Global Warming is not only NOT a hoax, but it is about 10,000 times worst than your worst nightmare.

Can anyone actually post a graph of average global temperatures for last 10 years?
Yes?
What is happening in last 10 years?
Temperatures are dropping


upload.wikimedia.org...

this thread is such a non-sense.

Like everything, the Earth goes through cycles. It experienced a very warm climate during the age of the dinosaurs, than an ice age that killed almost everything, now it's in a state of warming up again. The Earth was here before us, it will be here after us, stop believing humans are so significant.

arent they stating to fit coal plants with allge in water that they buble teh co2 through and it converts it into methane or something? there was some news about it a bit ago. Theres just to much fear mongering. Youd almost think all these alarmist WANT the world to end.

stop being ignroant alarmist douche bags who only think the world is out to abuse them because thats what they do to all the people they know.

You miss the point. Man made global warming is a FRAUD because the SUN, you know that little ball of fire in the sky, over powers what we do here on Earth. That's why Mars lost a lot of it's ice at the poles. Do we have lots of SUVs on Mars? LOL

Man made global warming was found to be a fraud via the Climate Gate emails which proved that the scientists lied about the data. You might want to google "climategate" because obviously you never mention the fraud of the people doing the "science". In fact, the Earth has been in a cooling trend for the last 10 years and they tried to hide this fact. Yes, some areas got hotter, but the AVERAGE for the entire Earth was colder.

The entire global warming scam and the carbon tax fraud that Obama's new world order masters want was just a way for Al Gore and his cronies to tax the very air that we breathe. It's not going to fix anything because China will continue to belch out their coal fired plants while America's coal industry is destroyed. The new world order has admitted that the global warming scam was to de-industrialize the West. That was their plan with the carbon tax.

Now that the Global warming was proved as a scam, they've changed from saying "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" so that way they can be right either way. Now they will say "See I told you the climate was changing!". No doubt it's changing! The Earth's climate is ALWAYS changing and always will.

I don't know what planet you are living on, but on mine, the Gulf stream has STOPPED and Europe and Russia are reporting record cold temperatures already this year. If we continue to get these volcanos popping off all around the planet, you will be begging for some Global Warming because we'll have an ice age on our hands which looks like where we are headed. Just one major volcano can push temperatures down and cause a mini ice age. My bet is on that before we boil away the oceans.

You need to stop listening to Al Gore and the rest of his new world order minions. Everybody is for reduced pollution The US Government is directly responsible for all this pollution since we've had zero pollution Tesla free energy in our black world since the 50's! This is the big lie that you aren't talking about. The US has the ability to be the world leader in Tesla zero point energy. We could run ALL our houses, factories and cars using this technology that is 100 years old and have ZERO pollution. We could use this technology to green all the deserts and make unlimited water and go explore the stars. That's the true reality of what is going on.

We've had our future stolen by the US government that has kept us on this bogus oil economy we haven't needed for 50 years. They've kept the Tesla technology for themselves and they use it in their underground bases and black projects. WE know this from the hundreds of whistle blowers that have come forward. Our own CIA just recently stopped Steven Greer's Orion project's attempt for civilian use of the Tesla technology also. You can hear about that by searching for it on Youtube. It really gets you mad when you hear about our CIA stopping the most important work on the planet that would stop all pollution! But that is the world we live in. It's time to grow up, stop parroting back Al Gore Propaganda and realize that we've had Tesla zero point Energy WORKING since the 50's! When you realize this fact, then you will stop falling into the new world order's trap of FAKE energy shortages and that we must use CFL light bulbs LOL

You seem like a smart guy. Go research Tesla zero point energy and start telling everybody you can about it. It's REAL. Also research John Searle's work. He's created something very similar and has tried to get funding from governments for 50 years but of course they won't give him money because we have a mafia government that is tied to big oil.

peace



Wake up and start talking about the reality of Tesla Zero Point Energy instead of talking about shutting down our Economy so Al Gore can make money with his carbon trading SCAMs! It's a total FRAUD! Bring out the Tesla Zero Point Energy NOW!

