any kind to support their imaginary tale. You have all failed, thus far, to prove this exists. "Oh, but it's classified and we can't get that documentation." BS -- there has to be some credible source, that can back up this fable. Otherwise, ON WHAT ARE YOU BASING YOUR BELIEF? But there's the problem. Although nothing can back it up, it's spouted as though it is real.

How many times must it be repeated that simply because technology may exist to create parts of the project, you can't say that the project therefore exists?

Originally posted by ICbluebeam
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

I NOW HAVE DAMN NEAR TO PROOF AND WILL POST SHORTLY

For Your Eyes
www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 8-11-2010 by ICbluebeam because: TAKE a LOOK

You've got to be kidding. It's a joke, right? I mean, the link to your thread...Your thread, and the linked article, says nothing about Bluebeam. Even posters there point this out. And that's "proof"?

"Project Bluebeam is a HOAX"

First time I've seen a thread where the OP is right regardless of the debate..

He is argueing that the whole project is a hoax and is not going to happen.

The conspiricists argue that it is a project designed to create an allusion of a believable alien attack, ie: a hoax!!

Brilliant thread title.. win/win

reply to post by Visiting ESB


First the question was not meant for you to answer, as it was meant for the poster to back up his claim, if you have not noticed. Second i never claimed to believe in Project Blue-Beam. I simply stated on my previous posts, that i keep a possibility open, based on the indications that are out there, in concern of the matter.

The intensity of your belief in the hoax, Project Bluebeam, is really sad.

And who are you to judge other persons, as what they believe????

Also why the persons who are posting here, must provide you with proof that Project Blue-beam exist??? You know very well that they can not provide you official documents. They can provide you only with proof to back up their claims.

I have back up my claim to keep a possibility open based on these resources :

1. Link
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5. Link

I think it has to be taken into account the following.

The culture of conspiracies was and probably still is, pretty much dominated by those shall we say liberal in their thinking. By the early 80s the Christians et al had begun to realise that, in particular the younger generation, world wide, were increasingly becoming wise to the spin they were being fed by governments of all persuasions on any number of subjects. Now that might be seen a purely cynical but it was a rod created by the governments themselves in many instances. In short the Christians wanted in on the conspiracy field in an attempt to to make themselves look *cool*..Hey kids we have rock bands and conspiracies we aren't the same place your folks went to etc etc etc..

When you look at the claims made for Blue Beam it's just too damn pat, just too damn convenient and in the end betrays a casually ethno centric core that makes it faintly ridiculous. How does blue beam impact on Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists? ..Ahhh, it doesn't really does it? let's not forget this was touted as ready to go 27 years ago and we still haven't seen anything that remotely looks like it being used in action since then.

I'm sorry, but the only conspiracy i see here is one by a small bunch of Christians to try and jump the UFO bandwagon for their own political reasons and try and convince people that aliens = demons. You have to admit the problem that lies at the root of the religion is that it is based on martyrdom by a willing participant, so it adherents are often prone to attempt to emulate that or, wrap themselves sin that mantle. The guy broke the law, was very public in his breaking of it and then cries foul when the authorities act?

Those who seek to hang on to the coat tails of Ufology forget one simple thing. What makes the UFO field so interesting is partly that . It contains testimony from so many perfectly "normal" people whose lives were suddenly interrupted by some incident. People who, have paid their taxes, done their bit quietly for many years who, report something and then receive phone calls telling them to *shut up*, often in a very brusque manner they saw as both insulting and intimidating for no reason.

I have no doubt, if this sort of technology existed, the military would eye it, as would the security services, for their own ends. As yet though and most certainly back in 83 the technical issues far outweigh the practical applications.. It's the same problem i have with the Nazi UFOs. People point to a large power plant and some documents that suggest they might have levitated an object a few feet and extrapolate that to hundreds of these objects flying around at thousands of feet in the air. Likewise with Blue beam you can't simply say it might exist therefore it does without taking into account that, as of now, it requires huge bulky equipment to achieve its' ends.

I'd ask this question. What is more likely, to attempt to build a fleet of 747s that can shoot down ICBMs from the air using lasers, or paint pictures in the sky with them? With Blue Beam we have no paper trail of genuine documents past a general appraisal, no whistle blowers, no-one who worked on the project and saw.... All we have is a fundamentalist old fashioned hell fire and brimstone type who was, In my humble opinion, trying to jump the UFO bandwagon for their own political purpose.

Originally posted by FireMoon
I think it has to be taken into account the following.

The culture of conspiracies was and probably still is, pretty much dominated by those shall we say liberal in their thinking. By the early 80s the Christians et al had begun to realise that, in particular the younger generation, world wide, were increasingly becoming wise to the spin they were being fed by governments of all persuasions on any number of subjects. Now that might be seen a purely cynical but it was a rod created by the governments themselves in many instances. In short the Christians wanted in on the conspiracy field in an attempt to to make themselves look *cool*..Hey kids we have rock bands and conspiracies we aren't the same place your folks went to etc etc etc..

