Can worshipping demons get you powers?

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Possibly.

But don't think if you just start praying to Ose that you'll be able to shapeshift. Every person enters into some occult practice with that mindset. It never (well seldom at most) works like that.

I personally do not know much about demonolatry, but ceremonial magick has extensive documentation (especially in grimoires like the Lesser Key of Solomon) on goetic evocations and working with demons in that way. More along the lines of commanding them in that paradigm, but you could branch off and do your own thing. It is a personal type of "science."

Originally posted by RimDaas
I was reading this boook and they were talknig about people with paranormal powers. These people were idol and animal worshippers. Idol worshipping is one of the biggest sins in my opinion, and satan, enjoys people going atray. Is he giving the power?

I cultivate in Falun Dafa and my understanding is that you can obtain some petty supernormal abilities by incurring spirit/animal possession and hence accumulating massive karma. Karma laso has powers but nothing like virtue and Gong(high energy matter).

Do not do it, whatever you do it is very dangerous and detrimental to your future.

The people who boast about such things are pitiful, a powerful cultivator of truthfulness-compassion-forbearance is infinely more pwoerful. Of course he can not show them or he would loose hem immediately. HUman society may not be disturbed like that.

Originally posted by Gaussq

Originally posted by RimDaas
I was reading this boook and they were talknig about people with paranormal powers. These people were idol and animal worshippers. Idol worshipping is one of the biggest sins in my opinion, and satan, enjoys people going atray. Is he giving the power?

I cultivate in Falun Dafa and my understanding is that you can obtain some petty supernormal abilities by incurring spirit/animal possession and hence accumulating massive karma. Karma laso has powers but nothing like virtue and Gong(high energy matter).

Do not do it, whatever you do it is very dangerous and detrimental to your future.

The people who boast about such things are pitiful, a powerful cultivator of truthfulness-compassion-forbearance is infinely more pwoerful. Of course he can not show them or he would loose hem immediately. HUman society may not be disturbed like that.

Noone can posses you. If something posses you, then you're soul is left without body and might nnever comeback to you're body. It is impossible for 2 subconscious to be in one body in same time. Thats why, when you do astral projection you can't enter other bodys.


NOONE CAN GRANT YOU POWERS! It is simply impossible! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GIVES YOURSELF POWERS. When you humans will understand that?

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

Noone can posses you. If something posses you, then you're soul is left without body and might nnever comeback to you're body. It is impossible for 2 subconscious to be in one body in same time. Thats why, when you do astral projection you can't enter other bodys.

I disagree and I know a lot who AP who would as well.

If possession wasn't possible then mediumship, invocation, and other accounts of possession ("demonic" or otherwise) wouldn't exist.

And as far as I know, you can enter others' bodies APing. It's dependent on a lot of factors though and isn't something I would associate with the casual APer. Except I usually hear about it consensually where it can be known as "soul transference" though I don't think it involves the soul at all.

In fact I think that there is a split between mind/spirit that allows consciousness to shift between bodies without exactly meaning the soul has left. Perhaps a multilayered approach like with an astral double in one body and deeper levels in the former one as opposed to a singular soul transfer.

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

Originally posted by Gaussq

Originally posted by RimDaas
I was reading this boook and they were talknig about people with paranormal powers. These people were idol and animal worshippers. Idol worshipping is one of the biggest sins in my opinion, and satan, enjoys people going atray. Is he giving the power?

I cultivate in Falun Dafa and my understanding is that you can obtain some petty supernormal abilities by incurring spirit/animal possession and hence accumulating massive karma. Karma laso has powers but nothing like virtue and Gong(high energy matter).

Do not do it, whatever you do it is very dangerous and detrimental to your future.

The people who boast about such things are pitiful, a powerful cultivator of truthfulness-compassion-forbearance is infinely more pwoerful. Of course he can not show them or he would loose hem immediately. HUman society may not be disturbed like that.

Noone can posses you. If something posses you, then you're soul is left without body and might nnever comeback to you're body. It is impossible for 2 subconscious to be in one body in same time. Thats why, when you do astral projection you can't enter other bodys.


NOONE CAN GRANT YOU POWERS! It is simply impossible! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GIVES YOURSELF POWERS. When you humans will understand that?

