Thats IT ! Its Time to Put Up or Shut Up. The last Stand.

This is sort off topic but it is something that does need clearing up. The Flat earth thing.... It was only a small percentage of people in Northern and Mediterranean Europe thought it was flat and only for a period of about 250 years. It was one of those thing decided on by the catholic church as a doctrine but, in truth totally ignored by most of the populace. if you have a dig around you should be able to find the name of the Bishop who entered the Flat earth idea into the doctrine.

It's become one of those modern myths.

The truly wonderful Qi fronted by Stephen Fry..

second line.

Here's two more videos:






Second one is pretty weird.

Also to add, the second video "Alien" looks like the Colorado peeper alien:

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hey josh,going back to the bermuda triangle being 3 ,2 inch beams ,well this is a little of what happens when u hit it.www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by FireMoon
This is sort off topic but it is something that does need clearing up. The Flat earth thing.... It was only a small percentage of people in Northern and Mediterranean Europe thought it was flat and only for a period of about 250 years. It was one of those thing decided on by the catholic church as a doctrine but, in truth totally ignored by most of the populace. if you have a dig around you should be able to find the name of the Bishop who entered the Flat earth idea into the doctrine.

It's become one of those modern myths.

Thanks for the clarification. Substitute your favorite, archaic, widely held, currently-laughable belief.

Originally posted by Clisen33
Here's two more videos:

Second one is pretty weird.

Also to add, the second video "Alien" looks like the Colorado peeper alien:

edit on 4-11-2010 by Clisen33 because: (no reason given)

Becuase the windows are not windows at all it shows who one of the camera or picture crew really is.
Thats the purpose of the glasses that they sometimes wear there not just glasses they can see what somthing really is.
the windows is reflecting some one in front of them who is real alien.

reply to post by cdesigns
For some people like you until the goverment doesnt go on TV and say Alien and UFO exist you will never believe, but proof does exist. But because the goverment says it doesnt exist, everyone talking about it is classified as a crazy person.

I believe because of my experiences, so I must be a crazy person.

When it comes to the saucers they have the right to say no,it never exsisted,because it never has,only the triangle has ruled the skys of earth as a ufo.

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planet Zeeboo,
and where is planet zeeboo?

There are mountains of clear evidence.To name one mountain,hundreds of career military people have sworn that they were witness to the roswell craft and aliens.We are not talking one or two people,hundreds of people who chose to protect our country for a career swear they saw the craft and bodies.That alone ends the discussion have we been visited.To name another mountain is the abduction situation.Here we have millions of abductees from around the world all reporting the exact same situations.They report greys with needles...With the economy being so poor,im sure sooner or later an abductee will turn up at some scrapyard trying to scrap an alien craft for beer money

Originally posted by brindle
There are mountains of clear evidence.To name one mountain,hundreds of career military people have sworn that they were witness to the roswell craft and aliens.We are not talking one or two people,hundreds of people who chose to protect our country for a career swear they saw the craft and bodies.That alone ends the discussion have we been visited.To name another mountain is the abduction situation.Here we have millions of abductees from around the world all reporting the exact same situations.They report greys with needles...With the economy being so poor,im sure sooner or later an abductee will turn up at some scrapyard trying to scrap an alien craft for beer money

Its 2 events that i wish never happened
1. the kennoth Arnold event.
2.Roswell.
I wonder if those 2 events woudnt of happened,i wonder whos immagination in the time of life
wouldnt of witnessed a so called ufo or so called was abducted woudnt of happened.
It seemed that after thosse 2 events happened,suddenly 3.5billion humans start seeing a ufo or claimed to be abducted at an alarming rate.

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the perfect triangle

Originally posted by brindle
There are mountains of clear evidence.To name one mountain,hundreds of career military people have sworn that they were witness to the roswell craft and aliens.We are not talking one or two people,hundreds of people who chose to protect our country for a career swear they saw the craft and bodies.

Those same people will also declare that God is real. So by yours and others standards..God is real, also I was unaware there were hundreds of military personel coming forward...or are you just making that number up... for effect.

To name another mountain is the abduction situation.Here we have millions of abductees from around the world all reporting the exact same situations.They report greys with needles.

When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

www.nimh.nih.gov...

And this is just in America...imagine worldwide...so your argument is useless. We have no idea if these people claiming to be abducted are telling the truth...had a vivid dream or are mentally ill. It could be true...but the lack of evidence (imagine 0% evidence) tells us that this is highly unlikely.