Originally posted by FIFIGI
Can anyone actually post a graph of average global temperatures for last 10 years?
Yes?
What is happening in last 10 years?
Temperatures are dropping

upload.wikimedia.org...

this thread is such a non-sense.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f94fc4f6f09f.gif[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b1e718bbaf94.gif[/atsimg]


So many mouths, stuffed with feet, everywhere...

Originally posted by melatonin
Of course, the thinking person would also know that while China is now the overall highest source of carbon emissions, it is closely followed by the USA. While in third, India emits not far off only a quarter of the amount emitted by the USA and China.

Of course, the thinking person looks beyond the raw emission data and sees that, per capita, the USA (and most western industrial nations) far outdo both China and India.

Indeed. The thinking person would also probably move past some ignorant prejudice stereotype they have of all those "damn dirty foreigners" and understand that China is actually leading the clean energy revolution:

China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

reply to post by melatonin


Notice he also wrote in his response to you:

Not sure why my post deserves a 'lol'. After about 1400ppm the warming effect is so infinitesimal

And then he has the stones to try and weasel out of it by telling me I dreamt it up. Here's something else I just dreamt up in photoshop:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1cdc1740c6d5.jpg[/atsimg]

I've met my fair share of delusional deniers before, but this one is quite the specimen. First ballot hall of shame material for sure.

Originally posted by The_Liberator

Originally posted by felixq78
reply to post by unityemissions

 

If you really want us to take your claims seriously don't show us somebody else's video. SHOW US YOUR RESEARCH.
Nearly all of the scientific community?
If you expect us to take your claims seriously DO NOT distort the facts. The scientific community is fairly divided.
What most people reject isn't the fact that the whole solar system is being warmed up, nor the many problems that humanity has caused resulting in our poisoning of the biosphere. WE KNOW THE BIOSPHERE IS STUFFED!
What many reject is the cure that is being proposed. A GLOBAL CARBON TAX will not fix the problems.
The very same people who propose this tax are aware of the hidden technology that exists and they know that if this technology was exposed to the world we could fix the problems within 5 years, not completely but it would claw us back from the tipping point. Coal and oil MUST GO but they refuse to deal with it and instead claim that this bull# carbon tax will save us, it won't it will destroy economies.

here is my research. (once again....)

This was going to be my original post...

I have been reading ATS for a few months and this is my first post (or thread or whatever you call it). I decided to post it because I feel that you, as open minded people, have a right to know the truth about what is going on regarding global warming. Plus I’m tired of the posts on here that claim global warming is some kind of hoax.

It’s not simply that global warming is worse than you think…rather global warming is about 10,000 times worst than you think.


This post will probably be uber-disturbing to many of you, so if you aren’t a fan of horror movies, or if you are someone who doesn’t enjoy being terrified to the point that you practically soil your pants, I would suggest moving on to another thread and not reading any further.

For those brave souls remaining, here goes….

Before I get started, I ask that you give me about 10 minutes of your time. I realize that is a lot of time to spend on a single thread, but considering the magnitude of what I am talking about, 10 minutes is nothing.

Each link that I am about to present is mercifully brief (the one video I present is about 3 minutes long, and the rest are no more than a few short paragraphs).

I have put quite a lot of thought into this post as I realize I have one shot at convincing you monkeys (myself included) of the dire reality of the situation.

Before I go into just how ridiculously dire our situation is, let us first establish the fact that global warming is real, and not a hoax as many on this board appear to believe.

Exhibit number 1:

(paraphrase of following article) 97 percent of climate scientists say that global warming is real and is a direct result of carbon dioxide (CO2) emitted by man. The 3 percent that do not subscribe to this theory are far less qualified and included people like Richard Lindzen (google his name to see how he has been proven time and again to be a lying sociopath).

content.usatoday.com...