My personal understanding at my wisdom level(it has nothing to do with real Falun Dafa teachings).

To gain one must loose. So if you receive powers without having done the right effort, you will loose something in return.

Ie a fake Qi Gong Master heals diseases for other people, it really happens oftentimes and he really can heal some diseases. In fact the animal of the other dimension heals the disease for him with the animal´s own Gong power. In return the animal takes his single portion of the human essence. It is a trade becasue the animal needs the human essence to be able to cultivate a human body of another dimension. The sad thing is that the Qi Gong Master does not know it and he thinks he is great. After a time when he has lost all his essences the animal leaves him and he will loose all energy and his four limbs will be very weak.

In the worst case the animal can go in and kill your main spirit and then you are dead and your body is an incarnated demon. It is terrible.

Originally posted by RimDaas
Can worshipping demons get you powers?

Sure. Energy = power. Dark energy = dark power. Dark powers for while in the human body.

BUT .. when you leave your body you'll find that the universe works on lighter energy so all that dark energy you gained will be useless in the (much longer) world to come.

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My answer to you would be yes. Yes, it can give you power - but only from the people who may willingly give you it. And that psychological power you have over someone, you can use it to do seemingly amazing things.

For example, if I target a vulnerable person, who may not be as smart as me, or is depressed, or has beliefs in God - I could let them know I have a pact with the Devil - If they believe in that kind of thing, they may fear me. They may tip toe around me - if they think I'm "evil" I could have a "power" over them. They can be manipulated.

Can I fly? No.

Psychological power over someone/people is the greatest power you could want.

Originally posted by anonymousanonymous
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My answer to you would be yes. Yes, it can give you power - but only from the people who may willingly give you it. And that psychological power you have over someone, you can use it to do seemingly amazing things.

For example, if I target a vulnerable person, who may not be as smart as me, or is depressed, or has beliefs in God - I could let them know I have a pact with the Devil - If they believe in that kind of thing, they may fear me. They may tip toe around me - if they think I'm "evil" I could have a "power" over them. They can be manipulated.

Can I fly? No.

Psychological power over someone/people is the greatest power you could want.

I would say that it is not a good intent to control and manipulate other people. Should human beings not have a heart of compassion? With a demonic heart one is heading for a rough future.

Originally posted by Evanescence

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

Noone can posses you. If something posses you, then you're soul is left without body and might nnever comeback to you're body. It is impossible for 2 subconscious to be in one body in same time. Thats why, when you do astral projection you can't enter other bodys.

I disagree and I know a lot who AP who would as well.

If possession wasn't possible then mediumship, invocation, and other accounts of possession ("demonic" or otherwise) wouldn't exist.

And as far as I know, you can enter others' bodies APing. It's dependent on a lot of factors though and isn't something I would associate with the casual APer. Except I usually hear about it consensually where it can be known as "soul transference" though I don't think it involves the soul at all.

In fact I think that there is a split between mind/spirit that allows consciousness to shift between bodies without exactly meaning the soul has left. Perhaps a multilayered approach like with an astral double in one body and deeper levels in the former one as opposed to a singular soul transfer.

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mediumship, invocation are possible. If something posses you, you're soul is pushed out of body. Why people can return to they're bodys after astral projection? Because body have "link" with original soul. If something posses you, you're spirit is pushed out. When they leaven you, you're spirit can come back and thats why it seams, that original spirit have never left the body.

Because possesor leaves you're body and you're spirit comes to you're body right after he left, there fordms illusion, as if you're spirit was in you're body all the time, but it was not.

When deamon posses body, it sometimes looks, like two spirits are fighting. It seams like one moment deamon is talking true body and in next moment original soul is talking and after few second again deamon is talking. It seams, as if both spirit are in body IN SAME TIME fighting for who will control, but no- It i only illusion. When someone perform AP he can come back to his body because of "bound" which is made when human borns and this bound is betwean original soul and body. Because of this bound, when original spirit is pushed out, bound forces him to come back to his original body, but he can't, because there allready is someone in body. I know, there was woman. Her bound with body was so great, taht when she died, this magnetic bound forced soul to come back in body. It means, that her bound was greater then gravity of sun, because all souls goes to ccore of sun after death because of suns gravity. You can call it heaven.

