Aztecnology = Biotechnology

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Talk about your cultural divide. Guys in metal skin with muskets and steel swords meet guys wearing feathers with bits of glassy rock in the edges of their clubs. But such feathers! Such color and softness. A dazzling array of colors in fact. The conquistadors must have felt like black and white movie actors suddenly in a technicolor film. It was all too real to be real. Hyper real.

Here we have the most technologically advanced engineering in the world faced with, what they think, are the most savage people in the world. But now we can look back with the benefit of a longer perspective offered by centuries gone by. What do they really encounter.


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Last century it was said that 80% of the medicine in the world came from the Yucatan peninsula.


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All the exotic tropical birds, seem to come from the Americas.
It was reported that the Aztec empire had 26 square miles of aviaries where colorful birds were bred.

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The largest birds in the world used to live in the Andes.


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What had the Europeans to offer in the way of biotech? Horses evolved for war, and diseases.


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Is it possible that the colorful birds are evidence of native Indian biotech? Selective breeding for generations until the resplendent quetzal is one of their greatest achievements. The macaw, the cockatoo, the enormous condors. Even their selection of dyes seemed to outstrip the Europeans, as colorful threads and garments were everywhere.

Is it possible that the Aztecs thought the conquistadors were primitive savages who had no understanding of the earth, just like the conquistadors thought the Aztecs had no understanding of justice.

So were the Aztecs wrong. Were they at fault? Why did they loose.
I have a theory that they were guilty of something, that they changed their ancient traditions to their own detriment, and If you will allow me too I would like to show you how. To do this requires that I make the conclusion that the Aztec Calendar stone had been changed, slightly. I intend to show what that original calendar was, and what it represented.


They Aztec Calendar stone is taken from the Maya Calendar. Before either of them there are the Olmecs. A shadowy forgotten group who may have originated the calendar. So let's start with the Aztecs and work backwards.

20 day signs around
four sun signs around
the heart of the calendar our current sun.

Ok, strap in ... here we go.

Four blood types of humans are A, B, O, and AB.

In Japan currently some of the best selling books are about blood types (ketsueki-gata. en.wikipedia.org... ) Cultural theorist posit that this is because in a homogenous people other ways of creating subgroups _will_ be found. That and it's fun reading about the supposed personality types of the four blood groups. Lets use this perspective to reexamine the four sun signs.

Jaguar sun: well we know they had a group called Jaguar warriors.
Wind sun: It describes hurricanes, but we also know they had a group called eagle warriors.
Fire sun: It describes raining fire or volcanos.
Water sun: It describes the world ending by a flood.

You're probably thinking "that's pretty thin."

As we're still with the Aztecs, and have the Maya and Olmec ahead of us as we go back through the ages, I can agree with you. But I also hazard to remind the reader that in the Indian world people put great stock in their spirit guides. It would not surprise me if more solid evidence emerges. But before we go Maya, let's look at the day wheel of 20 day signs.

So what about the 20 day signs. Interesting thing that. It's not, technically 20, or at least it's not numbered that way. They are numbered from zero to nineteen (0-19) and at the end of every solar year there are 5 'evil' days. and 19 + 5 = 24. So why all the math?
What mental gymnastics am I up to with history now.
Well I'm glad you asked.

The human Chromosome has 24 pairs.

a Biochemist in the room objects: No there aren't. There are only 23 pairs, 46 total in any human.

Yes, that's true, but each individual human is usually only of one sex. If one includes both sexes and their respective pairs of chromosomes there are 24 pairs. Consider this wiki page for visual evidence.
en.wikipedia.org...

What I'm suggesting is that the original calendar from the Olmecs, or even earlier, was an inner circle of four blood types, with an intermediate circle of 24 chromosome types.

Also within our blood are chromosomes, and within our chromosomes are DNA. Millions of specific types of DNA. Much like the millions of specific dates the calendar system can generate. So that brings us to the center of the stone, or the heart of the matter as it were.