When you look at the claims made for Blue Beam it's just too damn pat, just too damn convenient and in the end betrays a casually ethno centric core that makes it faintly ridiculous. How does blue beam impact on Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists? ..Ahhh, it doesn't really does it? let's not forget this was touted as ready to go 27 years ago and we still haven't seen anything that remotely looks like it being used in action since then.

I'm sorry, but the only conspiracy i see here is one by a small bunch of Christians to try and jump the UFO bandwagon for their own political reasons and try and convince people that aliens = demons. You have to admit the problem that lies at the root of the religion is that it is based on martyrdom by a willing participant, so it adherents are often prone to attempt to emulate that or, wrap themselves sin that mantle. The guy broke the law, was very public in his breaking of it and then cries foul when the authorities act?

Those who seek to hang on to the coat tails of Ufology forget one simple thing. What makes the UFO field so interesting is partly that . It contains testimony from so many perfectly "normal" people whose lives were suddenly interrupted by some incident. People who, have paid their taxes, done their bit quietly for many years who, report something and then receive phone calls telling them to *shut up*, often in a very brusque manner they saw as both insulting and intimidating for no reason.

I have no doubt, if this sort of technology existed, the military would eye it, as would the security services, for their own ends. As yet though and most certainly back in 83 the technical issues far outweigh the practical applications.. It's the same problem i have with the Nazi UFOs. People point to a large power plant and some documents that suggest they might have levitated an object a few feet and extrapolate that to hundreds of these objects flying around at thousands of feet in the air. Likewise with Blue beam you can't simply say it might exist therefore it does without taking into account that, as of now, it requires huge bulky equipment to achieve its' ends.

I'd ask this question. What is more likely, to attempt to build a fleet of 747s that can shoot down ICBMs from the air using lasers, or paint pictures in the sky with them? With Blue Beam we have no paper trail of genuine documents past a general appraisal, no whistle blowers, no-one who worked on the project and saw.... All we have is a fundamentalist old fashioned hell fire and brimstone type who was, In my humble opinion, trying to jump the UFO bandwagon for their own political purpose.

How can I say "bingo" in more than one line?

How about I follow it up with "thank you", FireMoon...

reply to post by Visiting ESB


Ive waited hoping you would give me some evidence to back up your claim, but on seeing the research and argument you put forward to support your statement that " project Blue Beam" is a hoax I have to agree with others that there is none.

I am left with the impression that your a UFO believer who sees the project as a threat to your core beliefs. Perhaps you should have spent the typing time in creating a thread to support your belief instead of half heartedly trying to debunk something that cant be debunked. There is no evidence that you can present to support your "Hoax" thread, it is all heresay and opinion, whereas those that have researched Blue Beam have at least proven that the technology is there, it is not an " Impossible" proposition at this time and that there are videos showing examples of what can be done by civilian companies etc...so what can you imagine the military can do?

Before you come back at me with prove it, Im not doing your research for you if you want to see mine go to the thread here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

There are many conspiracy theories out there.
Some are true.
From your posts it is apparent you believe Project Bluebeam is possible based on current technology.
So all you are really debating is whether it is an actual plan by some agency or not..
Therefore the only proof that would convince you is a copy of the plan which. if exists, would obviously be "Top Secret".

So I don't know what you are really asking....

I don't believe it is possible. I believe aspects of it are possible. If a "top secret" document got into the hands of a ranting fundamentalist Christian, I'd like to know many more details of how that came about.

Originally posted by captiva
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

Ive waited hoping you would give me some evidence to back up your claim, but on seeing the research and argument you put forward to support your statement that " project Blue Beam" is a hoax I have to agree with others that there is none.

I am left with the impression that your a UFO believer who sees the project as a threat to your core beliefs. Perhaps you should have spent the typing time in creating a thread to support your belief instead of half heartedly trying to debunk something that cant be debunked. There is no evidence that you can present to support your "Hoax" thread, it is all heresay and opinion, whereas those that have researched Blue Beam have at least proven that the technology is there, it is not an " Impossible" proposition at this time and that there are videos showing examples of what can be done by civilian companies etc...so what can you imagine the military can do?

Before you come back at me with prove it, Im not doing your research for you if you want to see mine go to the thread here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 9-11-2010 by captiva because: (no reason given)

It doesn't work that way. Project BB believers ramble on about what they "know" to be true. THEY made the claim and therefore, should back up their claim. I am asking for that proof. I don't need to prove the negative. Your attempt is so incredibly childish I often feel I'm dealing with pre-teens. Again, I don't have to prove my disbelief in the myth. You, and people like you, should prove your little Christian martyrdom fantasy or remain quiet. You won't do your research because you know there is NOTHING to back up your silly claim.

.It's about time somebody makes a thread about this SILLY conspiracy. Those damn Christians making the spook our of possible alien visitors is proof that Christianity is fragile and made for control. They simply use fear tactics to get people to look away from the possible truth. Typical Christian propaganda. The thing is, on YouTube Blue Beam has more credibility than any other conspiracy. Look for any video out there and almost all will say the "its Blue Beam" comment.

Christians and the boogeyman, they will create one every time. To them, everything strange is Satan’s doing. LOL