So bound forces you to come back to you're body, but there is no more room left for you. Thats why it seams, that one second deamon is talking and in next moment you- because there really are figh about who will control you're body, but I was correct- 2 souls can't posses one body because of LAWS OF PHYSIC. If you think otherwise, it only shows, that you don't know what is soul (scientific point of view.) Soul is subconscious. There can't be 2 subconscious in one body- it is simply against laws of nature. Subconscious is electricity (electrons).

If you take 2 souls and put them together it is same as if you woud take electricity from 2 diferent batterys and put them together. So what do you get at the end? Both electricitys from diferent batterys mix together. Same with souls. If you put together 2 different souls, then they mix together. Thats why there is god. It is simply mix of all "dead" souls. Thats why there is reicarnation. Thats why youre next reicarnated personality is diferent then youre current personality, because soul mixes after death. Thats why there is karma. (((((Soul = electricity= subconscious is key to all questions you coud ask me))))) If deamon woud posses you and you're spirit woud not be pushed out, you woud mix with deamon lol

Originally posted by Gaussq

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

Originally posted by Gaussq

Originally posted by RimDaas
I was reading this boook and they were talknig about people with paranormal powers. These people were idol and animal worshippers. Idol worshipping is one of the biggest sins in my opinion, and satan, enjoys people going atray. Is he giving the power?

I cultivate in Falun Dafa and my understanding is that you can obtain some petty supernormal abilities by incurring spirit/animal possession and hence accumulating massive karma. Karma laso has powers but nothing like virtue and Gong(high energy matter).

Do not do it, whatever you do it is very dangerous and detrimental to your future.

The people who boast about such things are pitiful, a powerful cultivator of truthfulness-compassion-forbearance is infinely more pwoerful. Of course he can not show them or he would loose hem immediately. HUman society may not be disturbed like that.

Noone can posses you. If something posses you, then you're soul is left without body and might nnever comeback to you're body. It is impossible for 2 subconscious to be in one body in same time. Thats why, when you do astral projection you can't enter other bodys.


NOONE CAN GRANT YOU POWERS! It is simply impossible! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GIVES YOURSELF POWERS. When you humans will understand that?

My personal understanding at my wisdom level(it has nothing to do with real Falun Dafa teachings).

To gain one must loose. So if you receive powers without having done the right effort, you will loose something in return.

Ie a fake Qi Gong Master heals diseases for other people, it really happens oftentimes and he really can heal some diseases. In fact the animal of the other dimension heals the disease for him with the animal´s own Gong power. In return the animal takes his single portion of the human essence. It is a trade becasue the animal needs the human essence to be able to cultivate a human body of another dimension. The sad thing is that the Qi Gong Master does not know it and he thinks he is great. After a time when he has lost all his essences the animal leaves him and he will loose all energy and his four limbs will be very weak.

In the worst case the animal can go in and kill your main spirit and then you are dead and your body is an incarnated demon. It is terrible.

Qi is not fake lol. It is life force. Many people call this life force a SOUL! It is energy, made from electrons. Every atom have electrons moving around core, thats why every matter have soul and if everything have electrical charge, then it all is connected. Thats why you can gain higher knowledge via meditation. Thats why you really do heal, if you learn correct Chi control and Qi Gong is one way how to learn it.

I disagre with animal theory. First- Other dimensions can have diferent laws of physics, thats why animals don't exist in many of them. There is dimensions, where creatures look the way, we humans can't eaven imagine them.
Second- essences? With essences you mean soul? Soul is subconscious or Qi(Chi). Human can generate chi and subconscious. It is energy(electricity). You can't feed from soul till there is no soul left, because soul is generating all the time. You can only eat all the soul in one time, so body can't manage to generate it fast enought, till it's to late.
Third- °"kill your main spirit and then you are dead and your body is an incarnated demon" It is allso impossible. When body loose subconscious (soul) it dies, because body don't know how to make heart beat, how to breath and other things subconscious was controling. When it happens, it is impossible for any creatures to posses you're body because of our laws of physic. There is no zombies, because of same reason. If something is dead, it cant work. To move you need muscles, for muscles to work you need blood presure- it is simple physic. Body can't move on raw spiritual power (soul, chi).