The face of the sun who was lord of heaven, around which took place all daily or periodic phenomena. The crown, nose pendant, ear-rings, and necklace, are most luxurious and are the ornaments proper of this deity. The hair was fair due to the golden appearance of the star; the wrinkles on the face were to show great maturity or age; and the tongue, like an obsidian knife stuck outward indicated the need of being fed with blood and human hearts.

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Well ... that's pretty gruesome.
Why the need for human hearts.

the draining blood represented the cool rains
en.wikipedia.org...

I guess they felt the sun was too hot. But what was the original design. Surely this human sacrifice stuff was some kind of corruption. What could the Olmec's, or their antecedents, have meant. Let's use the scientific blood work we have so far to make a guess.

Outside the ring millions and millions of specific DNA.
Middle ring, 24 chromosome pairs.
Inner ring 4 blood types.

Chromosomes are large than DNA and carry the DNA.
Blood is larger than chromosomes and carries the chromosomes.
So what carries the four blood types and is larger than blood.
That's right. Humans.
But there's something else isn't there. Something of a biological capstone missing from this mountain of understanding. Ladies and gentlemen I give you Homeostasis.

Homeostasis

is the property of a system, either open or closed, that regulates its internal environment and tends to maintain a stable, constant condition.

This is the ability of all warm blooded creatures to internally and automatically adjust their temperature to fit the environment. Unlike reptiles we do not need to sun on rocks or bury ourselves in sand to warm up or cool off. In fact over a period of one day, the human body will acclimate quite well. This is why people who are veteran snow skiers tend to just relax the first day of reaching high altitude. It greatly improves the bodies ability to deal with fatigue. But most important it regulates our core body tempurature at a steady 98.6 degrees F.

Isn't it interesting that the Idea of Homeostasis could be warped into an idea of a too hot sun that had to be cooled off by human hearts.

Well, I'm here to tell you that we don't have to cut out each others hearts to warm up or to cool down. Physical activity or rest can do that. And it's much less bloody.

Oh, and besides that. Did you know that only Mammals and Birds have warm blood? Did I mention the Aztecs were real good with breeding birds.


David Grouchy



Last attempt to get everyone to disagree with these conclusions.

Hopefully I have run everyone off and there is no one left sitting in the lecture hall. But I think I see one or two scientists still out there, so let me end on Religion. That should make for a clean sweep, so I can retain this theory all for myself and no one else will run away with it.

In the four blood types there is an interesting fact about cross breeding them. That fact is that there are only six combinations.

There are three alleles (variations) of the Blood type gene: A, B, and O. Since we all have two copies of these genes in our Blood, there are [color=gold]six possible combinations; AA, BB, OO, AB, AO, and BO. These combinations are referred to as genotypes, and they describe the genes you got from your parents.

And for the last word I leave you with the writings of St John the Divine.
Revelations 4:4 - 4:8


And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

And the four beasts had each of them [color=gold]six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

That's exactly what I'm saying man!

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Hell davidgrouchy and welcome for your excellent paper! I'll have to read a few more times again, but I have a question for you already; if there are 6 blood types, instead of just the 4 we know of, officially, would the remaining two have inbreeding qualities?, as in monarchy?... I'm asking because I have no idea of what blood type does what... sorry.

I guess those 2 missing haven't disappeared like that.

Good work again! Thanks!

S&F!

That was really interesting. I think the 24th chromosome thing may have been a stretch though...

Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
if there are 6 blood types, instead of just the 4 we know of, officially, would the remaining two have inbreeding qualities?, as in monarchy?...

Of the 12 clotting factors in our blood Hemophiliacs only carry 11 missing one. Hemophilia being a classic example of the results of inbreeding. Additionally it is only carried on one chromosome, the X chromosome. Since males have an X and a Y, and females two X's in their pair it will always apear in Male children, but will only show up in girls if it appears in the X from both their parents. This is how Queens were able to carry it but not exhibit the symtoms.


David Grouchy

Originally posted by BobbinHood
That was really interesting. I think the 24th chromosome thing may have been a stretch though...

Great pun. Yes it is something we take for granted in women. Stretchableness. Heh.

No, but seriously. There are 24 pairs known.