Exhibit number 2:

The Arctic is melting. 2010 had the 3rd lowest sea ice area but the LOWEST VOLUME EVER RECORDED.

www.youtube.com...

Exhibit number 3.

THIS IS THE BIG KAHUNA PEOPLE!!

The East Siberian Arctic Shelf, which was previously considered an impermeable cap to VAST amounts of methane is melting and is venting untold amounts of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is 20-70 percent more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2, depending on the time frame (because it degrades to become CO2 after a few years, depending on its concentration). According to researchers, so much methane is stored in the East Siberian Arctic shelf, that if only 1 PERCENT were to be released, it would cause

climateprogress.org...“catastrophic” warming, practically overnight.

That’s right, IT IS MELTHING NOW PEOPLE…..

Exhibit number 4:

2010 is the hottest year ever so far, with the past decade being the hottest on recorded record, followed by the 90’s, and with the 80’s coming in third place. Russian officials used to joke about global warming…until this last summer when they hit the highest temps ever recorded which started historic fires.
I realize that I only have your attention for another minute or 2, so I would like to

The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is also melting…. as is Greenland, and so far the warming of our planet has surpassed the worst-case scenario put forth by the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) just a few years ago. (remember that Antactica and Greenland are land masses with ice on TOP of them so if they melt, sea level will rise by METERS!!!)


Exhibit number 5:

Ocean acidification is considered the “evil twin” of global warming. CO2 dissolves in sea water to become carbonic acid which is slowly making the ocean inhospitable for the vast majority of marine life. Don’t believe me….then see exhibit number 6.

www.sciencedaily.com...

Exhibit number 6:

Phytoplankton in the worlds oceans have declined by FORTY PERCENT because of global warming and ocean acidification. Phytoplankton is the base of the food chain and if it disappears, we all go extinct.

www.csmonitor.com...

I could go on and on but I’ll leave it at that. If you want more, go here and click around: climateprogress.org...

We have already warmed about a degree since the start of the industrial age, and experts say that anything above 2 degrees would make the earth inhospitable for life as we know it (not to mention Greenland and Antarctica would melt completely meaning bye-bye Miami)

Bottom line….global warming is real, is far more serious than even the worst case scenario projected just a few years ago, and is happening FAR faster than even the most dire predictions. What’s worst…. there is simply nothing we can do at this point to stop it.

In fact, if we were to stop all emissions tomorrow, temps would actually shoot up. Why? Because along with CO2, we are also emitting tiny particles (the ones that form smog) that hover in the atmoshphere and slightly dim out sunlight (it is known as global dimming). This has a cooling effect which has helped to counter the heating effect of CO2.

This means that if we stopped all emissions, CO2 would remain constant while the cooling effect of global dimming would disappear shooting the temperature up worldwide OVERNIGHT.

It is a conundrum for which there is no answer.

Enjoy life while you can.

Hi Lib,
The East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a relatively new area of research, from around 2003 I think. Previous to that the research ended at the shallow sea. That has to be taken into account as the research results are not longtime observations, but new findings from 2003 to 2008. They were done at a time when the seasonal sea ice melt was on the increase, although this last few years that volume of melt has decreased. In fact the study was very low key and the researchers felt that a much bigger experiment is/was needed. They made no predictions based on their results. I will look for the pdf file.

yikes! I thought page 25 reached a new low in self-imposed sheltered ignorance, but the top of page 26 is certainly making a strong push.

These are always interesting discussions! Truth is the Planet has it´s own natural cycle, and we can do nothing about that! Now, even if it´s our actions that are accelarating the process, it seems that nothing can be done to stop this natural process. Maybe it can be delayed by Geo-Engineering and Weather Control (HAARP), but that will also have bad consequences! At this point there aren´t really any solutions, just because this is the Planet´s cycle, and we can only expect that with the current technology it´s possible to find a way to still go on when the sh*t goes down! Also, it would have been wise to have implemented preventive measures a long time ago , but instead TPTB chose the path of greed and we all know where that leads...