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted
mediumship, invocation are possible. If something posses you, you're soul is pushed out of body. Why people can return to they're bodys after astral projection? Because body have "link" with original soul. If something posses you, you're spirit is pushed out. When they leaven you, you're spirit can come back and thats why it seams, that original spirit have never left the body.

Because possesor leaves you're body and you're spirit comes to you're body right after he left, there fordms illusion, as if you're spirit was in you're body all the time, but it was not.

That's nothing more than theory though and different magickal/spiritual/reality paradigms see it in different ways.

I personally don't believe one's soul leaves their body when they sleep or do drugs or are possessed or anything like that. If it is more than an illusion of the mind that is. Take APing for example. Most would argue you do that every time you sleep. I don't believe the soul leaves the body when one sleeps, if anything it is a shadow of consciousness that leaves. The fact that there are accounts of multiple consciousnesses in multiple places (an astral double and one remaining in the physical body...Robert Bruce discusses this somewhat) seems to indicate to me that the soul is either multilayered or what leaves is not formally the soul at all. Personally I think the soul is a far more intrinsic attribute at the highest of dimensional levels.

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted
So bound forces you to come back to you're body, but there is no more room left for you. Thats why it seams, that one second deamon is talking and in next moment you- because there really are figh about who will control you're body, but I was correct- 2 souls can't posses one body because of LAWS OF PHYSIC. If you think otherwise, it only shows, that you don't know what is soul (scientific point of view.) Soul is subconscious. There can't be 2 subconscious in one body- it is simply against laws of nature. Subconscious is electricity (electrons).

If you take 2 souls and put them together it is same as if you woud take electricity from 2 diferent batterys and put them together. So what do you get at the end? Both electricitys from diferent batterys mix together. Same with souls. If you put together 2 different souls, then they mix together. Thats why there is god. It is simply mix of all "dead" souls. Thats why there is reicarnation. Thats why youre next reicarnated personality is diferent then youre current personality, because soul mixes after death. Thats why there is karma. (((((Soul = electricity= subconscious is key to all questions you coud ask me))))) If deamon woud posses you and you're spirit woud not be pushed out, you woud mix with deamon lol

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Just to be clear, the academic science community has zero proof of a soul at all and if you heard otherwise it is not science.

Science still has A LOT of work left to do on the human brain, the mind-body problem, and the philosophy of mind in general. Consciousness is still elusive and there is much debate on the subject, but science in no way genuinely accepts the idea of a soul. Adding electromagnetism to the equation just reeks of trying to justify one's opinion with pseudoscience.

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"Deamons are not made by god. God is energy. Energy don't have brains- don't have conscious. Something, that don't have conscious can't think or feel emotions. It's that simple!...Fallen angels? Are you kiding me?"

Energy dont have brains......really?!!? Did Energy's old roomate tell you that? She was always so jealous that Energy got all the guys! Just so you know, your comments look equally stupid to me as mine apparently do to you. If energy "dont have brains or conscious" how do you explain Microsoft's Steve Ballmer???

www.youtube.com...

He proves you wrong. But hey, if you can make things happen with your brain sub-unconcious-conciousness energy waves, brain power me a cool 3 million US dollars.

Originally posted by Evanescence


Because possesor leaves you're body and you're spirit comes to you're body right after he left, there fordms illusion, as if you're spirit was in you're body all the time, but it was not.


That's nothing more than theory though and different magickal/spiritual/reality paradigms see it in different ways.

I personally don't believe one's soul leaves their body when they sleep or do drugs or are possessed or anything like that. If it is more than an illusion of the mind that is. Take APing for example. Most would argue you do that every time you sleep. I don't believe the soul leaves the body when one sleeps, if anything it is a shadow of consciousness that leaves. The fact that there are accounts of multiple consciousnesses in multiple places (an astral double and one remaining in the physical body...Robert Bruce discusses this somewhat) seems to indicate to me that the soul is either multilayered or what leaves is not formally the soul at all. Personally I think the soul is a far more intrinsic attribute at the highest of dimensional levels.


Just to be clear, the academic science community has zero proof of a soul at all and if you heard otherwise it is not science.

Science still has A LOT of work left to do on the human brain, the mind-body problem, and the philosophy of mind in general. Consciousness is still elusive and there is much debate on the subject, but science in no way genuinely accepts the idea of a soul. Adding electromagnetism to the equation just reeks of trying to justify one's opinion with pseudoscience.