David Grouchy

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Pretty novel thinking man. The 20 day calendar cycle gives them a 360 day year, thus the 5 "add on" days of bad luck. Velikovsky theorized that originally the earth had a 360 day year ( not only did the aztecs have a 360 day calendar system but so did Egypt, Sumeria, India, and China) but near misses by other celestial bodies slowed down the earth's orbit to the present 365 1/4 day year.
The only reason the Spanish beat the Aztecs was due to the smallpox virus decimating the population and the alliance of the many tribes who were enemies of the Aztecs banding together against them under the Spaniards.
The slaughter must have been horrific.
There is so much that we don't know about the Aztecs due to the burning of all the books and destruction of temples. Who knows what technologies they might have had and are now lost forever due to the arrogance of the church?
Most of all I thank the Aztecs for the gift of chocolate. Seriously,what better gift has been given to mankind?
Yummmm...

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Well, quite a read The only thing left in my thought of this topic are "Where did they learn it from?" One does not just wake up one day and come up with the strategy and intellectual prowess to just start creating different breeds, regardless of incest's or not.
There is a long discussed debate of the linage's from Neanderthal and cro magnon man, but yet the transition remains a blank titled , no less than , the missing link.
There is a beaming point of light somewhere in all the questions and theories, but there is no way you can convence me that the Aztec's just wondered such detail and complicated practices without some kind of a higher intelligent interference's.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
The 20 day calendar cycle gives them a 360 day year, thus the 5 "add on" days of bad luck.

Ah, yes, errr this is true of the Lunar calendar, not the solar calendar that I describe.

The lunar is 20 x 18 Maya months = 360.
The Solar based on the famous Aztec calendar stone is 20 x 13 = 260.

260 days is also = to the human gestation period.
In english thats the time from conception to delivery.
On Average.
More biotech evidence, wouldn't ya say?


David Grouchy

Originally posted by Allred5923
The only thing left in my thought of this topic are "Where did they learn it from?"

Star for you Allred5923.
That is the question isn't it.
It's those small moments one
realizes that they aren't the only one
asking this question that makes it worth it.


David Grouchy

Ok I'm either not understanding or you are not being coherent enough for me. You are saying that the Aztecs as a people, maybe not all of them, knew about genetics? I mean that is a big stretch. Where are remnants of controlled breedings ( housing, any kind of equipment ) happening? I also don't see how the Bible is helping your conclusions just because there are six wings on each animal described in the passage and you try to link that to blood genotypes.

BTW, OO does not code for anything, it means you lack A and B antigens present in your red blood cells, but a person with that designation does have antibodies towards those antigens and that is why you can only, in the case of a transfusion, give the same type of blood. Otherwise, the host body will reject it.

You are saying that the Aztecs as a people, maybe not all of them, knew about genetics? I mean that is a big stretch. Where are remnants of controlled breedings ( housing, any kind of equipment ) happening?

Wow great question. I didn't think I would be able to cover this here in this thread. Thank you for the opportunity.



The Martyrdom of Cortez and Forgotten American History

When Cortez and the boys got back to Spain they were laughed out of the court.

See there was this precious moment when Cortez and a tiny remnant of his conquistadores were fleeing the middle of the Aztec Captiol, Aztlán, entirely on foot, with a sled full of gold, and under fire from thousands upon thousands of indians both in the city, on the pyramids, on canoes around the city, and waiting on the shores of the causeway. And in the heat and blood of that moment the sled full of gold went into the lake and disappeared into the slim and muck.

So years later when Cortez and Diaz got back to Spain they had zero gold to show for their very long and very expensive campaign. So of course everything they said was a lie, no one believed a word of it, and Bernal Diaz's book was considered fiction. In fact there is evidence that will show you exactly how the spanish court felt about Cortez. Later a series of books was written, a thinly veiled analogy about Cortez, where an old washed up crusader goes about Spain getting free meals by telling the most outrageous lies and ocassionally "Tilting with Windmills" The books were Titled Don Quixote which translated to modern terms means Lord of Romantic Exageration.

And that was the end of it.