Let´s just hope for the best!

Originally posted by mc_squared
reply to post by melatonin

 

Notice he also wrote in his response to you:

Not sure why my post deserves a 'lol'. After about 1400ppm the warming effect is so infinitesimal

And then he has the stones to try and weasel out of it by telling me I dreamt it up. Here's something else I just dreamt up in photoshop:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1cdc1740c6d5.jpg[/atsimg]

I've met my fair share of delusional deniers before, but this one is quite the specimen. First ballot hall of shame material for sure.

'With' 'your' 'own' 'petard' 'hoist' comes to mind.

Nice find. Pity I didn't even read his reply to me. I guess that little tete-a-tete was a BOGOF of denialist ignorance with a side-order of dishonesty.

Originally posted by mc_squared
yikes! I thought page 25 reached a new low in self-imposed sheltered ignorance, but the top of page 26 is certainly making a strong push.

It's a bit like a kafkaesque groundhog-day version of whack-a-mole.

The evolution forum is much the same.

Originally posted by jdub297

Are you willfully distorting the truth, or do you just not know?

Even the leading scientist at East Anglia/CRU, Phil Jones, admits that the science is NOT settled, and that climate science is FAR from accurate.

When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

I think you are willfully distorting the truth. If you actually read the link you provided showing an interview with this professor he says that global warming is most definitely man-made.

reply to post by melatonin


is this guy wrong?
here is the conclusion of this article. It's surprisingly hard to find any temperature data to include the last 10,000 years. Why is that? Is it that the GW parrots are afraid of seeing the data that might question their religion...I mean science?

Conclusion Although the menace of "global cooling" has abated, the last 25 years have not seen any moderation in the tendency of the media to focus on the bizarre, the unusual and the speculative in relation to climate science. The geological evidence demonstrating that 20th-century warming is nothing unusual has been ignored, while hysteria over "global warming" has been pushed relentlessly. With important policy decisions depending on an informed public, this is journalistic negligence.

David Deming is an Associate Professor of Geology and Geophysics at the University of Oklahoma.

then there is this site. I just get so confused. It seems if I only look for Pro GW sites, I can find all kinds of graphs and things to show beyond any doubt that we are all doomed, yet when I search for science data for global mean temperatures, I find things that show a completely different picture. Why is that? Ahh, it must be that all those scientists that you people claim are ignorant have found out about the secret WWW or World Wide Web and are cleverly trying to poison the minds of our youth by showing them FACTS! FACTS! They should be hung.

To start with this whole Hoax started so long agao where we were told the oceans will rise. Apartf rom the regular king tides where I have fished for years the tidal lines have not altered at all.

So 10,000x worse emans I'd be under water by now. And please don't use that one pacific island thats sinking, even my kids can work out it's sinking as no ohter islands are = nNO rise in ocean levels.

How come our summers are cooler than when I was a kid? I coulnd't walk on the white sand beaches they were so damn hot as a kid, yet now with softer feet... nothing, hrdly warm.

Get a life, and stop believeing all you read, just stick your nose outside, go a walk or something and observe. Nothing has, or will happen in any dramatic scale.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by melatonin

 

is this guy wrong?

Well, he's a deceptive denialist. So he'll say anything he can to spread the fog of doubt and ignorance. Seems to work on some. It did for tobacco pretty effectively - several decades before the science was accepted sufficiently to overcome the industrial and ideological smoke and mirrors. Lets take one of his more recent comments:

But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed, it is now officially over.

...

These cold weather events were not abnormal or isolated incidents. Global measures of climatic conditions indicate significant cooling.

dinky-link

This was in late 2008. You can see Spencer's current UAH data here, and it is obvious that his game is to simply ride the minima in the noisy short-term trends. So for two years temps dropped, for the next two they rose to what might well be the highest for the last 30 years of the satellite record. And they'll probably drop a bit after that and rise after etc etc.