You sed, that magickal/spiritual/reality paradigms see it in different ways. Well I am Eclectic. I study all major Philosophys aswell as Physics eaven Quantum Physics and Metaphysics. I allso have knowledge in Psychology and Occultism. I know allmost all diferent point of views about what is soul, heaven, god etc and I have come up with answer. Only when human will study all point of views, eaven religion point of view aswell as science point of view, he will be able to create combine versions. I call this thoery "Theory Of Everything" since it explains, everything. starting whit what is god, heven etc and ending with why we are here.

Well I agree with you. Soul are subconscious. It controls our heart beat. It makes us breath, when we sleep etc. All instincts come from subconscious. If body woud be left without soul, you woud die. Because soul is same as subconscious what is same as life force, you're body can generate more of this life force. It is allso called Chi in asia. People generate more soul(chi) every day, when they meditate. It means, that I allso agree with you, where you sed, that soul multilayes. Body simply can't be left without subconscious, because you're heart woud stop beating right in that moment.

Don't forget, that sooner or later, sience will explain everything.. Yes, my theory don't have proofes, but it is theory. Theory don't need to have proofs and I amm 100% sure that my theory is right, because peoeple can't really proove me wrong or atleast explain why my theory woud not work. If you can, then please go ahead, I will give arguments to you.

Well sleeping is called "unconscious" so I again agree with you- it coud be conscious that leaves when you sleep, but because soul is energy and it coud be generated more, it simply can multiply.

I have one locked inside my closet, should i ask him?

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

You sed, that magickal/spiritual/reality paradigms see it in different ways. Well I am Eclectic. I study all major Philosophys aswell as Physics eaven Quantum Physics and Metaphysics. I allso have knowledge in Psychology and Occultism. I know allmost all diferent point of views about what is soul, heaven, god etc and I have come up with answer. Only when human will study all point of views, eaven religion point of view aswell as science point of view, he will be able to create combine versions. I call this thoery "Theory Of Everything" since it explains, everything. starting whit what is god, heven etc and ending with why we are here.

I'm an eclectic pagan though I study a lot of world religions and fields as well.

I wouldn't presume to know everything though...or anything for that matter. I imagine there are people who do know the truth, but those people are the very few and beyond even the greatest of logical minds and most disciplined minds on this planet. For now I have to go with what I think makes sense.

"One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing."
-Socrates

Originally posted by MentallyUnrestricted

Well I agree with you. Soul are subconscious. It controls our heart beat. It makes us breath, when we sleep etc. All instincts come from subconscious. If body woud be left without soul, you woud die. Because soul is same as subconscious what is same as life force, you're body can generate more of this life force. It is allso called Chi in asia. People generate more soul(chi) every day, when they meditate. It means, that I allso agree with you, where you sed, that soul multilayes. Body simply can't be left without subconscious, because you're heart woud stop beating right in that moment.

Don't forget, that sooner or later, sience will explain everything.. Yes, my theory don't have proofes, but it is theory. Theory don't need to have proofs and I amm 100% sure that my theory is right, because peoeple can't really proove me wrong or atleast explain why my theory woud not work. If you can, then please go ahead, I will give arguments to you.

One should not engage in the reverse scientific method, even for theories of unproved concepts. Looking for support for your paradigm and being 100% sure it is right only is not a good way to go about living as it precludes you from experiencing opportunities where you might be exposed to new knowledge.

I agree that the body is always left with something though. But science-wise, I do believe we could clone a human being and that the human could live being made from science. Does that mean no soul exists? I don't know, it's a complicated philosophical question.

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A fake Qi Gong Master is someone who is possessed by a demon and gets his powers from the demon.
A genuine Master must cultivate arduously for decades to evolve his true powers.

If he heals a patient completely he will trade his Gong against the karma of the patient he treats.

Everything is logical and makes sense. Nothing is hazardous and no everyday person can make a complete theory of the universe.

I urge everyone who wants to learn real truth to read the book Zhuan Falun:

www.falundafa.org...

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Ditto what he said. There is no such thing as demons, ergo no one is getting powers from demons.

As someone else said the next person you show me with powers is the first.

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SMH @ Lucifer and satan being the same... I dont think so. Are Enki and Enlil the same??

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