And this video...


the believers are only looking at that one particular particle...but if you watch the other particles...they also move in the same direction at the same time...mind you it's not as dramatic but it still happens. Besides the one with arrows..the other ones on the right side of the video also move.

The premise of this thread is flawed. The putting up or shutting up will come at one of two times, and only one of these two times. Either human kind will bump into a neighbor race at some point, and the believers will be somewhat vindicated (although not all of them will be happy, Im sure the hippy "Aliens are Gods" crew will be mortified if it turns out the neighbors know all about drink drugs and gun crime as well ), or the universe will end, or the species will end without us having met anyone or anything else out there, and the skeptics last word will be " I told you so".... Although that wont be the end of it, because in a space as big as the universe, whos to say what the lack of meeting might mean. Perhaps we just missed eachother BLAH BLAH the argument goes on.

All I will say on the issue is, proof at this point is not an acceptable benchmark. There are two many biased and powerful parties in play at this time, for the waters to be clear enough to prove that up isnt down, and that black isnt white.
The only acceptable way forward, rather than making demands and posturing, and territorial phallus waving of that nature , would be to have ALL of us, skeptics, believers, fence sitters actualy go out, and really LOOK at everything and anything, for an answer, for enlightenment, for the greater good. Just get the hell out from behind your desk, and go outdoors, and LOOK for yourself. Dont ask for proof from a believer, and never ask for proof from a skeptic, because they think you cant prove a negative. Just get out there and work together instead of having the debate. The debate is waste, only learning is an efficient use of our time.

Originally posted by TheLegend
The premise of this thread is flawed. The putting up or shutting up will come at one of two times, and only one of these two times. Either human kind will bump into a neighbor race at some point, and the believers will be somewhat vindicated (although not all of them will be happy, Im sure the hippy "Aliens are Gods" crew will be mortified if it turns out the neighbors know all about drink drugs and gun crime as well ), or the universe will end, or the species will end without us having met anyone or anything else out there, and the skeptics last word will be " I told you so".... Although that wont be the end of it, because in a space as big as the universe, whos to say what the lack of meeting might mean. Perhaps we just missed eachother BLAH BLAH the argument goes on.

All I will say on the issue is, proof at this point is not an acceptable benchmark. There are two many biased and powerful parties in play at this time, for the waters to be clear enough to prove that up isnt down, and that black isnt white.
The only acceptable way forward, rather than making demands and posturing, and territorial phallus waving of that nature , would be to have ALL of us, skeptics, believers, fence sitters actualy go out, and really LOOK at everything and anything, for an answer, for enlightenment, for the greater good. Just get the hell out from behind your desk, and go outdoors, and LOOK for yourself. Dont ask for proof from a believer, and never ask for proof from a skeptic, because they think you cant prove a negative. Just get out there and work together instead of having the debate. The debate is waste, only learning is an efficient use of our time.

Who is to say we haven't already 'bumped' into them? There's plenty of astronauts that verify on their lives that they have had encounters before & that the "UFO phenomena is real" as Cooper stated.

Very excellent point in the last paragraph. People need to research on their own. What would truly be more disturbing than if there were aliens...is if there were no aliens.

There is also far too much anomalous structures & videos for it all to be ignored. Imo it's wrong to wait for the president to make an announcement... instead we should listen to the people like astronauts who are obviously more reliable & knowledgeable on the subject as well as seek coming to an answer individually with research and investigation.

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Well? Lets start from the beginning since we are on the topic. Let's REALLY get to the bottom of things. Where did the idea of aliens even begin? Where is it's origin?

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Ancient man, about 12,000 years ago.

That's the earliest cave depictions of astronaut-like men, anyway.

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So your saying like the information the believers have is more like a legend passed down from generations or picked up from those who spoke about it?

Consider that if the universe is "100% infinite" which means "infinite possibilities", that means that anything, and I mean ANYTHING not only can but DOES exist. Think about this for a moment. People are arguing the existence of God, Aliens, the afterlife. If the universe is infinite and infinite possibilities, that means that SOMEWHERE there are SENTIENT CARROTS. Yes CARROTS. Sentient vegetables! And somewhere sentient carrots and rutabagas and some other lifeforms that we cannot even imagine are having arguments on their "forums" about whether or not bipedal carbon-based meatbags could possibly live somewhere on the other side of their universe, or if they could be secretly visiting them.

I for one, welcome our carrot overlords.