Like most of the verbiage from these types, it's just noise. The long-term trend is what is relevant, and that is simply upwards.

His game is obvious, and not unexpected with him being associated with right-wing think-tanks and petrogeology. It's up to you whether you're a willing dupe.

Cheers.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by melatonin

 

is this guy wrong?
here is the conclusion of this article. It's surprisingly hard to find any temperature data to include the last 10,000 years. Why is that? Is it that the GW parrots are afraid of seeing the data that might question their religion...I mean science?

Conclusion Although the menace of "global cooling" has abated, the last 25 years have not seen any moderation in the tendency of the media to focus on the bizarre, the unusual and the speculative in relation to climate science. The geological evidence demonstrating that 20th-century warming is nothing unusual has been ignored, while hysteria over "global warming" has been pushed relentlessly. With important policy decisions depending on an informed public, this is journalistic negligence.

David Deming is an Associate Professor of Geology and Geophysics at the University of Oklahoma.

then there is this site. I just get so confused. It seems if I only look for Pro GW sites, I can find all kinds of graphs and things to show beyond any doubt that we are all doomed, yet when I search for science data for global mean temperatures, I find things that show a completely different picture. Why is that? Ahh, it must be that all those scientists that you people claim are ignorant have found out about the secret WWW or World Wide Web and are cleverly trying to poison the minds of our youth by showing them FACTS! FACTS! They should be hung.

edit on 4-11-2010 by network dude because: (no reason given)

Hi Net,
My guess, is that the jury is still as much out in the scientific community as regards AGW, as is the rest of us. Some think it is actually methane that has been leaking for yonks, and that is has just not been noticed, some think it is CO2 as in AGW alone, (forget the methane that has been leaking for yonks) some think it is by geothermal heating of the oceans, (so it's got to happen sometime) others will say look at 65 million years of a dynamic planet...remember the Dinos and all the theories about them? BTW, don't breathe so much either, just joking, it's okay to breathe, that's natural...makes you wonder why Dan Millar wants depopulation though.

I always carefully read the arguments from both sides in these threads, and have for years. As I'm not a geologist, climatologist, or meteorologist, I have to be skeptical of claims people make about being "bona-fide experts," and go with the facts presented. Following that logic, what I always come back to (and I could most assuredly be wrong, mind you,) is this:

It is possible that anthropogenic climate change is happening. It is also possible that natural, non-man-made climate change is happening. The evidence for both is significant. The so-called "greenhouse effect" has been extensively studied and documented. However, recent studies indicate that the release of "greenhouse" gasses have historically followed global temperature increases in Earth's past, rather than preceeding them. Therefore the proof of either hypothesis - natural or man-made - is sufficiently lacking that I cannot state categorically - at least by my standards of proof - which is the case.

What I believe we can state is this: climate change in association with the rising average temperature of the planet, leading to the venting of further greenhouse gasses from permafrost and even, eventually, the oceans themselves, does appear to be happening.

So my point has been and remains: Does it matter what's causing it? We still have to live with it. We still have to deal with whatever challenges it poses, both to us, and ecologically. We still have to concern ourselves with adapting to these changes in the future, which seem increasingly likely. While we all debate endlessly whether it's man-made, whether saying it's man-made is just a scheme to institute a carbon tax (which is quite possible in my opinion, though that too I am not yet fully convinced of,) or whether it's a natural process (note that natural does not necessarily mean harmless; killer asteroids are natural, too, but we'd be trying to prevent one from hitting us if we found out today that one was on its way,) a process - natural or not - of climate change which will affect our grand children’s way of life at least appears to be unfolding.

I think we should at the very least be working to make our societies liveable in that future, regardless of whether that future is man-made or not. If we can look into the future, and foresee a time when - even just potentially - our children and grand-children can't live in some of our greatest cities because rising waters have claimed them, global weather pattern changes threaten the global food supply, and more extreme weather cause billions in damage not every few years or during hurricane season, but routinely, does it really matter whether humanity is causing it or not? We have to deal with it either way... don't we? But in my experience, people would prefer to bicker than act.