Latter when reports about Pizarro, who took Peru, reached Spain they were listened to. For ships brought back gold, and the location of a mountain of silver. This mountain which supplied almost 80% of the silver in the world was worked by the local indians, and they were made to slave in it for generations. So too Spain anything reported about him and his conclusions were true. Additionally they were able to confirm the courts feelings that there was no such thing as a civilized indian, as they had found zero pyramids, and zero forms of writting. Proof positive that Cortez lied. Case closed.


Forgotten American History

America wasn't even born at this time. And as she grew up she looked to her older sisters from Europe and just like everyone else believed that the Indians were incurable savages, had never done anything more than scratch a few shapes on mountains, and never had any writting of any kind. America was the best thing that ever happened to the Indians, and they would do well to never forget it.

We must remember that just because we all _know_ something at this moment doesn't mean that our country always knew it. Infact the release of the real information stunned the nation, made a magazine world famous, and to date is the longest running continuously published rag in history. All forgotten by the modern American reader.

That magazine is National Geographic.

On the cover of one of it's earlier editions is a photo of Machu Picchu. Proof the Indians had built something. This was in the second cetury after America's founding. Almost three centuries after Cortez's disgrace.

Slowly things began to change. People began to realize. History was reexamined. The culmination of this realization can be seen in the Hippy movment of the 60's, how it embrassed the Indians, and how they rejected the common wisdom of their own parents.

All of this history is forgotten these days cause just everybody knows that the indians could write, and had advanced calendar systems.

Actually no. The Aztec capitol was quite effectively made over in Spanish architectural style, the lake of Aztlán filled in, and there were no remains to be discussed in the halls of learning for the longest time.



So when one says ...

Where are remnants of controlled breedings ( housing, any kind of equipment ) happening

I can suggest with the greatest confidence, that every scrap of the reported 26 square miles of Aviaries the Aztecs had were oblitterated.


David Grouchy

Quetzal Butterfly

Forgot to mention the Temple of the Quetzal Butterfly.

Part of Teotihuacan pyramid complex, which was completely overgrown and thought to be a series of hills for the longest time, this temple is the breeding ground for massive Monarch Butterfly populations which used to Migrate to north America for generations. I hear their numbers are greatly diminished now, although as a child I remember taking my brothers and sisters into the back yard at the right season where we would sit in a circle and be very still. Dozens of butterflies would come and land on each one of us as they filled the yard.

I don't know what kind of evidence remains in the Temple, but its mere location being one locus of their migration route must prove something.


David Grouchy

great read david, but i dont realy get the ripping harts out to cool the sun, i aways thout they did that for religes and for good crops or seasons

Can you cite something that talked about the aviaries?

Originally posted by scott,aussie
great read david, but i dont realy get the ripping harts out to cool the sun, i aways thout they did that for religes and for good crops or seasons

Yes.
An angry sun would burn up all the crops and cause drought.

But keep the sun on a steady diet of human hearts and
like a drug dealer the High Priest now has control over his client.

This is a horrible perversion of a natural biological function of the human circulatory system, called homeostasis. This reasoning is equivalent to Montey Pythons "If she weighs as much as a duck ... burn her."


David Grouchy

Originally posted by gsup1
Can you cite something that talked about the aviaries?

I can find nothing on the Net about this. And I've been looking for years. The lybrary is close right now where I am. So are you gonna be here in a week when I've done all the leg work and found the specific book and publisher to reference. I would be disappointed if you wern't here to recieve it.


David Grouchy

s+f

wouldn't surprise me about the breedings.

true or not, that was a stark contrast about 2 cultures.

pretty amazing the spanish were not wiped out as soon as they walked on dry land.

as to the sacrifices, i wasn't there. it is as it was. filtered through spanish christian eyes and victory.

Give me the name of the book and I'll find it myself.

Very interesting thread.

The part about them raising and breeding birds reminded me of what I read once.

They would use those brightly colored feathers to make huge pennants that would literally float over their city. Being as the feathers were so light, any flow of air would make them seem like they were floating. I would have loved to see that.