Just my two cents. Peace.

Originally posted by monkey_descendant
reply to post by network dude

 

Who says environmentalists only care about the environment? We need the environment for the people, for civilization, so that we can have our families and our friends. If we share the information maybe we can come up with some sort of solution or way to survive even if with current technology it's too late it doesn't mean we can't still come up with some solution. If people couldn't come up with solutions we wouldn't have any of the technologies we have now.

if "fanatics run around with a the sky is falling; holier than thou:"I 'm dealing with complete idiots. attitude after watching a carefully compiled media presentation biased for the scariest end effect you aren't going to change many minds.

Fact is the costs of some of the proposed plans are massive the returns are minimal.Thought I saw a statement if we shut civilization down entirely 100% we would not reduce the instability .

You want a phd? here'tis :

First to speak was Princeton University’s Michael Oppenheimer. Professor Oppenheimer outlined the basics of the science of climate change, indicating the undeniable facts and placing the uncertainties within the context of incontrovertible understanding. Oppenheimer spent time explaining his presentation’s most striking graph, which was taken from a January 2009 article by NOAA scientist Susan Solomon and colleagues in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).
The graph shows how long carbon dioxide (CO2) will remain in the atmosphere and the corresponding temperature increases if all emissions of CO2 were shut off instantaneously. Even if emissions were shut off now, we’re in for a millennium of warming. Warming is occurring and will continue – that’s unpreventable. The choice before us is to act to prevent a large alteration to the climate system.


blogs.agu.org...

Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by melatonin

 

is this guy wrong?

Well, he's a deceptive denialist. So he'll say anything he can to spread the fog of doubt and ignorance. Seems to work on some. It did for tobacco pretty effectively - several decades before the science was accepted sufficiently to overcome the industrial and ideological smoke and mirrors. Lets take one of his more recent comments:

But the last two years of global cooling have nearly erased 30 years of temperature increases. To the extent that global warming ever existed, it is now officially over.

...

These cold weather events were not abnormal or isolated incidents. Global measures of climatic conditions indicate significant cooling.

dinky-link

This was in late 2008. You can see Spencer's current UAH data here, and it is obvious that his game is to simply ride the minima in the noisy short-term trends. So for two years temps dropped, for the next two they rose to what might well be the highest for the last 30 years. And they'll probably drop a bit after that.

Like most of the verbiage from these types, it's just noise. The long-term trend is what is relevant, and that is simply upwards.

His game is obvious, and not unexpected with him being associated with right-wing think-tanks and petrogeology. It's up to you whether you're a willing dupe.

Cheers.

What's the long-term trend? 100yrs,1000yrs, to infinity perhaps. How can you record a global average in reality? it can't be done as the infrastructure is either, not there or incomplete.

Originally posted by smurfy
What's the long-term trend? 100yrs,1000yrs, to infinity perhaps. How can you record a global average in reality? it can't be done as the infrastructure is either, not there or incomplete.

Same way you can record a global average of the height, weight, and shoe size of men and women. Basic statistics. I don't need to sample every person's characteristics to determine that males tend to be heavier, taller, and have bigger feet than females. Similarly, we don't need to measure temperature in every meter of the Earth's surface to understand the Earth has been warming for several decades.

For a long-term climate trend, we want to look 30 years+.

Responding to something you said earlier 'jury still out on AGW' - that's pretty much way off.

A recent poll showed that 82% of US Earth Scientists (covering all fields and employment) and 97% of working climate researchers accept that main points of faux contention (that humans have contributed significantly to warming). Every major scientific association accepts these basic points, including the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (who were the last). Where your false perception derives is likely the false balance represented outside of science (e.g., many noisy 'contrarian'/denier talking-heads in the media giving a perception of some sort of debate).

But, honestly, whatever.